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savage accutrigger or rem 700

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any advantages with the savage and accutrigger over rem 700? either will be in 308. thanks

wanting something to shoot while my smith builds me a 6.5 creedmoor. thanks
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

i have both, a 2k custom savage, and r700...

the savage has the advantage for the do it your self guy..

but the r700 has a smoother action and better ejection

the accu is ok, but has major issues, personally i would swap out the 700 trigger with a timmny and the savage with a SSS trigger

with the ram-age "savage" bbl's for remington, "my new build" its hard not to go with the 700 now, and i was a die hard savage guy...
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

We've built two Savages with accu-trigger and would absolutely build another one. I've said it before on other threads and will stick to my guns, after shooting our Savages at the matches this summer I honestly can't think of any custom that I'd trade mine for. They shoot that well and putting it together on our kitchen table just adds more to it. Some say the action isn't as smooth or is butt ugly but as long as it works that is most important to me. They may not have the resale value but I never planned on selling anyway. I've still got the accu-trigger which is about 1 1/2lbs but very crisp.

This will always be a big debate between customs and the lowly Savage but they have come a long way from Grandpaps cheap Savage. We did go with 260s though for the local 1000 yard matches over the 308. Just personal preference but find the 6.5 seems to perform better for those distances.

Not sure where you are from but if you are in Ohio and want to try one out before buying we get to Rayners quite often and you're more than welcome to come shoot ours.

Good luck in your build.

Hi Ring, I didn't know who you were at the match or I'd have said HI, I was to your right shooting from the bench at the match Sunday. Those are nice toys you have.

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Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

The accutrigger is a great factory trigger, in most cases you need not replace it since it is clean, crisp, and light. Savage actions may not be as smooth as Remington actions, but they are not as rough as most would imply, especially with a few modifications, such as a bolt lift kit, and maybe a tactical bolt handle. I tried doing the mad minute once with my uncle's 223 (I think its the predator max or something), and got off 24 hits on a 12" target at 300 yards, which I think is pretty good. I think the world record is 38, so I still get a long ways to go, but the Savage bolt isn't that bad.
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

Ring, ya gotta cut me some slack. I'm an old fart and didn't notice the name and didn't put 2 and 2 together till after the match. Someday I'll have to get down in the dirt and try that prone stuff as long as you all help me back up.

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Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

there are 3 differant models of accutrigger out also there is one for there hunting rifles,another in there precision rifles such as my model 10 pc carbine,and yet another on there target models noted by the red blade.i did a mod to mine i found from a savage guy here in town where i cut a few coils from the spring on my blade and now i hardly apply any pressure to it and it folds into the trigger.must state also if i close bolt hard it locks up the blade so the trigger will not function at all.
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

If your wanting to get a rifle and not do one thing to it get the Savage. If you think you might want any mods down the road get the Rem. Savage's are diff from year to year and model to model, some smiths choose not to work on them. Try to find a smith that wont work on a Remington
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Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sonic Crack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Savage's are diff from year to year and model to model, some smiths choose not to work on them.</div></div>

You don't need a gunsmith to work on a Savage - anybody with a modicum of mechanical ability can DIY. That's one of the big selling points of a Savage.

For the OP, if you're just looking for an 'interim' rifle until your build arrives from a gunsmith, I'd personally go for whichever is cheaper. If the action your smith is building is a 700 footprint, might be wise to stick with that...if not, there's no reason to not try a Savage.

...ya just might fall in love with its ugliness...
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

My 10FC folder came with the LE accutrigger, quite nice actually, less than 2#. I must say it compares to the Rifle Basix trigger that came in my R700 LTR.

Both great choices, take yer pick!
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: motodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.must state also if i close bolt hard it locks up the blade so the trigger will not function at all.</div></div>

thats the big flaw... the re-design of the SSS trigger gets rid of that...
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

I have a Rem 700 CDL and a Savage 116FCSS. The Rem is a 300 wsm and the Savage is a 270.

I have had the 700 trigger worked on twice by a gun smith. I also had to do quite a bit of work to get the thing to shoot with hand loads. To be fair, I had some issues with the AccuTrigger, but once I increased the pull to 2 lbs, I didn't have any more problems and I love it. The Savage shoots sub moa with several factory hunting loads. The bolt on the Rem is smoother, but I don't really notice it that much, so the Savage is good enough for me.

I don't have a need for some super custom rifle, so I don't see any advantage to the Rem for me. Especially when the Savage out of the box shoots better than some customs I have seen.

I am going to sell the Remington, but I am keeping the Savage.
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ring</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: motodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.must state also if i close bolt hard it locks up the blade so the trigger will not function at all.</div></div>

thats the big flaw... the re-design of the SSS trigger gets rid of that... </div></div>

I don't see this as a flaw.

That "lock up" is the firing pin resting against the accurelease blade, preventing the NEGLIGENT/ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE you would have otherwise had.

The accutrigger is the safest rifle trigger out there. Like a Glock, the Savage will NOT discharge unless the trigger is actually pulled. Remingtons, Winchesters, Howas etc etc etc, can release the sear and discharge when bumped or with hard bolt closure. A Savage with Accutrigger cannot.
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ring</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: motodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.must state also if i close bolt hard it locks up the blade so the trigger will not function at all.</div></div>

thats the big flaw... the re-design of the SSS trigger gets rid of that... </div></div>

I don't see this as a flaw.

That "lock up" is the firing pin resting against the accurelease blade, preventing the NEGLIGENT/ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE you would have otherwise had.

The accutrigger is the safest rifle trigger out there. Like a Glock, the Savage will NOT discharge unless the trigger is actually pulled. Remingtons, Winchesters, Howas etc etc etc, can release the sear and discharge when bumped or with hard bolt closure. A Savage with Accutrigger cannot.</div></div>

Maybe not a flaw, but it could be designed better. In Marlin's blade-type trigger, for example, the blade simply provides a mechanical stop for the trigger assembly, not unlike how the safety works. It's impossible to release the sear without first depressing the trigger blade, but you won't have the finicky behavior of the Accutriggers.

Also, a properly functioning trigger such as the SSS for the Savage, any Remington 700 trigger, etc., will not release with a nasty bump or bolt closure.

That being said, the Accutriggers are still among the nicest factory triggers on the market.
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sonic Crack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Savage's are diff from year to year and model to model, some smiths choose not to work on them.</div></div>

You don't need a gunsmith to work on a Savage - anybody with a modicum of mechanical ability can DIY. That's one of the big selling points of a Savage.

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Agreed, but for those who are not/dont want to DIY, then it is something to consider.
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ring</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: motodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.must state also if i close bolt hard it locks up the blade so the trigger will not function at all.</div></div>

thats the big flaw... the re-design of the SSS trigger gets rid of that... </div></div>

the SSS target trigger just fires if you close the bolt hard
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

I absolutely hated everything about my SSS target trigger. I will only use the Savage Accutrigger or Rifle Basix SAV1 from now on.

I changed out my springs on my Accutrigger, and I absolutely love that trigger now. It is without a doubt, the very best factory trigger out there... IMHO.

DK
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Temp9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also, a properly functioning trigger such as the SSS for the Savage, any Remington 700 trigger, etc., will not release with a nasty bump or bolt closure. </div></div>

Any trigger can cause a slam fire if improperly adjusted, the same goes for the accutrigger. If you get slam fires with the accutrigger its usually because you have it adjusted too low, in which case you have to increase the trigger pull to get rid of it, the same can happen to other triggers.

Me personally, I get annoyed sometimes by the blade, I feel like it sometimes gets in the way, but most of the time I don't notice it and the trigger feels amazing.
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any trigger can cause a slam fire if improperly adjusted, the same goes for the accutrigger. <span style="font-weight: bold">If you get slam fires with the accutrigger its usually because you have it adjusted too low, in which case you have to increase the trigger pull to get rid of it</span></div></div>

What are you talking about?

I'm not going to claim that a slamfire is *impossible* with an accutrigger, but it is highly unlikely, and has nothing to do with where you have the pullweight set.

An accutrigger will not slamfire unless:

1. The accutrigger blade (it's called the "accurelease") has been depressed, or is jammed in the depressed position
2. You've removed the accurelease
3. The accurelease is broken
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Any trigger can cause a slam fire if improperly adjusted, the same goes for the accutrigger. <span style="font-weight: bold">If you get slam fires with the accutrigger its usually because you have it adjusted too low, in which case you have to increase the trigger pull to get rid of it</span></div></div>

What are you talking about?

I'm not going to claim that a slamfire is *impossible* with an accutrigger, but it is highly unlikely, and has nothing to do with where you have the pullweight set.

An accutrigger will not slamfire unless:

1. The accutrigger blade (it's called the "accurelease") has been depressed, or is jammed in the depressed position
2. You've removed the accurelease
3. The accurelease is broken </div></div>

I should have been more specific, I meant that if you are tripping the sear by closing the bolt too hard. That is usually due to having too light a trigger pull, adjusting the trigger weight alleviates the sear tripping.
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sonic Crack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If your wanting to get a rifle and not do one thing to get <span style="color: #FF0000">shoot great get </span> the Savage. If you think you might want <span style="color: #FF0000">to do </span> mods <span style="color: #FF0000">to get it to shoot </span> <span style="text-decoration: line-through">down the road</span> get the Rem. <span style="text-decoration: line-through">Savage's are diff from year to year and model to model, </span> some smiths choose not to work on them <span style="color: #FF0000"> because no work is needed</span> . Try to find a Remington that wont <span style="text-decoration: line-through">work on</span> need a smith
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Fixed it for ya!
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Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

I have a savage 12fv ss in an xlr chassis and am continually surprised by its accuracy on what seems like any load. I will say i am not happy with bolt lift or cycle but PTG makes an oversized bolt body and there are diy modifications you can do for lift. That being said as far as any factory rem action, ive never been super excited about their lift or cycling either. Not to say it isnt better, im just picky :p . Bottom line i love my savages and have sold friends on them, and recommend them.
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

The accu-trigger is really the craputrigger. I don't like them in the least bit way. The X-Mark Pro also sucks, but can be made "ok". Best bet is just dropping in an after-market trigger. The Remington has the advantage in this regard.
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmpowder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sonic Crack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If your wanting to get a rifle and not do one thing to get <span style="color: #FF0000">shoot great get </span> the Savage. If you think you might want <span style="color: #FF0000">to do </span> mods <span style="color: #FF0000">to get it to shoot </span> <span style="text-decoration: line-through">down the road</span> get the Rem. <span style="text-decoration: line-through">Savage's are diff from year to year and model to model, </span> some smiths choose not to work on them <span style="color: #FF0000"> because no work is needed</span> . Try to find a Remington that wont <span style="text-decoration: line-through">work on</span> need a smith
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Fixed it for ya!
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Excellent work!
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

I personally like the accu-trigger alot. It is not perfect by any means but I am a big fan. I have modified mine to fit me better but i like it stock non the less. Its definitly different, most either like it or don't. Alot of places have accu trigger demos. Go play with one. I like feeling the shift from accu blade to trigger i am used to it and its part of my routine. If you think you might not like the accu trigger dont get one. Theres definitly better aftermarket triggers for 700s than for savages.
 
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Smiths won't work on Savages because there's a bazzillion variations. They don't refuse to work on them because "they don't need it". If you believe anything about Savage being some ultimate out of the box rifle comparable to a custom, you're delusional. Lay off the drugs, son!
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The accu-trigger is really the craputrigger. I don't like them in the least bit way. The X-Mark Pro also sucks, but can be made "ok". Best bet is just dropping in an after-market trigger. The Remington has the advantage in this regard. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Smiths won't work on Savages because there's a bazzillion variations. They don't refuse to work on them because "they don't need it". If you believe anything about Savage being some ultimate out of the box rifle comparable to a custom, you're delusional. Lay off the drugs, son! </div></div>

Geez, who pissed in your cereal this morning? Anyone who thinks the X-mark Pro is a better trigger than the Accutrigger is delusional, you didn't state how its better or why, just stated that its crap. Second, I'd like to see if you can find a factory rifle for less than $1000 that can outshoot a Savage, heck, even at $2000 there aren't many that can shoot better than a factory Savage.
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

[/quote] Geez, who pissed in your cereal this morning? Anyone who thinks the X-mark Pro is a better trigger than the Accutrigger is delusional, you didn't state how its better or why, just stated that its crap. Second, I'd like to see if you can find a factory rifle for less than $1000 that can outshoot a Savage, heck, even at $2000 there aren't many that can shoot better than a factory Savage. [/quote]

You find a decent Savage starter gun at a good price and add a custom barrel and stock and then find you can usually run heads up with the big dollar customs. There will always be a pissing match between the custom gun owners and the Savage guys but the truth is in the guns winning matches and how they shoot. Having a custom is nice if you're into that but if you'd actually take the time to sit and shoot both to compare actual accuracy and even reliability I think a lot of folks will be really surprised with the outcome.

Just checked our last match at Rayners, top 5 of 6 scores were with Savages and top 12 of 16 scores were with Savages. A lot of customs were included in the 62 shooters that entered. All will shoot, personal preference has a lot to do with it so don't dismiss any of them being inferior but also don't exclude any just because they are less expensive or near stock and don't have a fancy name attached to them.

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Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The accu-trigger is really the craputrigger. I don't like them in the least bit way. The X-Mark Pro also sucks, but can be made "ok". Best bet is just dropping in an after-market trigger. The Remington has the advantage in this regard. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Smiths won't work on Savages because there's a bazzillion variations. They don't refuse to work on them because "they don't need it". If you believe anything about Savage being some ultimate out of the box rifle comparable to a custom, you're delusional. Lay off the drugs, son! </div></div>


Geez, who pissed in your cereal this morning? Anyone who thinks the X-mark Pro is a better trigger than the Accutrigger is delusional, you didn't state how its better or why, just stated that its crap. Second, I'd like to see if you can find a factory rifle for less than $1000 that can outshoot a Savage, heck, even at $2000 there aren't many that can shoot better than a factory Savage. </div></div>

Ignore the troll. If there is an ignore feature on this site, I have a good use for it.
 
Re: savage accutrigger or rem 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MagnumSecurity</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmpowder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sonic Crack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If your wanting to get a rifle and not do one thing to get <span style="color: #FF0000">shoot great get </span> the Savage. If you think you might want <span style="color: #FF0000">to do </span> mods <span style="color: #FF0000">to get it to shoot </span> <span style="text-decoration: line-through">down the road</span> get the Rem. <span style="text-decoration: line-through">Savage's are diff from year to year and model to model, </span> some smiths choose not to work on them <span style="color: #FF0000"> because no work is needed</span> . Try to find a Remington that wont <span style="text-decoration: line-through">work on</span> need a smith
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Fixed it for ya!
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Excellent work!</div></div>

Thanks guys, I needed a good laugh today
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