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Armalite decisions

flynlow3

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I purchased three armalite lowers in .308 because I came across them at a good price. I am new to the AR-10 world so I want people to explain the Pro's Cons besides the magazines are expensive.

Is there anything that makes the armalite a better .308?

Where can you buy parts other than armalite to asseble an upper?

I know the barrels are different.

I have A mega, a dpms and three armalite lowers. I want someone to convence me to build one of the armalites with their reasoning. Just seems all the others make things simple and effective. Am I wrong?
 
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Magazines are the only real drawback. It seems the industry is standardizing on the Stoner/SR25/DPMS pattern mags for the .308 ARs.

I built out an Armalite Eagle Arms lower that I snagged before the last gun ban scare. I have no complaints. I picked up a five pack of magazines and that has be set for any precision rifle games or LE work.

I will say that the Armalite bolt carrier is a very high quality piece. I just received a DPMS carrier for another build and while I am sure it will work fine I was a little let down.
 
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I'll start off saying I'm assuming you bought the AR-10B model that uses the M14 style magazines.

The ArmaLite GenI mags were a legal high capacity mag during the ban, the reason they went with those mags. They are still legal in ban states.

The Gen II mags are high quality and about the same price I pay for M1A (M14) magazines. I have 8-10 AR-10 mags and it's more than I need. New ones cost about 30-35 bucks, that's inline with the cost of most quality magazines. A lot of old mil-surp mags cost a lot more.

Build parts from Midway, Brownells, ArmaLite, and one of the best is 762sass.com

I would order the ArmaLite tactical two stage LPK for building your lowers. The ArmaLite trigger is great. These can be tuned to rival any after market two stage trigger.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Magazines are the only real drawback. It seems the industry is standardizing on the Stoner/SR25/DPMS pattern mags for the .308 ARs.

I built out an Armalite Eagle Arms lower that I snagged before the last gun ban scare. I have no complaints. I picked up a five pack of magazines and that has be set for any precision rifle games or LE work.

I will say that the Armalite bolt carrier is a very high quality piece. I just received a DPMS carrier for another build and while I am sure it will work fine I was a little let down.</div></div>

+1 on these comments. I built up 3 AR-10's from the late 90's to current using Eagle Arms 308 lowers. No regrets at all. Function and accuracy have been great on all of them.
 
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I've just completed my first AR-10, built up to match the specs that AMU is using for the M110s they're now using as 1,000 yard match rifles. Since that's what this rifle was built for, I simply followed exactly the pattern that they used (no point in reinventing the wheel). Since they used the Armalite, that's simply what I went with. Good stuff, no fit issues, well finished, despite the fact that both my upper and lower were supposedly cosmetic blem "seconds." Aside from some very, very minor difference in the shade of the anodizing in a single small spot, I can't see the difference, and it shoots very well. I'd say not only on par with anything else on the market, but far better than most.
 
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Just trying to find a tube/rail that fits armalite seems hard. any ideas on what forend to use?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flynlow3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just trying to find a tube/rail that fits armalite seems hard. any ideas on what forend to use? </div></div>

There are PLENTY of options out there. Here...just to name a few that make Armalite/AR-10 pattern handguards/float tubes/railed handguards...there is:

1) Armalite (obviously)
2) Daniel Defense
3) Larue
4) PRI
5) Superior Weapons Systems
6) Apex
7) JP Enterprises
8) Rainier Arms
9) Troy
10) Badger Ordnance (if you can find one)
 
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Can you interchange DPMS and Armalite barrels on either platform? I was told you could not but want re-assured. looking at a Noveske 18". Anyone have any input?
 
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No, slightly different gas port locations. Slight, but more than enough to keep them from interchanging.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flynlow3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...looking at a Noveske 18". Anyone have any input? </div></div>

The Noveske/Pac-Nor barrels are truly excellent in all respects, including being capable of producing excellent accuracy with a competent shooter and good ammo.
 
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If you look at Noveske's website, they're offering very little in the way of AR-10 merchandise. No more rifles or uppers, and only one barrel, a 12.5 Leonidas.
 
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ok well I shoot mostly target groups beyond 300 yrds. What barrel would be recommended? My buddy has a DPMS SASS and I want something that will hang even with it or better. I shot ten shots in a group the size of a quarter at 100yrds. Haven't taken it out to 300+ yet.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flynlow3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can you interchange DPMS and Armalite barrels on either platform? I was told you could not but want re-assured. looking at a Noveske 18". Anyone have any input? </div></div>

Depends.

If you don't know how to check all the critical dimensions, then DO NOT mix and match across patterns.

Really, if you are using anything other than an Armalite bolt and barrel or DPMS bolt and barrel you will need to know how to check the headspace and diagnose fitment issues.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kevin Thomas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No, slightly different gas port locations. Slight, but more than enough to keep them from interchanging. </div></div>

Has nothing to do with it. You just use the appropriate gas block and tube for the barrel you selected. I.E. I am building a DPMS pattern rifle this time around, but the BCG is the only DPMS part I am actually using. I really didn't have to use that.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Badshot308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you look at Noveske's website, they're offering very little in the way of AR-10 merchandise. No more rifles or uppers, and only one barrel, a 12.5 Leonidas. </div></div>

Noveske runs the 7.62 Barrels in batches. Call and ask them when the next time they are running the barrel you want.

I have a 21" barrel on my AR10 and I am satisfied with it's performance, although for anything other than a max range AR I would go with a shorter barrel (16" is going on the current build).
 
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Well, I have a list of parts to buy. Backordering most! thanks guys! Keep any opionions you have coming. Helping me open up my options!

Thanks again
 
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Although the Armalite mags are single source, they are metal, and work well. Catch a 5 pack on sale.

I like the Armalite lower parts kit for the fact that it can be ordered at a lower price without a trigger. The Armalite NM trigger might be great but I'll never know as long as Geissele keeps making theirs. You get a faster lock time with their triggers and I've never had a light primer strike in .22LR, .223, and .308 uppers.

You can buy an Armalite free float tube for 80 bucks and slap some rails on it if you need to. One on the bottom is all you need to run an Atlas bipod. 120 bucks for a .308 FF tube is cheap.

After much questioning I've found that the one item that is standard thankfully is the barrel extension. So you can use a DPMS/SR25 barrel on an Armalite with the appropriate considerations of gas port location and checking head space. Never ASSUME your head space is correct if you cannot verify it with a set of gauges.

You can even run an entire DPMS BCA in an Armalite upper or vice versa. What you ABSOLUTELY CANNOT do is run a mixture of carrier and bolt. There is a definite difference in the length of bolt between the Armalite and other pattern due to a longer tail.

When it comes to barrels I would simply look for one with a chamber cut to what appeals to you. I went with a replacement barrel cut with a .308 Obermeyer reamer. This keeps the freebore on the short side when loading to magazine length. I am not saying this is the best chamber to have, it's an old design carried over from the M1A/M14 days. It would be worth the time to call Dave Kiff and ask him if you really want to get a recommendation.

I can't afford to buy a Fulton Armory, Noveske, Rainier Arms, Krieger, etc. and compare them all. I have seen this and find it strange. If you read all the .308 semi build threads here, there seem to be two schools. They either get a cheaper barrel or it's a Krieger, which seems to be the most expensive. Lonewolf has the only build I can recall with a Noveske barrel.

I know for a fact that Brux will build you a barrel as does Lilja. I found a Rock Creek. I would not look to save money in the barrel, and then spend it on a $300 rail and a $200 PRS stock.

We haven't even touched on caliber nor what you'll use it for. Is it a bench/range queen where weight doesn't matter or are you hauling it through the woods?

If you do go .308, is this your only .308 or do you own a bolt rifle? If this is your only .308 then maybe it would make sense to go with a 20" barrel. I just would not expect it to be as accurate as a bolt rifle unless you've failed to mention that your day job is putting GAP10s together.

Other than that after doing much reading by people with much more experience, my opinion is that in .308 semis you only need a 16" barrel. It won't be optimal at 1,000 yards but how much shooting are you going to do at that distance realistically? I'm not kicking myself because I ended up with an 18", it was what was in stock and it's the same length gas system so I could use parts I already had. I would go different caliber if all my shooting was way out there.

If you decide to go with a 6 or 6.5, I would still ask about the best chamber for the bullets you want to use loaded to mag length. Based on comments from George Gardner on this forum my opinion is that GAP10s are accurate because A) they use a quality barrel, Bartlein and B) he absolutely knows what reamer he wants to use to cut the chamber. You can't buy that knowledge or expertise in an average barrel.

Plan your build exactly and don't change it mid-stream. The cheapest stock would be an A1 or A2, rifle length buffer tube. Then you can buy the cheaper buffer and spring. If you want any kind of adjustable stock, you're going to be talking to Slash about buying one of his buffers.

One last thing, misery seems to love company on the internet. Don't be surprised when you buy something that you found a few great reviews on and yours turns out to be a turd.

I have yet to see a guy that spent as much on a build and could've bought a GAP, POF, LWRC, LMT, whatever, come on to a forum and say it doesn't shoot. I have never seen anyone, on any forum, say yeah, I spent $2.5k building a rifle to my own specs and it's an honest 2 MOA rifle. If you want to see internet group denial in all it's grandeur, start talking to people that build FN FALs.

I am NOT saying that a person cannot build an accurate large AR platform. It's just not as simple as an AR15. Remember you're going to need to buy some specialized tools as well.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flynlow3</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just trying to find a tube/rail that fits armalite seems hard. any ideas on what forend to use? </div></div>

SWS
MI
Apex

To name a few. The Apex is nice, I have one on a 5.56 rifle. One of the lightest floating tubes I have seen. Very well made and I like the gator grip pattern.
 
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I have an Armalite and a good friend a DPMS of course they are not stock, they both have match barrels, I have a Noveske (pac nor) and he has a Benchmark, with many different loads of 155, 168 and 175 they both shoot under .75 MOA somtimes better at 100yds, we have taken these both way past 800yds with very good results.
either AR10 ot SR25 pattern will shoot.
hope this helps.
 
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fngmike,

Thank you for the input. I have a very tallented machinist gun nut on hand and I like the design/diy process just as much as I like shooting. I get satisfaction out of being able to say at the end...I DID THAT! Even if failure comes my way the fun in it for me is the accomplishment and working through the things that tries to stop you. My way is not for everyone but its how I get off. To each his own but I am going to try to make some nice rifles and if I fail, I will just fix the failures till I make them better. I work my day job to afford my projects while others work projects for extra money. No one said I was right lol!
 
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Here is my plan thus far now...

I purchased all the rifle length buffer tubes and plan to use the mag pul prs stock and A2 between the 3 rifles.

I have a hogan, timney, and APA "Gap" Trigger for the three already.

JP silet buffers already ordered.

JP lower parts kit minus the trigger

Armalite Lowers

Mag pul MOE+ handles

I want to use Daniel Defense hand gaurd/rails

I am thinking of ordering 4 Kreiger or Bartlein barrels

I will be purchasing 3 armalite BCG's If and this is a big IF i can find them anywhere in stock. Everything is out of stock

I also need to decide on gas block and tube. I like the Super sass adj. one but they are expensive!

I also need to find 3 armalite uppers "IN STOCK"
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gildoom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't count to ten in the presence of your rifle, it might sue you. </div></div>

I have been reading the whole "ten" discussion. Crazy!