anyone wanna help me with a 260 build

[Bigchaza]

Ok so I have been basicly shooting for about 17 years. In the past used my dads rifles the only two guns I own are a Remington 870 de atomizer cannon and a completely unmodified Remington 700 5-r in 308

my shooting experience would total about 10000 rounds out of a bruno 22, about 15000-20000 rounds out of a 243 bsa monarch which I shot the barrel out of and a tikka t3 and my Remington 700 5-r with about 2000 rounds experience.

I have really tried to become familiar with what I do have rather than buying a bunch of gear I love my shooting and im always chasing better results atm if I don't shoot about 80-100 rds a week I start to get a bit itchy. As a result im comfortable with my shooting ability I don't win any shooting comps but I usually make a respectable appearance. I currently live and work on a farm which I have a 2.5k range set up I obviously have never made it it 2.5 k but I enjoy plinking at longer ranges and I find my current set-up is limited to about 800m (I made the mistake of buying a trijicon accupoint, great scope for hunting but limited elevation and not the best at precision work)Im also a bit shy when it comes to rifle kicks belting me about 308 is my limit. The farm also allows me great access to hunting as it is basicly my job there to keep the place varmit free.

The build im proposing is a tactical rifle, firstly im pretty retarded when it comes to choosing gear because I have had much exposure to shopping around for cool gun parts, I gather there is no best gear but rather best choices for certain applications, the budget, I figure ill pretty much save until I can afford what I want rather than rush in on a budget so here goes

the action
surgeon short action
or
defiance rebel
which ever is tougher ill try my best to look after it but this rifles gonna see alot of dust, mud, hail, sunshine water and other rough conditions it wont be a range queen it will be a work horse, (although i will to take it to the range)

glass
nightforce ffp 5.5 -25 not built yet but keen as to get the moa recital on this scope

barrel
?? don't have enough experience in this area but do like my experiences with 5-r rifling (mainly crap easy to clean and maintain) for the twist rate something that is pretty diverse but leaning towards heavier bullets is good ive gained plenty of experience dialling knobs and getting holdover right thanks to the 308

stock
MCS-T5A with a limb saver and 90% carbon fibre

trigger
No experience with triggers again but my monarch did have a two stage hair trigger which I thought was pretty sexy

dbm
cdi (love that dudes work)

mags
alpha (love that dudes work also)
should I get it ramped for alpha 2 mags???

rail and mounts
seekins rings
Murphy precision highest moa rail I can reasonably get for the scope

and of course and atlas bipod

I think that's all the parts of the rifle had a few beers hope I didn't miss anything and sorry for the spelling. Thanks heap in advance for any and I mean any help whatsoever. (BTW I hate snipers hide it got me into an expensive habit)

 

[2Shots]

Re: anyone wanna help me with a 260 build

It sounds to me like you have done your homework both on and off the range. It sounds like you have a great place to practice and have done some studying in regards to gear. I think everything you listed are great choices. As far as the barrel pretty well any of the cut rifle barrel makers are good, and actually some of the button cut shoot well. I shot 3,000 rounds out of my custom 260 and thought it was the greatest barrel ever made because I couldn't make it shoot bad, had some sub .110 groups from it and then found out the builder used a button cut barrel on it! The key is to use any reputable barrel maker, they all lap the bores and will shoot well. I'm not sure the carbon fiber is worth the upcharge but that's your choice. The trigger is a personal thing, I like jewel, but there are plenty of quality triggers. As far as the FFP high powered NF, you might be waiting a while, they aways announce new products well ahead of actual production, and then pinned up demand has to catch up so you might be awhile, fortunately you have quite a few FFP scopes available now that will work well, they range in price from 1200 and up, search this site for test results. You might consider the 15X F1 NF, it's an awful good scope, but limited to 15x so it's up to you. Hope this helps, good luck in your build!

 

[OK243]

Re: anyone wanna help me with a 260 build

As far as the barrel goes, If you are planning to shoot the 140's you might want the 8 twist but if your planning to stick with 130's the 8.5 twist shoots outstanding.
Since the 260 is a pretty long round for the SA you will probably want to use the Alpha type 2.

 

[2Shots]

Re: anyone wanna help me with a 260 build

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: John2247</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As far as the barrel goes, If you are planning to shoot the 140's you might want the 8 twist but if your planning to stick with 130's the 8.5 twist shoots outstanding.
Since the 260 is a pretty long round for the SA you will probably want to use the Alpha type 2.
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I did forget to add I shoot an 8 twist barrel and usually shoot 142SMK or 140 Amax, although I have shot the 123SMK on occasion and they shoot fine.

 

[nauta]

Re: anyone wanna help me with a 260 build

I recently went through the same process - from all of the discussions on this site I chose Defiance over Surgeon - Look for Mark Gordon's post on the differences in a Surgeon vs. Defiance thread.
I went with a Bartlein for the 5R barrel because it was in stock but everything I've read about them makes me as happy with it as with anything else - Look for wnroscoe's comments on them in a recent melonite thread.
I wouldn't recommend any mags from Alpha - look at the two recent threads on all of the issues with them. You might get lucky and recieve mags. If you do they might work.
For the DBM, why don't you just order the stock with the integrated Badger mini-chassis?

 

[tylerw02]

Re: anyone wanna help me with a 260 build

15-20k rounds of .243 and you only wore out ONE barrel? Glad to see people shooting rather than buying gear!

It looks like NF is going to come out with a 5-25x not a 5.5-22x FFP. It should be a beast if/when it does come.

Personally, I'll say had I to do it all over, I'd have bought an AI AE MK III, several barrels, and an S&B and roll.

 

[rrflyer]

Re: anyone wanna help me with a 260 build

Why not just get your 308 rebarelled to a 260 and order a manners stock with mini chassis

 

[Bigchaza]

Re: anyone wanna help me with a 260 build

well this is really starting to come together which is good let me answer some questions from you guys

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rrflyer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why not just get your 308 rebarelled to a 260 and order a manners stock with mini chassis</div></div>

I want to keep the 308 to help me gain better control of recoil if I don't work on it all the time I tend to develop really bad muscle movements.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">15-20k rounds of .243 and you only wore out ONE barrel? Glad to see people shooting rather than buying gear!

It looks like NF is going to come out with a 5-25x not a 5.5-22x FFP. It should be a beast if/when it does come.

Personally, I'll say had I to do it all over, I'd have bought an AI AE MK III, several barrels, and an S&B and roll. </div></div>

still got that bsa monarch whatever I do it just keeps on paddling, love that gun but its pretty dead now. anyway in regards to your advice on the AI AE MK III I quiet like the idea but here in Australia they get a little weird when it comes to having multiple barrels, the S&B however is probably the way to go

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nauta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I recently went through the same process - from all of the discussions on this site I chose Defiance over Surgeon - Look for Mark Gordon's post on the differences in a Surgeon vs. Defiance thread.
I went with a Bartlein for the 5R barrel because it was in stock but everything I've read about them makes me as happy with it as with anything else - Look for wnroscoe's comments on them in a recent melonite thread.
I wouldn't recommend any mags from Alpha - look at the two recent threads on all of the issues with them. You might get lucky and recieve mags. If you do they might work.
For the DBM, why don't you just order the stock with the integrated Badger mini-chassis?
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yes I think that your right here I would be better of going with the badger mini chassis, I was going with CDI out of loyalty but this seems like it will be a better system for my rifle, could anyone recommend what I should use for mags on paper alpha looked the best but really the most important things to me in a mag is good OAL, feeds every time 100% of the time and is preferable 10rd. As for the barrel an 8 twist 5-r seems to be the winner. Also the defiance rebel is definitely the one after some reading

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 2shots</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It sounds to me like you have done your homework both on and off the range. It sounds like you have a great place to practice and have done some studying in regards to gear. I think everything you listed are great choices. As far as the barrel pretty well any of the cut rifle barrel makers are good, and actually some of the button cut shoot well. I shot 3,000 rounds out of my custom 260 and thought it was the greatest barrel ever made because I couldn't make it shoot bad, had some sub .110 groups from it and then found out the builder used a button cut barrel on it! The key is to use any reputable barrel maker, they all lap the bores and will shoot well. I'm not sure the carbon fiber is worth the upcharge but that's your choice. The trigger is a personal thing, I like jewel, but there are plenty of quality triggers. As far as the FFP high powered NF, you might be waiting a while, they aways announce new products well ahead of actual production, and then pinned up demand has to catch up so you might be awhile, fortunately you have quite a few FFP scopes available now that will work well, they range in price from 1200 and up, search this site for test results. You might consider the 15X F1 NF, it's an awful good scope, but limited to 15x so it's up to you. Hope this helps, good luck in your build!</div></div>

Yeh to be honest im getting really excited on what this rifle will be capable of. To be truthful I love the idea of ffp scopes but 15 times isnt enough for me. I find that at especially long distance or for putting dots on paper high mag and shooting through mirage is better than not seeing your target nice and clearly. you sold me on the carbon fibre i really should drop it and use the extra weight to reduce recoil plus I find a bit of extra weight helps to find natural point of aim as well

any ways cheers from everyone who has helped so far only issue im having is with finding triggers if anyone knows what the triggers where on bsa monarchs 35 years ago something similar to that would be a ripper!!!

 

[Kruger21]

Re: anyone wanna help me with a 260 build

Mate,

Your build sounds good,

Who do you have in mind to build your rifle?

Is the gunsmith getting the parts you need, or are you sourcing them your self?

I've had some Nightmares and some excellent experience getting custom rifles built is Australia

One Gunsmith has been paid to do 2 custom rifles for me since Nov 2009 still has not finished!!!!! WTF and i supplied the stocks my self.

Then I used another Gunsmith and he has finished 3 custom rifles for me this year, I supplied 90% of the parts myself

Point is be careful who you use, I find getting most of the parts your yourself, will speed up the whole process. This way you know they have all the parts and can't say... oh I'm still waiting on Stock or barrel etc

Also you may want to look into importing a rifle from the US , a lot of the great rifle builders in the States have 1/4 of the lead time our builders will quote. And they have great customer service too, really look after you the purchaser. All the parts are easy for them to get

Its not as expensive as you may think and there are lots of Dealers in Australia willing to import rifles for the individual.

I have done this 3 to 4 times

Good luck

 

[Bigchaza]

Re: anyone wanna help me with a 260 build

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kruger21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mate,

Your build sounds good,

Who do you have in mind to build your rifle?

Is the gunsmith getting the parts you need, or are you sourcing them your self?

I've had some Nightmares and some excellent experience getting custom rifles built is Australia

One Gunsmith has been paid to do 2 custom rifles for me since Nov 2009 still has not finished!!!!! WTF and i supplied the stocks my self.

Then I used another Gunsmith and he has finished 3 custom rifles for me this year, I supplied 90% of the parts myself

Point is be careful who you use, I find getting most of the parts your yourself, will speed up the whole process. This way you know they have all the parts and can't say... oh I'm still waiting on Stock or barrel etc

Also you may want to look into importing a rifle from the US , a lot of the great rifle builders in the States have 1/4 of the lead time our builders will quote. And they have great customer service too, really look after you the purchaser. All the parts are easy for them to get

Its not as expensive as you may think and there are lots of Dealers in Australia willing to import rifles for the individual.

I have done this 3 to 4 times

Good luck


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Its a pity I know I don't really trust anyone in Aus. I once sent a 22 lever action to a guy to get the rod that acts as the spring in the tubular magazine straitened, it took him three years to do it. At one of the guns stored I used to go to I paid a guy 50$ to put a scope on, he put the tapered base on back to front and then bent a 1000 dollar scope tightening the screws as hard as he could trying to make the scope base go the right way. I don't trust any local people for anything to do with guns except for my local guy who I know personally. the plan is to get someone in the states to build it and then send it to me through the dealer I trust. Im supplying all of the gear to ensure there are no hold-ups ive had to think this through almost as much as the build of the rifle. BTW thanks for your concern and its good to see im doing it the right way. btw where are you in aus

 

[teerex]

Re: anyone wanna help me with a 260 build

I am currently going through the same process, but did decide and on action and went with SAC's Alpha 11, which is a defiance based action. It seemed to offer a great amount of features for the price, and is still based on a proven platform.

I can't help with the recommendations of what to do in AUS though. I did live there a few years as a teenager and had some friends who had families into guns, but nobody was into precision that I knew.

 

[Gray]

Re: anyone wanna help me with a 260 build

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: teerex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am currently going through the same process, but did decide and on action and went with SAC's Alpha 11, which is a defiance based action. It seemed to offer a great amount of features for the price, and is still based on a proven platform.

I can't help with the recommendations of what to do in AUS though. I did live there a few years as a teenager and had some friends who had families into guns, but nobody was into precision that I knew. </div></div>

+1 on the Alpha 11!!

 

[leadbullet]

Re: anyone wanna help me with a 260 build

to all AUS guys, is Jerry Grenfeld a decent gunsmith??

 

[Bigchaza]

Re: anyone wanna help me with a 260 build

action
defiance rebel
30 moa rail
ejection port hybrid port
rear tang, target
tactical bolt knob
recessed bolt nose
deep fluting

glass
s&b ffp

barrel
bartelien 5-r 8 twist, fluted,
stock
manners mcs t5a with mini badger and limbsaver
trigger
to be decided later

2 * 10 rd Ai mags

should be one hell of a set-up any ways feel free to spot out any problems

 

[Kruger21]

Re: anyone wanna help me with a 260 build

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: attherange</div><div class="ubbcode-body">to all AUS guys, is Jerry Grenfeld a decent gunsmith??</div></div>


I think you mean Jeff Grenfeld,

I can't comment!! I've never seen any of his work.

I haven't heard too many positives either