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LRI

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  • Mar 14, 2010
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    Sturgis, S. Dakota
    www.longriflesinc.com
    Kalli's been helping her sister out at the coffee shop now that the Sturgis Bike Week is upon us.

    So, I got squirt some paint for a change.

    Here it is Clay. Hope you like it.

    C.

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    I really like this look. I wonder if there might not be the opportunity to add some gray or darker brown and spray in off of a prairie type vegetation.

    I just finished putting together my own camo pattern for out here in the high plains, but damn if I don't almost like this better!
     
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    Looks good. How do you keep the ceracoat out of the bore when coating the brake?
     
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    Best looking pait job I've ever seen on a Mcmillan that didn't have the gel coat swirl. Looks Great!!! Keep it up Chad...
     
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    First, thanks for the kind words.

    Keep in mind that our paint color choices are driven from customer preferences. While we have established color choices, I always keep an open ear to tailor the finish to individual choice.

    We are a full effort custom shop so the guns are built to suit the client's taste.

    Our "prairie sage" color pattern fits the description you mentioned.

    As for gel coats: It's an individual preference. Always will be. I personally hate em as they leave a "margarine bowl" aftertaste in my mouth when I look at one.

    The other aspect that's not readily apparent is that gel coat hides issues. Issues that may/may not present themselves later.

    If you look at how a composite stock is made, you'll understand it better. It goes something like this:

    1. Each half of the cavity mold is sprayed with release agent.
    2. Gel coat is sprayed in. In the case of molded camo, they just finger paint it, and/or use a stencil to lay out the colors.
    3. Fabric is then wetted with resin and laid up in the mold halves.
    4. It's put in a big bag where a vacuum is pulled on it so that atmospheric pressure pushes the fabric to conform to the mold shape.

    Where's there's features that have sharp corner definition (grip cap area, showline edges, cheek pieces, etc) is where the issues tend to present themselves. The fabric can often times fail to stick/adhere to the gel coat. This leaves a void of air between the inside of the gel coat and the outside of the fabric. Order a bondo patch stock once with no color and you'll see instantly what I'm talking about. Once cured you never know/see the difference.

    Until. . .

    Your prized new gun takes a header and bangs into a rock. If it hits on that particular edge your new gun now has a serious case of venereal disease where the gel coat spalls and chips off the stock exposing the fabric shell structure.

    This is why we insist on paint with all of our builds and why I begin everything with a blank free of any inletting. First thing I do is literally beat on the stock with a ball peen hammer to find all this stuff ahead of time. I fill the voids with resin and allow it to cure. Sand to finish and we move on with our lives.

    My other bone of contention is the lack of continuity between one half of the stock and the other. On woodland patterns its easily identified as the color panels fail to match up with one another at the parting seam.

    The stocks are laid up in two halves and glued together afterwards.

    Painting resolves all of these issues and (IMHO) gives the rifle a more finished/completed appearance.

    Some don't care much about cosmetics. That's ok and I'm not here to change your mind. I'm merely explaining the reasoning why we do it the way we do.

    Thanks again for the kind words. It's well received.

    C.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lw8</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks good. How do you keep the ceracoat out of the bore when coating the brake? </div></div>

    Bore as in barrel or bore of the brake?

    If you mean the barrel we just mask it off. The brake I don't even worry about.

    When in HS I took a small engine repair class. We made our own gaskets by using manilla folders and contact cement. You'd glue the entire folder to a case halve of a Briggs motor. Then you'd get a hammer and tap on the edge to cut the paper to a crisp edge. Doing that all the way around netted you a perfectly fitted gasket from a ten cent folder.

    I essentially do the same thing only with masking tape. Mask the face of the crown with green 3M automotive masking tape and tap along the outer edge with a little brass slug that I made years ago. it cuts the tape to a razor like edge and doesn't hurt the barrel. This is how we blast, degrease, apply, and cure the C-kote.

    On the breech side I use those little foam makeup applicator pads sold in bags at Wally world. They seal the breech well and are reusable. No adhesive residue either this way which is a real biche to clean out on an assembled B/A.
     
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    Garret must be holding the rifle, I know you have wimpy little arms. Looks goods Chad.
     
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    Chad,

    What do you think of the A5 stock? It looks like they slope a bit quickly at the tang, leaving some of the action exposed?
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lw8</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It looks like they slope a bit quickly at the tang, leaving some of the action exposed?
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    You mean the very rear of the tang? Having the rear of the tang exposed isn't a bad thing. If it's bedded solid behind the tang it may look prettier, but it's then acting as a secondary recoil lug.


    My thumb rides up over that angle, pointing towards and tang, so I love the A5s design.

    Paint wont hold up like molded into gelcoat colors. You can sand on gelcoat for a little bit, wipe it clean and the color is still there. I look at it like prettiness vs strength/longevity.
    That paint job is beautiful.
     
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    I like the patern of the stock's camo and the fluting of the bolt, very nice work.
     
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    The entire action is bedded. To include the tang. It's bedded no different than any other rifle we build. What your seeing is a feature I recently began to include when building on A5 stocks.

    The tang geometry on a M700 and the slope on the stock don't match one another at all. Not even close. To blend the two as we normally would requires a great deal of invasive work on the outer shell of the stock. Something I'm not in any hurry to do.

    So, the solution I came up with is to surface machine the scallop after bedding it. It leaves a novel looking pad of hard resin for the rear end of the receiver to register to. So far, the A5 and stocks like it are the only ones we have to do this to. The more conventional stocks get the 1:1 blend treatment.

    As for secondary recoil lugs. Keith your right. It can create an issue. There is a very simple solution that I use to solve this though. After the rifle is essentially finished, I buzz .005-.01 off the back of the action. -Thus generating the needed clearance. It's far easier and cleaner than trying to mask that off.

    -Now that I've said this also know this: Every Dakota Arms product offered has a zero clearance fit between receiver and the stock. There's no clearance anywhere.

    They shoot just fine. Take it for what its worth.

    Just like with SS M700's there's that stupid groove at the back of the receiver tang. To fix that I sweat the groove with silver solder, file to flush, sand to blend, and then bed the gun. I don't know what Remington was thinking when they did this. Aggravates the snot out of me though.

    I don't have to tape lugs anymore either. Instead I spent a day making oversized lugs of various shapes/sizes/thickness and we bed the gun with these. Once bedded, its just a matter of replacing the "bedding lug" with the conventional one. Saves us a great deal of time and the results are much, much cleaner in appearance with zero loss in performance.


    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Paint wont hold up like molded into gelcoat colors. You can sand on gelcoat for a little bit, wipe it clean and the color is still there. I look at it like prettiness vs strength/longevity. </div></div>

    -Yet its ok for chunks of gel coat to fall off the gun due to inclusions under the surface?

    Painted properly with good materials (not rattle cans) painted stocks last just fine. I get guns in here for new barrels that I built over 10 years ago and the paint is just as nice as when it left.

    C.

     
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    Wow as usual an amazing piece! Looks great and I bet it shoots even better!

    If you don't mind my asking what are the two colors on the stock? Thank you!
     
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    What I did in regards to colors:

    I bought all my Cerakote products first. In addition I had test coupons of the pigments sent as well.

    Once I had all this I went to my paint supplier and had the colors blended to match the C-kote. I figured this way there'd be good symmetry between the two.

    Seems to have worked.

    It would be the equivalent of Desert Sand and Flat Dark Earth in Cerakote.

    Thanks for the kind words.

    C.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C. Dixon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I did in regards to colors:

    I bought all my Cerakote products first. In addition I had test coupons of the pigments sent as well.

    Once I had all this I went to my paint supplier and had the colors blended to match the C-kote. I figured this way there'd be good symmetry between the two.

    Seems to have worked.

    It would be the equivalent of Desert Sand and Flat Dark Earth in Cerakote.

    Thanks for the kind words.

    C. </div></div>

    Thank you, can't get over how great this rifle looks! Keep up the good work!
     
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    I probably shouldn't check it out or I know I will be wanting one for myself
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    haha, thank you for the heads up though
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    I know exactly what you're talking about. I found a few little pockets in the corners on my KMW Sentinel after I was sanding the stock and broke through the gel coat.

    I'm glad I found them before I painted it.