Re: Libya
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fargo007</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fargo007</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The film issue is a false flag / red herring. </div></div>Those are two very different things. Which one are you saying it is, and why? <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fargo007</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If they can phrase the narrative as being all "about the film" then they don't have to address it as the coordinated attack that it really is.</div></div>Is there evidence that this was a coordinated attack? If so, by whom and with what was it coordinated - the attack in Egypt? </div></div>
Depends on which side you look at it from.
False flag on the part of the attackers. A fake justification or cover for the attack.
Red herring on the part of the US administration to blame it on a film (that they cannot do anything about) and avoid acting in an election year.
Multiple US embassies get hit on 9-11 by organized, well armed forces. They kill an ambassador in one, and have a black (Al Qaeda) flag ready to replace the US flag in another.
My mildot master and magic 8-ball both agree these are not coincidences.
--Fargo007
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"Psychological warfare (PSYWAR), or the basic aspects of modern psychological operations (PSYOP), have been known by many other names or terms, including Psy Ops, Political Warfare, “Hearts and Minds”, and Propaganda.[1] Various techniques are used, by any set of groups, and aimed to influence a target audience's value systems, belief systems, emotions, motives, reasoning, or behavior. It is used to induce confessions or reinforce attitudes and behaviors favorable to the originator's objectives, and are sometimes combined with black operations or false flag tactics. Target audiences can be governments, organizations, groups, and individuals"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_warfare Thousands have protested the film outside the US embassy in Cairo [AFP]
An obscure slapstick film said to be entitled Innocence of Muslims or Life of Muhammed has been cited as the cause for riots at US diplomatic posts in Egypt and Libya.
But the existence of the purported filmmaker, Sam Bacile, allegedly a 52-year-old Israeli-American real estate developer, has not been proven.
In interviews with the AP news agency and the Wall Street Journal, a man calling himself "Sam Bacile" said he had raised about $5m to produce the film. He also was quoted describing Islam as "a cancer", and claimed he had raised money from "about 100 Jewish donors" to make the video.
But the interview subject did not even give the same age during his two known press interviews, as he told the AP he was 56.
The man said the amateur, two-hour-long film had involved dozens of actors and was produced in California in 2011. But new reports suggest neither any prior social media presence by the director nor any IMDB page for the film.
The director of the California Film Commission - which issues permits for films that are shot in the state, told the Huffington Post that no permit was ever granted to someone by the name "Sam Bacile".
'Desert Warrior'
The trailer for the film - which itself is so far unavailable to the public - portrays Islam’s Prophet Muhammad as a fraud and a womaniser, and depicts him having sex. The entire film has only been shown once in public, at a theatre in Hollywood, said the source who identified himself as "Bacile".
He also explained he made the film because “after 9/11 everybody should be in front of the judge”, AP reported. "Even Jesus, even Muhammad."
But actors who participated in the filming now say they had no idea the film was even about Muhamad or Islam. The original casting call was reportedly for a film called "Desert Warrior" by director Alan Roberts.
And all the film's religious references were actually dubbed after the original shooting.
"Bacile" is now reportedly in hiding, even though reports suggest that the name is merely cover for a larger group, or a pseudonym for someone who may be neither Israeli nor Jewish - but who cited such an identify to inflame tensions.
One of the actresses who says she was tricked into being in the film says "Bacile" told her on set that he was Egyptian, and that he spoke Arabic to other men present.
Reuters has reported that Egypt's Coptic Orthodox church issued a statement condemning some Egyptian Christians living aboard who it said had financed "the production of a film insulting Prophet Muhammad".
In Egypt and Libya, public anger at the video spilled over on Tuesday, leading to the death of the US ambassador in Benghazi, Libya and the evacuation of embassy workers in Cairo.
Spread on social media
How did an obscure film trailer come to have international ramifications? It was first posted on YouTube by a user called "sam bacile" in July 2012, and has received about 450,000 views to date.
The trailer began to get more attention in September. On September 4, the same user posted a version dubbed in Arabic, which has garnered tens of thousands of views.
Morris Sadek, a Coptic Christian born in Egypt but who lives in the US, told AP he had been promoting the film on his website. He also tweeted a link to the trailer on September 9.
Sadek, the head of the National American Coptic Assembly, is known for his vehemently anti-Islam views, and told the Wall Street Journal that “the violence that it [the film] caused in Egypt is further evidence of how violent the religion and people are".
Terry Jones, the Florida pastor whose burning of Qurans in 2011 spurred riots across the Muslim world leading to several deaths, also reportedly promoted the film.
The Arabic version of the trailer received heavy media coverage in Egypt last week, including by controversial hardline TV host Khaled Abdallah, who reported on the film on September 8.
A clip of the show was posted to YouTube on September 9, where it has received almost 400,000 views so far.
"The operation behind this film appears to be extreme Egyptian Copts who want to discredit the Morsi government and create a provocation," journalist Max Blumenthal told Al Jazeera.
"They oppose the revolution and are aligned with Christian right groups who have an apocalyptic, theocratic agenda and who are inciting against Muslim-Americans," Blumenthal said, adding, "They put Muslims in the US in danger, they put Copts in Egypt in danger, and they're putting US diplomats in danger."
The Afghan government on Wednesday temporarily blocked YouTube in an effort to discourage people from watching the clip. YouTube also blocked the video in Egypt, agency reports said.
In a statement issued on Wednesday, the company said: "We work hard to create a community everyone can enjoy and which also enables people to express different opinions.
"This can be a challenge because what's OK in one country can be offensive elsewhere.
"This video - which is widely available on the web - is clearly within our guidelines and so will stay on YouTube. However, given the very difficult situation in Libya and Egypt we have temporarily restricted access in both countries.
"Our hearts are with the families of the people murdered in [Tuesday's] attack in Libya."
Observers say Google has grown more averse to removing videos. After its 2006 acquisition of YouTube, it was accused of censorship in several high-profile controversies.
"They're squeezed on all sides," said Rebecca MacKinnon, a fellow at the New America Foundation. "But because of pressure from a lot of people who feel they made the wrong decisions, they now generally err on the side of keeping things up."
In recent years, Google has used technology to filter out videos in certain countries to comply with local regulations.
Source Al jazerra
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/09/201291214042970150.html <span style="color: #FF0000">Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, Terry Jones, Bin Laden, et all. Yes we should let their attitudes and propaganda(and Al Jazeera/Fox news) influence how we think about Nation States.
So there is an Al Qaeda leader in Libya, they just lost the election to "American Puppets" how do we drive a wedge between the US and Libya so we can overturn this government. So we can put into place the most radical government possible. Use oil money to get nuclear weapons...Ah Western countries are like children, so easily manipulated, so reactionary, this is all too easy!</span>
