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Red dot vs 1-4X

simo-waldron

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Which one is better for AR-15 Type ?

I'm thinking about Elcan DR 1-4x or Eotech XPS3-0 or SRS


Applications:
Home defense, target shooting and SHTF
 
Re: Red dot vs 1-4X

depends on what your doing with it. I can shoot both eyes open with a 1-4 scope but its still slower then a RD.
 
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For home defense, I vote for the Eotech (from the given choices). For anything else, I choose 1-4 every time.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: overkill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">depends on what your doing with it. I can shoot both eyes open with a 1-4 scope but its still slower then a RD. </div></div>

+1 on the above statement. I gave the 1-4 a full trial and ran it for a year, versus the EOtech that I had run for years previous. I got Schmidt and Bender Short dot and stuck it on top of a Noveske Afghan and shot the piss out of that setup. What I found was that with the clear glass and additional power of the Short Dot, I could engage steel targets quickly and easily from 80-430 yards with my Afghan and 75gr Black Hills ammo. Now, I took that same setup to a week long rifle class and ran drills with it, and inside of 100 yards, it was not near as fast as my Eotech. My face had to be right on the stock, and with the additional weight of the scope it was not as quick to move around with. During the same period, I took an Eotech 553 to a course and ran it out to 400yards, successfully-it just took a little imagination to figure out where to put the dot on the target. But, I was a heck of alot faster on all of the 100 yard and in stuff. Ultimately, I figure the scope has the edge on hitting small targets and for giving you stand off distance when identifying bad guys and seeing if they have weapons, etc, in a mil/le setting.

So, like was said before, it depends on your application. I have a low powered variable for 3 Gun and brush hunting, and I run an Aimpoint (now) for my short, home defense guns.

Oh, and one last point, I don't know what all the science is about it/why this is: but I do know that I can hang out of a moving vehicle at 60 miles an hour, and accurately (enough) shoot, support side, through a red dot site, and I just could not do that with a 1.5 powered ACOG. The lesson learned from that experience is that red-dot optic is WAY more forgiving in unconventional shooting positions-if that's a factor.
 
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Sorry to derail but here it goes.

Do 1-4's draw any light? I am going to build a 300blk for fun and hunting. Here in SC we can hunt 1hr before and after sunup/sundown. I have never used a 1-4 with a small objective and would like to know if it can draw any light 50-100yds. I am in the same boat with RD vs scope and it is going on an SBR, a big scope will look silly on a 8-9" gun in my opinion.

Thanks.
 
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I have a 1.5-4.5 on my wifes deerhunting rifle. a 16"6.8spcII. think it has a 32 or 35mm objective on it. but it works just fine shooting in low light, no, not as good at the 50mm lense on my REPR, but plenty good enough to hunt to last legal shooting light.
 
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Depend on your primary usage. For home defense an EoTech. for anything else the 1-4x.
 
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Why not split the difference and try the eotech with a 3x magnifier?

Im running a 1x4 now but will be giving that a go as soon as i can PU a 3x mag
 
Re: Red dot vs 1-4X

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: simo-waldron</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which one is better for AR-15 Type ?

I'm thinking about Elcan DR 1-4x or Eotech XPS3-0 or SRS


Applications:
Home defense, target shooting and SHTF </div></div>

If you have the money for the elcan personally I'd go short dot. I find the eye box on the elcan to suck ass on 1x, and is definitely tremendously slower for ME personally than a T1. S&B is still slower than a T1 but not prohibitively slow, and WAY better than the elcan in my experience. Also I heard they fixed the POI shift problem with the elcans but the one I had exhibited that problem, also I'm not a fan of shitty arms mounts. S&B will also take care of you, never seen better customer service in my life than from the guys in Ashburn.
 
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On my M4, I run the Eotech with the flip to side magnifier and love the flexibility it gives me. On the SCAR 17S though, I run a NightForce NXS 2.5-10x32 with a Trijicon RMR piggybacked & offset on the scope.
 
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There are proponents of the idea that low power variables are dominating and replacing the holographic and reflex market. While I believe that many of the new developments and capabilities of low power vari's have replaced some applications, I am convinced there will always be a place for an Eotech, Aimpoint or RMR.

Eotech and Aimpoint have addressed many said issues and continue to develop new products that have the same great idea into smaller packages (ie. Eotech's EXPS line and Aimpoints Micro) in my opinion, they are still the fastest CQB (for me) and in most cases the lightest *(AFTER factoring in the weight of most 1 piece mounts). The durability, unlimited eye relief, parralax, and being able to view from any angle makes it still my choice for home defense.

I'm a big fan of Eotech's reticle. Under a high stress situation, heart pounding, adrenaline pumping, unaware of a target's location/s i would feel most confident with the giant 65 moa ring and 1 moa center.

Target shooting may be a different story... I don't have ny hands on experience with the Elcan, but my understaning is that it is in a seperate league. I'm know there are plenty who are trained and swear by it. I like the idea of the throw lever for fast changes from 1-4. If you have the extra cash it's definetely worth considering for both roles.

Personally, I like having an optic for each purpose seperately...
I don't necessarily believe one style is superior to the other but more a matter of preference. If you have the opportunity to get behind each unit (at a range, store, friend...) might help in making that decision. Pick whichever you are most comfortable with, simplest to manipulate and whichever will most suit the conditions that you would likely use it in.

good luck with your choice-
 
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Get a red dot- hands down.
With a reasonably sized dot (ie, 1-4 MOA range) you can be perfectly effective both at close quarters/unconventional shooting positions, as well as out to a few hundred yards.
An aimpoint would be your best bet for sheer reliability, but one of the newer Eotech XP line would be ok as well, if you can put up the auto shutoff, and reduced battery life.

Also, and this is purely personal preference, I find the 1-4 magnification range to be a bit underwhelming. I'd personally want a 1-6 or 1-8x range.