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AR 10 VS M1A EBR

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will post some real world experiences for you. </div></div>
Post your real world M14 exp. I'm all ears, please give, Unit, Dates, an Mates.

By the way an FYI for <span style="font-weight: bold">You</span>,(google must have misinformed you) the AR10 preceded the AR15/M16. Do you also know Nato ammo that the M14 was designed for is about 10k psi less than std .308 win, an the 10 was designed for .308 win. How about you put your M1A up, running 175FGMM (which is 10Kpsi over design)against your AR10 running 175SMK's at 10K psi over, and run them both until failure. By the way, that test has already been done more than once, and if <span style="font-weight: bold">Y-O-U</span> would like to know where the 10 failed first both times,(same place) I'd suggest <span style="font-weight: bold">You</span> sharpen up your google-fu or get invited to <span style="font-weight: bold">Testing,</span> when an where it happens.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deltablack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most of those are complaints about the EBR system rather than the M14 </div></div> Really, his word's were.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like I said, I get in AR10 vs. M14 discussions at least 3 times a year..</div></div>
He kicked that dog, while beating his chest in the ring. The crowd is here, and the fan boys on both sides seem to want to dance, lets see how it all shakes out?

I'm just an old fuck that played with the M14 family once or maybe twice long ago. Hell he's a big weapons tester/expert, shit I'd not miss this for anything. What little exp I have on the playing field with 14's means shit next to such a stellar beacon this National Asset is.
 
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There are also some differences between M14s and commercial M1As and equivalent (the majority having cast receivers, but even the LRB doesn't have a disconnector rod to keep the op rod "Nub" in the receiver groove).
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deltablack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most of those are complaints about the EBR system rather than the M14 </div></div>

I don't see how they are different. EBR 'system' is just a different stock that tries to make up for a lot of the rifles' shortcomings ie, adjustable length of pull, scope mounting...
 
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They are specific complaints about the EBR stock. Example the Troy MCS allows the M14 to be cleaned without removing the optic from the rifle. They also had complaints about a flimsy butt stock, and pistol grip. These aren't issues with the M14 itself.
 
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The only thing a 14 an 10 have in common from the drawing board is they are gas'ers, mag fed, shoulder fired weapons, both were designed as user selectable for semi an full auto. Both were designed for ammo that had a 10K psi difference, even though they both shoot 7.62. One has had over 50 years of refinement, one has not.
Is a GAU-8 the same as a M-134?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will post some real world experiences for you. </div></div>
Post your real world M14 exp. I'm all ears, please give, Unit, Dates, an Mates.

By the way an FYI for <span style="font-weight: bold">You</span>,(google must have misinformed you) the AR10 preceded the AR15/M16. Do you also know Nato ammo that the M14 was designed for is about 10k psi less than std .308 win, an the 10 was designed for .308 win. How about you put your M1A up, running 175FGMM (which is 10Kpsi over design)against your AR10 running 175SMK's at 10K psi over, and run them both until failure. By the way, that test has already been done more than once, and if <span style="font-weight: bold">Y-O-U</span> would like to know where the 10 failed first both times,(same place) I'd suggest <span style="font-weight: bold">You</span> sharpen up your google-fu or get invited to <span style="font-weight: bold">Testing,</span> when an where it happens.
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Now that I have cleaned up my coffee. I will play along. In my own tests I see the AR10 break bolt stops. I respect and commend you for all you have done for our country. Your experience is far beyound what most any ten folks combined on here have.

I have busted more than one of both types of rifle and have the scars to prove it.

When it comes to down in dirt just fng has to shoot every time I go with M14 over AR10.

When it comes to sniper use I go AR10 over M14

When its for CQB I think I will go AR15/M16 and have it in 6.8SPC II. Lighter, hits freakin hard and as dependable as any rifle I have used
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now that I have cleaned up my coffee. I will play along. In my own tests I see the AR10 break bolt stops. I respect and commend you for all you have done for our country. Your experience is far beyound what most any ten folks combined on here have.

I have busted more than one of both types of rifle and have the scars to prove it.

When it comes to down in dirt just fng has to shoot every time I go with M14 over AR10.

When it comes to sniper use I go AR10 over M14

When its for CQB I think I will go AR15/M16 and have it in 6.8SPC II. Lighter, hits freakin hard and as dependable as any rifle I have used </div></div>

Thanks, I appreciate useful info like this. Have you run into feeding issues in the AR10?
 
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Mike,
I've done nothing compared to many on this site. You, sinister, Huskey an many, many, more have done far more than I ever have for this country.
M14's took me there an brought be back, from many a fun place. The M14 family of weapons that uncle issued never once let me down, no matter the A/O or what mother throw-ed at us. They rocked on an still shot, when early present day designs were being used as clubs right beside me. Even the first pigs(M-60's)had issue, an the E-2's were pushed into doing their job by default. The M14e2's stepped up an never missed a beat, not bad for a half asses design in my book.

Kenneth
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mike,
I've done nothing compared to many on this site. You, sinister, Huskey an many, many, more have done far more than I ever have for this country.
M14's took me there an brought be back, from many a fun place. The M14 family of weapons that uncle issued never once let me down, no matter the A/O or what mother throw-ed at us. They rocked on an still shot, when early present day designs were being used as clubs right beside me. Even the first pigs(M-60's)had issue, an the E-2's were pushed into doing their job by default. The M14e2's stepped up an never missed a beat, not bad for a half asses design in my book.

Kenneth </div></div>

Well said
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mike,
I've done nothing compared to many on this site. You, sinister, Huskey an many, many, more have done far more than I ever have for this country.
M14's took me there an brought be back, from many a fun place. The M14 family of weapons that uncle issued never once let me down, no matter the A/O or what mother throw-ed at us. They rocked on an still shot, when early present day designs were being used as clubs right beside me. Even the first pigs(M-60's)had issue, an the E-2's were pushed into doing their job by default. The M14e2's stepped up an never missed a beat, not bad for a half asses design in my book.

Kenneth </div></div>

I know plenty of old guys who say otherwise. Lots of them were Korean era vets who ended up in Vietnam later on and they almost universally hated their M14's and carried captured/illegally purchased weapons instead.
 
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I know a guy, I've heard from a guy, my second cousin twice removed, knows a guy who dated a girl, whose brother had a uncle that said. All well an good, but my experience was somewhat different. Nice thing about some groups, they get to use what they want, when they want, an where they want. Think some of those types are still using the M14. Wonder why that would be, as they also have access to whatever they want, as well.

Your never going to get a 100% agreement on much of anything, and trying to compare the 14 to a 10 is like trying to compare a Glock to a 1911, let alone a 40s&w to a 45acp
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deltablack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Thanks, I appreciate useful info like this. Have you run into feeding issues in the AR10? </div></div>

The design itself is fine the issues mainly come from poor QC on the part of certain companies and the stupidity of end users.

Guys I know who constantly have problems with their AR's break their AK's too. And they always wonder why mine are working fine.

Good rifle, good ammo, good mags, take care of it, you won't have any problems is the short answer.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Your never going to get a 100% agreement on much of anything, and trying to compare the 14 to a 10 is like trying to compare a 9mm to a 45acp </div></div>

Point taken and very true.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Lots of them were Korean era vets who ended up in Vietnam later on and they almost universally hated their M14's and carried captured/illegally purchased weapons instead. </div></div>
I doubt that very, very, much. Mussel memory includes hearing, an SKS's, AK's, 91/30's an most everything else commie sounds totally different. Real is somewhat different, than second hand. There were only two weapons I had trouble telling the sound difference between, neither were shoulder fired.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mussel memory includes hearing, an SKS's, AK's, 91/30's an most everything else commie sounds totally different.</div></div>

Doubt all you like but it's the truth. PPSH was popular with these guys plus lots of them had been in since WW2 and were very attached to their M1 Carbines and Garands.

Like you say though it is 9mm vs 45 and arguing about who used what in wartime 50 years ago doesn't give any good information about a rifle purchase for someone going to the range today...
 
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ar-10 style weapon system hands down is better like GAP ...even better is P.O.F. or L.W.R.C. repr ...a short lived design which parts are hard to find .......
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydra 67</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hydra, you're getting hammered a bit but I'm going lend you my opinion. Take it for what you paid for it.

It's a stupid question.

Now before you get defensive and rattle off a retort let me explain why in a car analogy. Would you go to a car guy and say "I want a car that turns a 10 sec. 1/4 mile and then can also road race? Those two goals are nearly on the other end of the spectrum from each other. Can they be done? Sure, but it's either going to be very expensive or mediocre performance at best. Same thing with room clearing and 1K capability.

The M1A is a great platform in many ways and have put a lot of people in the ground; but it's not accurate. It's not accurate to the standards to which many of us (both military and civilian) deem as accurate. Sure, you can get a NM and trued and custom barrel and yada yada yada, but 9 times out of 10 it wont be close to as accurate as a well built AR10.

So get a good, well built AR10 and leave the M1A to the military guys and collectors. </div></div>

fact is we need a rifle for room clearing/ up to 800 yards.

Please tell this group has heard of the DMR idea? Perhaps i would get better general knowledge from a different community. This one is so far mostly disappointing.

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DMR?

Hmm, maybe you should try ar15.com
 
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Dang it, you guys scared him off. Didnt any of you ever play poker?


He used "operator" multiple times on the first page!

this had potential...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dang it, you guys scared him off. Didnt any of you ever play poker?


He used "operator" multiple times on the first page!

this had potential... </div></div>

That was so last month man... now it's just a zombie thread that refuses to die... lol
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will post some real world experiences for you. </div></div>
Post your real world M14 exp. I'm all ears, please give, Unit, Dates, an Mates.

By the way an FYI for <span style="font-weight: bold">You</span>,(google must have misinformed you) the AR10 preceded the AR15/M16.
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When did I say the AR15 predated the AR10?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will post some real world experiences for you. </div></div>
Post your real world M14 exp. I'm all ears, please give, Unit, Dates, an Mates.

Do you also know Nato ammo that the M14 was designed for is about 10k psi less than std .308 win, an the 10 was designed for .308 win. How about you put your M1A up, running 175FGMM (which is 10Kpsi over design)against your AR10 running 175SMK's at 10K psi over, and run them both until failure. By the way, that test has already been done more than once, and if <span style="font-weight: bold">Y-O-U</span> would like to know where the 10 failed first both times,(same place) I'd suggest <span style="font-weight: bold">You</span> sharpen up your google-fu or get invited to <span style="font-weight: bold">Testing,</span> when an where it happens.
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Not only is your info outdated, but it is flat out wrong. I can see you listened to some guy at your local gun club 30 years ago, and took his word as gospel, and you decided to spread WRONG INFO
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deltablack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I must be lucky, both my M1As shot moa in their synthetic Springfield "wet noodle" stocks. They aren't that difficult to accurize, and would probably do well bedded in a quality stock or EBR.

The Op rod is a potential weak link for high port pressures. Not an issue for loads under 175gr unless they over SAAMI specs. However, the gun was not designed to shoot heavier bullets. This is why they created the NM mod to the gas piston to relieve force on the op rod for hot loads.

I have heard of bent op rods, usually using grenade rounds without switching the spindle valve, never saw one. A bent op rod won't break the rest of the rifle.

Never heard of a broken bolt, bolt roller. Shoot decent ammo and avoid destroying the bolt face. And extractor spring wear is the only COMMON extractor issue.

Haven't had op rod tab wear after several thousand rounds. I know it can happen, so I grease it.

All of these unique parts rarely break, gas cylinder, piston, bolt, etc... and it isn't that hard to replace them. There are multiple places online, Springfield offers a lifetime warranty, and all M14 style rifles can interchange parts (save the Poly/Norinco gas lock) so find a used part.

Modern scope mounts work exceptionally well. Look up Vltor, Troy, KAC, Ultimak, and if you're going all out LRB has a modified receiver that works very well.

Fix your cheek weld with a $15 blackhawk cheek riser.

If you want a pistol grip, get or make a stock with one.

The M1A has some pretty complicated and expensive parts, but it is a tank, well built, and very reliable. People have created quality solutions to the downfall of the M14, primarily the optics platform and ergonomics issue. AR10s are inherently more accurate, but have issues as well.

I've still heard much more opinion than fact. </div></div>


Any gun is capable of being built like a Tank. The truth is no one will ever go back to the M14, or even a copy of it. The Taiwanese, who had US Machining Equipment for the M14, even scrapped it.

Armalite AR10 served in the Canadian Armed Forces in Afghanistan with high marks. There is a guy on Canadian Gunnutz who used them while serving. The AR10 still continues to serve to this day.

The Brits Adopted the LMT (AR10 derivative) and it too continues to serves. The Kiwi's are even following suite and picking up some 308 LMT's themselves.

HK made the 417, which is basically a piston AR10, and it serves in the Bundeswer.

The M14, like the Garand is a relic and a thing of the past. I would take the Garand over the M14.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: deltablack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They are specific complaints about the EBR stock. Example the Troy MCS allows the M14 to be cleaned without removing the optic from the rifle. They also had complaints about a flimsy butt stock, and pistol grip. These aren't issues with the M14 itself. </div></div>

Most are complaints of the system that was in use at the time. The Sage Stock was suppose to turn the relic M14 into a modern system, but if failed. Troy Stocks may be a better alternative, but I am sure it too will have short comings.

Does not matter M14's are going to the scrap yard, to be replaced with AR10s and it's derivatives.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not only is your info outdated, but it is flat out wrong. I can see you listened to some guy at your local gun club 30 years ago, and took his word as gospel, and you decided to spread WRONG INFO
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Really, an I believed going RA was for the betterment of this country? I'm just so perplexed, but then again the amount of ex-"spurts" do to search engines are everywhere anymore. One day when your search engine an video game ability fails you, someones past experience may provide a unforgettable teaching moment to build upon.

Oh, all most forgot. One last thing key stroke master, it was not thirty years ago, Oct will be 48 years ago when I first played with one. You are right to some extent as little as 30 years ago uncle still let me play with his stuff. An beings I could choose what I wanted to play with,...well even a person of your intelligence should be able to guess my choice,...right?

Your ability thus far, I'd guess a clerk with the IG. Or is that to high, and company is much closer?
 
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Sorry, forget to ask, you know how us old guys are. Were you rejected when you went to join, or did you never wanted to join and repay/protect this country for what you have, in the first place? Your not just of the taker group are you? Then again I guess if your still sponging off your mom, that question has already been answered? Why don't you join up and become an instructor, you seem to think your good at it? Oh wait, uncle won't allow you to instruct w/o having BTDT my bad, sorry to raise your hopes like that. It's that old thing again.
 
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Looked at your collection of 308's, very nice. If you would have saved your money, maybe you could have moved out of your moms house by now, just a thought. Wish I had a collection like that, as that would imply I could be a ex-spert as well. Then again had a E-8 instill in me having/carrying something, does not imply usage ability. I'm sure he was talking about guys like me, not you.

The guys are right, it is, all about the chase. Man, Look what I have been missing all these years.

Over,....Over,...Red Rover.
 
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[/quote] I would take the Garand over the M14. [/quote]

If John Garand had had his way or the Army hadnt been so conservative the M14 would have been the M1.

AR10, M14 both great rifles. I will own neither until my LMT shows up (3 months + and waiting). If someone has both rifle types and finds their AR10 is that so much more fantastic than the M14 please send me your unwanted M14. I've got a beautiful Garand but I think most M14's will outshoot it all things being equal.
 
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Eric,

Wife says I can't play any longer, as we can't increase my meds do to lack of funding. Guess I'll have to set on the side lines an wish I was playing or had played,............ longer.
Story of my life.

Your tag line asks if, I would be your friend, sure why not, as I now understand why you ask that question.
Cheers,
Your internet friend,
Gunfighter14e2

P.S. Would you consider selling one of those fine 308's an forward the proceeds to me, so I can buy more meds an play longer?
Just address it to
One eyed fat man
Lick-skillet, Alabama, 35968
It'll get here.
 
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Man asked me if I ever had feeding problems with AR10s.

Freaking absolutely. I have two of the first AR10s Armailte shipped and have to say this as they came from Factory POS. I have done more work on them than making a WWII 1911 into a Target Pistol. Just to make them work.

Have owned several SR25 platforms ( Not KAC as I dont have one and California wont let me get one) These have been iffy I am working with Anderson Manufacturing to bring out a good SR25 platform rifle. Right now some more work to do on that project but has lots of potential. KAC is a good rifle, far better than an Armalite. I would not be happy to carry an Armalite AR10 into harms way. Just have too many bad memories for this system to be anything but for fun and precision work.

I am a huge AR15 fan and this is my favorite defense rifle platform. Carried one for thirty years now and have watched it grow into fine weapon system. I love the 6.8 but have not shot enough rounds to know the rifle will hold up for ever. That takes 100,000 plus rounds for me to be happy with and I hear some guys have broken bolt stops on the 6.8s like they do on the 308s.

Tried using M14 as sniper rifle over several decades and always had issues with cold bore shots and wandering zeros. The AR platform is better for cold bore and holding zero but no doubt is more finicky for filth and debris. Plus I have broken more bolts and bolt stops on AR10 types than M14 rifle.

The M14 is not gone and I saw more than a few in the Sand Box. Not the best rifle but fkr works and hits hard. Garand is not the field rifle a M14 is because loading and capaicity is a botch plus Garand is on heavy side. Garand was great rifle in WWII because it was competing against mostly boltguns as assault rifle.

Gunfighter, stay around I will get collection for your meds, as not many make sense when they talk. Not many have more than book experience when they write and the knowledge base will suffer terribly if your gone.

Your being humble is one of the reasons you have a huge following. I am honored but not worthy to be put in same sentence as Sinsiter and Husky
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not only is your info outdated, but it is flat out wrong. I can see you listened to some guy at your local gun club 30 years ago, and took his word as gospel, and you decided to spread WRONG INFO
cry.gif
</div></div>

Really, an I believed going RA was for the betterment of this country? I'm just so perplexed, but then again the amount of ex-"spurts" do to search engines are everywhere anymore. One day when your search engine an video game ability fails you, someones past experience may provide a unforgettable teaching moment to build upon.

Oh, all most forgot. One last thing key stroke master, it was not thirty years ago, Oct will be 48 years ago when I first played with one. You are right to some extent as little as 30 years ago uncle still let me play with his stuff. An beings I could choose what I wanted to play with,...well even a person of your intelligence should be able to guess my choice,...right?

Your ability thus far, I'd guess a clerk with the IG. Or is that to high, and company is much closer?
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You still fail. You know it is possible to learn new stuff? Here let me teach you this:

The difference in pressures were because of different gauges. You think NATO and SAAMI used the exact same method and even the exact same gauge? LOL Please discuss
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry, forget to ask, you know how us old guys are. Were you rejected when you went to join, or did you never wanted to join and repay/protect this country for what you have, in the first place? Your not just of the taker group are you? Then again I guess if your still sponging off your mom, that question has already been answered? Why don't you join up and become an instructor, you seem to think your good at it? Oh wait, uncle won't allow you to instruct w/o having BTDT my bad, sorry to raise your hopes like that. It's that old thing again. </div></div>

What business of yours if I served or joined or wanted to serve this country or not? What does it have to do with M14 vs. AR10 discussions?

Don't worry about me sponging off my mom, she told it's ok if I use her computer to go on SnipersHide, told me I would learn a lot here.

Guns are a hobby to me, and so or gun forums! I am actually a little bored of guns now, but gun forums are fun! I do teach, I teach newbies. I instruct a lot to friends and friends of friends for free. That's because guns are a hobby to me. We cover all sorts of subjects, from pistols, to long distance, to reloading, etc. When my friends have questions about guns, they come to me. I will either give them instructions myself, or point them to where they can find info... or just say "I don't know"
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BTW, in real life I am just as animated as I am on the Internet, probably more son in real life. However real life is boring because I don't meet as many "cool" people in real life such as I do on the internet.. people such as yourself.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looked at your collection of 308's, very nice. If you would have saved your money, maybe you could have moved out of your moms house by now, just a thought. Wish I had a collection like that, as that would imply I could be a ex-spert as well. Then again had a E-8 instill in me having/carrying something, does not imply usage ability. I'm sure he was talking about guys like me, not you.

The guys are right, it is, all about the chase. Man, Look what I have been missing all these years.

Over,....Over,...Red Rover. </div></div>

Again, what does having to live with my mom have to do with this discussion? Oh I get it! By me living with mom, it makes you more REPUTABLE! Is that what it is?

Don't worry, my mom told me it's perfectly fine to use her computer and go on SnipersHide. Said I would learn a lot here, learn from people such as yourself.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Eric,

Wife says I can't play any longer, as we can't increase my meds do to lack of funding. Guess I'll have to set on the side lines an wish I was playing or had played,............ longer.
Story of my life.

Your tag line asks if, I would be your friend, sure why not, as I now understand why you ask that question.
Cheers,
Your internet friend,
Gunfighter14e2

P.S. Would you consider selling one of those fine 308's an forward the proceeds to me, so I can buy more meds an play longer?
Just address it to
One eyed fat man
Lick-skillet, Alabama, 35968
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They are not my guns, they belong to my mom. Let me ask here when she gets home from work. I have to take out the garbage now, and my mom told me to clean my basement room before she gets home, so I better make sure I do that first.
 
Re: AR 10 VS M1A EBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man asked me if I ever had feeding problems with AR10s.

Freaking absolutely. I have two of the first AR10s Armailte shipped and have to say this as they came from Factory POS. I have done more work on them than making a WWII 1911 into a Target Pistol. Just to make them work.

Have owned several SR25 platforms ( Not KAC as I dont have one and California wont let me get one) These have been iffy I am working with Anderson Manufacturing to bring out a good SR25 platform rifle. Right now some more work to do on that project but has lots of potential. KAC is a good rifle, far better than an Armalite. I would not be happy to carry an Armalite AR10 into harms way. Just have too many bad memories for this system to be anything but for fun and precision work.

I am a huge AR15 fan and this is my favorite defense rifle platform. Carried one for thirty years now and have watched it grow into fine weapon system. I love the 6.8 but have not shot enough rounds to know the rifle will hold up for ever. That takes 100,000 plus rounds for me to be happy with and I hear some guys have broken bolt stops on the 6.8s like they do on the 308s.

Tried using M14 as sniper rifle over several decades and always had issues with cold bore shots and wandering zeros. The AR platform is better for cold bore and holding zero but no doubt is more finicky for filth and debris. Plus I have broken more bolts and bolt stops on AR10 types than M14 rifle.

The M14 is not gone and I saw more than a few in the Sand Box. Not the best rifle but fkr works and hits hard. Garand is not the field rifle a M14 is because loading and capaicity is a botch plus Garand is on heavy side. Garand was great rifle in WWII because it was competing against mostly boltguns as assault rifle.

Gunfighter, stay around I will get collection for your meds, as not many make sense when they talk. Not many have more than book experience when they write and the knowledge base will suffer terribly if your gone.

Your being humble is one of the reasons you have a huge following. I am honored but not worthy to be put in same sentence as Sinsiter and Husky </div></div>


You could not figure out why your Armalite would not feed? I have no issues with my Armalites, and if they are good enough for the Canadian Armed Forces, they are good enough for me.

You are more likely to break M16 bolts than 308AR-bolts, that's because .308 has less pressure than 556 NATO. The .308 bolts are big and beefy, with bigger lugs.
 
Re: AR 10 VS M1A EBR

They are both pretty good rifles. I think you will all have to admit the M14 is the sexier of the two!
 
Re: AR 10 VS M1A EBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man asked me if I ever had feeding problems with AR10s.

Freaking absolutely. I have two of the first AR10s Armailte shipped and have to say this as they came from Factory POS. I have done more work on them than making a WWII 1911 into a Target Pistol. Just to make them work.

Have owned several SR25 platforms ( Not KAC as I dont have one and California wont let me get one) These have been iffy I am working with Anderson Manufacturing to bring out a good SR25 platform rifle. Right now some more work to do on that project but has lots of potential. KAC is a good rifle, far better than an Armalite. I would not be happy to carry an Armalite AR10 into harms way. Just have too many bad memories for this system to be anything but for fun and precision work.

I am a huge AR15 fan and this is my favorite defense rifle platform. Carried one for thirty years now and have watched it grow into fine weapon system. I love the 6.8 but have not shot enough rounds to know the rifle will hold up for ever. That takes 100,000 plus rounds for me to be happy with and I hear some guys have broken bolt stops on the 6.8s like they do on the 308s.

Tried using M14 as sniper rifle over several decades and always had issues with cold bore shots and wandering zeros. The AR platform is better for cold bore and holding zero but no doubt is more finicky for filth and debris. Plus I have broken more bolts and bolt stops on AR10 types than M14 rifle.

The M14 is not gone and I saw more than a few in the Sand Box. Not the best rifle but fkr works and hits hard. Garand is not the field rifle a M14 is because loading and capaicity is a botch plus Garand is on heavy side. Garand was great rifle in WWII because it was competing against mostly boltguns as assault rifle.

Gunfighter, stay around I will get collection for your meds, as not many make sense when they talk. Not many have more than book experience when they write and the knowledge base will suffer terribly if your gone.

Your being humble is one of the reasons you have a huge following. I am honored but not worthy to be put in same sentence as Sinsiter and Husky </div></div>


You could not figure out why your Armalite would not feed? I have no issues with my Armalites, and if they are good enough for the Canadian Armed Forces, they are good enough for me.

You are more likely to break M16 bolts than 308AR-bolts, that's because .308 has less pressure than 556 NATO. The .308 bolts are big and beefy, with bigger lugs. </div></div>


Yes, I figured it out. Several reasons

1. They used M14 magazines which are held tight front to back but tollerences but not side to side, which is needed for AR system.
2. Quality control has been iffy.
3.The feedramps where cut wroung.
4. The parts where manufactured by contractor and not by Armalite so inconsistent.

I asked you to not go the personal route. Before you go further and be even more of disrespectful person I did not do this as a "Hobby" and have been working with these systems and teaching professionals for a very long time.
 
Re: AR 10 VS M1A EBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would ask you guys to step back and lets not get into personal attacks. Having made that mistake myself far to often it just ends badly. </div></div>

Well I actually enjoy the personal attacks when it is directed at me. I would never verbally attack someone personally because he was ill-informed or he disagreed with me.

However, if they decide to go the personal attack then I will play.

I love it how someone brings up "mom's basement" or "I served" into the discussion like that makes him more reputable. hahahahhahah... I guess when you can't keep on the topic, then bring up insignificant details?

Like talk about my Service Record will prove the M14 is the better gun? ahhahahhaha

This is why I love forums.
 
Re: AR 10 VS M1A EBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man asked me if I ever had feeding problems with AR10s.

Freaking absolutely. I have two of the first AR10s Armailte shipped and have to say this as they came from Factory POS. I have done more work on them than making a WWII 1911 into a Target Pistol. Just to make them work.

Have owned several SR25 platforms ( Not KAC as I dont have one and California wont let me get one) These have been iffy I am working with Anderson Manufacturing to bring out a good SR25 platform rifle. Right now some more work to do on that project but has lots of potential. KAC is a good rifle, far better than an Armalite. I would not be happy to carry an Armalite AR10 into harms way. Just have too many bad memories for this system to be anything but for fun and precision work.

I am a huge AR15 fan and this is my favorite defense rifle platform. Carried one for thirty years now and have watched it grow into fine weapon system. I love the 6.8 but have not shot enough rounds to know the rifle will hold up for ever. That takes 100,000 plus rounds for me to be happy with and I hear some guys have broken bolt stops on the 6.8s like they do on the 308s.

Tried using M14 as sniper rifle over several decades and always had issues with cold bore shots and wandering zeros. The AR platform is better for cold bore and holding zero but no doubt is more finicky for filth and debris. Plus I have broken more bolts and bolt stops on AR10 types than M14 rifle.

The M14 is not gone and I saw more than a few in the Sand Box. Not the best rifle but fkr works and hits hard. Garand is not the field rifle a M14 is because loading and capaicity is a botch plus Garand is on heavy side. Garand was great rifle in WWII because it was competing against mostly boltguns as assault rifle.

Gunfighter, stay around I will get collection for your meds, as not many make sense when they talk. Not many have more than book experience when they write and the knowledge base will suffer terribly if your gone.

Your being humble is one of the reasons you have a huge following. I am honored but not worthy to be put in same sentence as Sinsiter and Husky </div></div>


You could not figure out why your Armalite would not feed? I have no issues with my Armalites, and if they are good enough for the Canadian Armed Forces, they are good enough for me.

You are more likely to break M16 bolts than 308AR-bolts, that's because .308 has less pressure than 556 NATO. The .308 bolts are big and beefy, with bigger lugs. </div></div>


Actual shooting says your wrong. Wait until an AR10 bolt breaks in your face with standard factory ammo and tell me that shit.
 
Re: AR 10 VS M1A EBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Yes, I figured it out. Several reasons

1. They used M14 magazines which are held tight front to back but tollerences but not side to side, which is needed for AR system.
2. Quality control has been iffy.
3.The feedramps where cut wroung.
4. The parts where manufactured by contractor and not by Armalite so inconsistent.

I asked you to not go the personal route. Before you go further and be even more of disrespectful person I did not do this as a "Hobby" and have been working with these systems and teaching professionals for a very long time. </div></div>



When did I get personal?

So as a Professional, you don't think any other guns can have these problems? Even issued USGI guns have bad batches here and there.

My XCR was one gun that was horrible out of the box. However, as a Hobbyist I had time to figure out the kinks and make it work. It is now my favorite offhand shooting rifle. Though Robinson Arms has horrible support, and he is an A-hole, I have to admit he put together one great rifle.

I love my Armalite AR10's, but not because I am loyal to the brand, they just happen to be the .308 AR's that I own. Why would you not love your guns when they are easy to clean, easy to work on, and have been 100% reliable.
 
Re: AR 10 VS M1A EBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Actual shooting says your wrong. Wait until an AR10 bolt breaks in your face with standard factory ammo and tell me that shit.

</div></div>

I load my AR10s, 168gr and 175gr SMK, hotter than standard factory ammo. Bolt has not broken yet. 168gr Federal Gold Medal Match gets less than 2550 FPS out of my 20" AR10. My loads are more accurate than FGMM and they get about 2580 on average.

Even if it does break, no big deal. New AR10 bolt from Armalite is only $70 (stripped), and replacing is easy I can do myself without tools. I am more likely to wear out a barrel than break a bolt.

Guess what you have to do with the M14 when it's barrel wears? Yup, you got it! Magic Headspace time! Not easy to replace like an AR.
 
Re: AR 10 VS M1A EBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Actual shooting says your wrong. Wait until an AR10 bolt breaks in your face with standard factory ammo and tell me that shit.
</div></div>

Also another question, since you are a Professional, can I ask a question? "How would a bolt break in my face"? Am I suppose to hold it in my mouth?

I thought when AR bolt or the BCG breaks, that it was more likely to have the lugs shear off, or the wall at the cam pin hole break? Or the gas key comes loose of the BCG?.. and when an AR bolt does break, it is NOT catastrophic, that it will just fail to feed and fire till bolt is replaced???

Us Hobbyists wants to learn from Professionals such as yourself!

 
Re: AR 10 VS M1A EBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Us Hobbyists wants to learn from Professionals such as yourself!</div></div>

I love the fact that you're arguing with 2 individuals who actually do have service field experience with both rifles... How much field experience do you have with a service M14? I only ask because you implied earlier they were going off of hear say but I find it doubtful you're doing anything else but spitting out what you have read online since I know you're not old enough to have used either unless it was on a local range and not in any real service experience.
 
Re: AR 10 VS M1A EBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Us Hobbyists wants to learn from Professionals such as yourself!</div></div>

I love the fact that you're arguing with 2 individuals who actually do have service field experience with both rifles... How much field experience do you have with a service M14? I only ask because you implied earlier they were going off of hear say but I find it doubtful you're doing anything else but spitting out what you have read online since I know you're not old enough to have used either unless it was on a local range and not in any real service experience. </div></div>


What is Field Service? I carried a M249, M16A2, and M16A3. Did not work on them much, but I did hump with them them. One thing I have learned from serving is Do not Listen to the average soldier when it comes to anything that requires more than 5 minute research, because most likely he does not know what the hell he is talking about.

A Soldiers job is to take orders, his job is not to give input about how he likes his food cooked.

Also, when I served, I did not know too many guys that were into guns. The guys who had the gun magazines were kind of whacked really
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Even the Book store on base had about 50 issues of Sports Illustrated for every issue they had of a gun mag.
 
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What kind of "Professional" or someone with "Field Experience" says "You will see when an AR10 Bolt blows up in your face?"... I am still trying to figure this one out hahahahahah

This place is awesome! On to page 100.
 
Re: AR 10 VS M1A EBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What kind of "Professional" or someone with "Field Experience" says "You will see when an AR10 Bolt blows up in your face?"... I am still trying to figure this one out hahahahahah

This place is awesome! On to page 100. </div></div>

BTDT, Dude you enjoy being a dumb ass.

Learned about guns from lots and lots of use over many years.

Have fun, off to shoot some more
 
Re: AR 10 VS M1A EBR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What kind of "Professional" or someone with "Field Experience" says "You will see when an AR10 Bolt blows up in your face?"... I am still trying to figure this one out hahahahahah

This place is awesome! On to page 100. </div></div>

BTDT, Dude you enjoy being a dumb ass.

Learned about guns from lots and lots of use over many years.

Have fun, off to shoot some more </div></div>


You were the one that said "wait till an AR10 Bolt Blows up in my face".. I am just asking how this happens. Can you please elaborate?

Please Discuss.

BTW, I have no problems being a Dumbass among all you cool kids. The day I have to be like you guys, I guess that's God's way of telling me I should just go off myself ahhahaha
 
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