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Johnny Football gets the Heisman

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    NEW YORK (AP) -- Johnny Football just got himself a way cooler nickname: Johnny Heisman.

    Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel became the first freshman to win the Heisman Trophy, taking college football's top individual prize Saturday night after a record-breaking debut.

    Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o finished a distant second and Kansas State quarterback Collin Klein was third in the voting. In a unique Heisman race, with two nontraditional candidates, Manziel broke through the class barrier and kept Te'o from becoming the first purely defensive player to win the award.

    Manziel drew 474 first-place votes and 2,029 points from the panel of media members and former winners.

    ''I have been dreaming about this since I was a kid,'' he said during his acceptance speech after hugging his mom, dad and kid sister.

    Manziel seemed incredibly calm after his name was announced, hardly resembling the guy who dashes around the football field on Saturday.

    Te'o had 321 first-place votes and 1,706 points and Klein received 60 firsts and 894 points.

    Just a few days after turning 20, Manziel proved times have truly changed in college football, and that experience can be really overrated.

    For years, seniors dominated the award named after John Heisman, the pioneering Georgia Tech coach from the early 1900s. In the 1980s, juniors started becoming common winners. Tim Tebow became the first sophomore to win it in 2007, and two more won it in the next two seasons.

    Adrian Peterson had come closest as a freshman, finishing second to Southern California quarterback Matt Leinart in 2004. But it took 78 years for a newbie to take home the big bronze statue. Johnny Football really can do it all.

    Peterson was a true freshman for Oklahoma. As a redshirt freshmen, Manziel attended school and practiced with the team last year, but did not play in any games.

    He's the second player from Texas A&M to win the Heisman - John David Crow took it home in 1957 - and did so without the slightest hint of preseason hype. Manziel didn't even win the starting job until two weeks before the season.

    Who needs hype when you can fill-up a highlight reel the way Manziel can?

    With daring dashes and elusive improvisation, Manziel broke 2010 Heisman winner Cam Netwon's Southeastern Conference record with 4,600 total yards, led the Aggies to a 10-2 in their first season in the SEC and orchestrated an upset at then-No. 1 Alabama in November that stamped him as legit.

    He has thrown for 3,419 yards and 24 touchdowns and run for 1,181 yards and 19 more scores to become the first freshman, first SEC player and fifth player overall to throw for 3,000 yards and run for 1,000 in a season.

    Manziel has one more game this season, against Oklahoma in the Cotton Bowl on Jan. 4.
     
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    Also proves a purely defensive player is absolutely incapable of putting up the numbers needed to "win" it. Not to take away from his ability as a DB, but Charles Woodson also returned punts and played WR the year he won.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clinto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">who else was more deserving?</div></div>

    Someone whose put up impressive numbers for more than one season
    </div></div>

    Lighten up, Mike. NO need to be negative just because Bama isnt in the national championship.
     
    #9
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clinto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But you can't name who that is?

    </div></div>

    Sure, what were Collin Klein's numbers for the last two years?

    How did Te'o do for the last two years?

    The only thing Johnny Football did two years ago was hope he could get a date for the prom.
     
    #10
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: maggot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clinto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">who else was more deserving?</div></div>

    Someone whose put up impressive numbers for more than one season
    </div></div>

    Lighten up, Mike. NO need to be negative just because Bama isnt in the national championship.</div></div>

    #15 is dedicated to Maggot.
     
    #12
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    Comparing "Johnny Football" to Newton makes Mike's sentiment a bull's eye IMHO.
    Newton got the Heisman for only one season of college football, IIRC. Sure, he was on a team some where else but I don't think I even heard his name before he wound up being bought by AU.
     
    #13
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Will</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ANY freshman QB that beats Bama deserves the Heisman !! BTW, has anyone seen the Irish Green AU ball caps ? AU logo on front, basic Irish green cap & a Shamrock on the side. So much for rooting for the friggin conference !!</div></div>

    I guess losers stick together.

    10:1 Johnny Football gets smoked by Bama next year.
     
    #14
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    I was NOT comparing Johnny to Cam. Johnny is a Freshman, Cam was a JR. I really would have liked to have seen Bama & USC duke it out for a national championship & a Huge Tsunami come into Miami and wipe both teams out !! That would take care of most disliked teams 1 & 2. Now I'll have to settle for 1 & 3.
     
    #15
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clinto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But you can't name who that is?

    </div></div>

    Sure, what were Collin Klein's numbers for the last two years?

    How did Te'o do for the last two years?

    The only thing Johnny Football did two years ago was hope he could get a date for the prom. </div></div>

    What did Mark Ingram do in 2008? 728yds rushing and 12 TDs. In 2009 he had 1658yds and 17 TDs.

    Toby Gerhart had 1136yds and 15 TDs in 2008 and 1871yds and 28 TDs in 2009.

    So by those numbers it looks like Gerhart had the better career (numbers wise). And what was Mark Ingram doing 2 years before he won his Heisman? Trying to find a date to the prom.

    I will cede that in 2009 Ingram's performances were against significantly better competition which is why he won. However he did not have the best career, but the best year. Which is what the Heisman is about, the best [offensive] player of a given season.
     
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    I was talking about ND and AU both getting whopped by Bama.

    I'm waiting to see what JF does over the next few years.

    Besides, isn't there a rule where if you go without a win in the SEC they kick you out of the conference? Good luck in the ACC Auburn!

    BTW, I knew USC didn't have a chance after their first game. It was pathetic.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Will</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ingram was a consolation prize ... poor AU held him to what ?? 23 yards. BFD.</div></div>

    It was actually 30 yards. Congratulations Auburn, you stopped the running back on the way to your defeat. But I guess when you're an Auburn fan you have to grasp at whatever straws you can find.
     
    #21
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    Well you seem to have this hate towards anything Auburn so I wonder if you aren't an UAT grad but I recall you are SoCal type so out of curiosity ... what is you degree from. I know what you weren't in the Navy, other than that, nada. You really like to stir the feces pot w/ SEC. It isn't worth my time to argue the 1st place (nat'l rankings) with UAT... some they deserve & others are ?? Anyway, what & where ? TY
     
    #24
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Will</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well you seem to have this hate towards anything Auburn so I wonder if you aren't an UAT grad but I recall you are SoCal type so out of curiosity ... what is you degree from. I know what you weren't in the Navy, other than that, nada. You really like to stir the feces pot w/ SEC. It isn't worth my time to argue the 1st place (nat'l rankings) with UAT... some they deserve & others are ?? Anyway, what & where ? TY</div></div>

    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Will</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How much plainer do I have to be , MIKE ??? Not only am I a fan but I graduated there. Therefore, AUBURN fan & Graduate. Clear enough ? Do I need to use phonetics ?</div></div>

    You don't need to use phonetics WILL but you may need to learn to communicate. Since you posted more than one reply while I was replying, allow me to address BOTH of your posts.

    First, what is a UAT grad? If you're referring to the University of Alabama I find it odd you refer to it as UAT as in 17 years of being familiar with that school I've never heard it referred to as UAT. Maybe that's a very old usage I'm not familiar with.

    My undergraduate degree is from the University of California Berkeley and no, I am not a liberal. I played football and rugby there. My MBA is from the Mihaylo College of Business at Cal State Fullerton.

    You are incorrect as I was in the Navy.

    My association with the University of Alabama is the legacy of my wife's family, where my wife and her sister are third generation graduates of the University of Alabama. I am willing to bet our children will attend that school barring scholarships awarded from another school.

    My "beef" with the SEC is the fact that the fans, the majority of which never attended an SEC school, act like football does not exist outside of the south. With the exception of about the past decade the SEC was just another conference and held no advantage in many categories. Even recently it's been shown that other teams/conferences can at least hang with the SEC. Some ignorant fans will try to claim Manziel's Heisman as an SEC "victory" and technically it is, however anyone with common sense knows that A&M this year was a Big 12 team and by beating Alabama shows that teams outside of the SEC can beat an SEC powerhouse.

    As I've mentioned to Ben, I give graduates such as yourself credit for pulling for your school. However as a fan, I'll think and say what I want. If you don't like it, tough shit.

    Are there any other questions I can answer for you?
     
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    If my legacy included "Berkeley football" I might grasp on to my wife's apron strings and root for her team too.

    Just so I understand correctly you didn't attend a SEC school right?
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hummerdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If my legacy included "Berkeley football" I might grasp on to my wife's apron strings and root for her team too.

    Just so I understand correctly you didn't attend a SEC school right?</div></div>

    I received a free education from one of the most prestigious academic institutions in the US if not the world. Also, that "Berkeley Football" got me a shot into the NFL.

    Now where did YOU play?
    Now where did YOU play?
     
    #28
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hummerdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If my legacy included "Berkeley football" I might grasp on to my wife's apron strings and root for her team too.

    Just so I understand correctly you didn't attend a SEC school right?</div></div>

    I received a free education from one of the most prestigious academic institutions in the US if not the world. Also, that "Berkeley Football" got me a shot into the NFL.

    Now where did YOU play?
    Now where did YOU play? </div></div>

    Im impressed, Mike...Berkeley...when did you gradate. Definately one of the premier schools...the only public that tops my alma...UVA. Where you guys really shine, though, is in your grad schools...from what Ive seen, overall the best grad programs in the country...almost all ranked in the top 5-6. Though we are usually given the "Most beautiful campus" because of the Jeffersonian association, its hard to beat studying under the Redwoods, or going up the Carillion and looking across the bay at SF. Only drawback is the liberal hippie types, but it takes all kinds.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beenjammin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Auburn in the ACC... Dont even say those words Mike.

    ... But I am glad JM got the Heisman. He was one outstanding QB. Not saying there were not other deserving players, but no one shocked the college football world like he did this year.</div></div>

    You know I'm pullin' your leg Ben; apparently you're the only AU fan with a sense of humor.

    I'm not saying JM isn't an outstanding football player. All I'm saying is if he did that over two-four seasons, I think it would be more deserving or warranted. Like I said, I've always seen the Heisman as a pinnacle of a great college career (even though I know it's a one year performance award) because most great athletes get better. I hope JM gets better and then I'll be on board.
     
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    Maggot, don't be impressed. I was only trying to convey that I'm not some dumb redneck with a beer in my hand and an axe to grind. I've got a little background which sometimes pushes me to be an opinionated asshole.

    It's a great school and wasn't nearly as crazy back in the eighties as it is now. I tried to get in the grad school, had the grades but wasn't hippy or Asian enough. The schools back east are beautiful. I actually served with a UVA grad and he was a top notch guy and very smart.
     
    #32
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    I have a sense of humor it just isn't turned on lately. Yessir, I know you were Navy (please re-read what I said & how), no slam. As for UAT ... Simple Univesity Alabama Tuscaloser. We do that keep up with the other UAs ... UAB, UAH etc. Besides Bummer fans hate that reference !!!

    Last but not least ... if I agreed to state that only graduates of schools qualified as fans then UAT would not have much of fan base in East AL !!!
     
    #33
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    I understand the shit gets flung quite a bit here and nerves get touched but that's all part of the fan base here in the south. Sometimes your team is the hammer, sometimes it's the nail. But every time you have to be able to stand with them thick or thin.

    I've never heard the UAT reference before but it makes perfect sense.

    Yep, and Auburn in West Alabama and Georgia and Florida and etc.
     
    #34
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    I kinda see both sides of the discussion on Johnny.
    He did have a great year....no doubt.
    On the other hand, he might not ever have another year like that, especially in the SEC. Usually, defenses catch up with these dual-threat QBs after their first big year.

    I somewhat like the idea of giving the Heisman to a "body of work", not one single fantastic year.

    Who else was worthy this year? I would have voted for Klein over Te'o in a heartbeat (not that I have a vote). I think Klein has a good body of work behind him. I'm not against a defensive player winning the Heisman, but it sure would be hard for one to win in my opinion simply because of how their success is measured versus a QB, RB or WR.

    If Manzeil (sp) has a similar year next year, he would be a shoe in. One hot-shot freshman year is definitely a tough sell....as you could tell by the votes. $5 says he won't have such a year next year. I'd be willing to be that most of the defenses will catch up with him.

    On the other hand....I'm just glad the award is in the SEC.

    The Heisman has kind of become like the Emmys of the Grammys. If the people with a mouthpiece can hype up a player enough, they can sway the voters. I remember early in the season they changed the list of Heisman hopefuls after every game.
     
    #35
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    They want Johnny boy to win 2 and be the second player to do so. I have a very bad feeling that if he keeps playing ball like he has been that one of those 300 lb + linemen is going to eventually smear him across the field. I hope he does not gt hurt trying to prove something.
     
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    As a UA graduate, I've never in my life seen UA referred to as UAT. I've seen and heard someone say University of Alabama (Tuscaloosa), but never UAT. Also, I don't give one fuck about where a fan graduated from. 90% of the douchebags that I've heard make a stink about that, were some fratastic barner who thought they were special because of who their parents chose to pay for their diploma.

    As for Johnny Football winning the Heisman.... It doesn't surprise me, but his 15 minutes of fame will end in a ligament injury. He is not a Heisman quarterback, he is a Heisman stat whore.
     
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    "were some fratastic barner who thought they were special because of who their parents chose to pay for their diploma."

    Excuse me !! Must have hit a sore spot. That's OK as Mike said , "You have to have a tough skin."

    I was the 1st in my family to attend college & graduate. Unc Sam paid as did I. Calling UA, UAT is an Auburn thing ... so many places UA is located and besides it heckles the West Alabama group.
    About like my son-in-law ...Bama being so wonderful, I wonder what is wrong with Bama if he had to find a wife from AUBURN !!! heh heh heh
     
    #38
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    Definitely a sore spot! It was only weeks ago that some little douchebag was treating a lady friend of mine like shit because she wasn't fortunate enough to meet the financial standards required to purchase a higher education. He was a freshman at AU. Unfortunately I wasn't aware of what was said until he was long gone. As a result, I take my anger out on you
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    As for the women.... If Southern Belle is your flavor, then AU is where you should shop. I acquired a taste for variety in my youth, so UA fit that bill quite well. My taste changes quite frequently, so I don't know nothin' about which school turns out a better wife. I do know that those AU girls can get a semen sample out of a bull much quicker than a UA girl
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    #39
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    The Heisman is a "beauty contest", the result of a subjective vote by people trying to decide who is the "best" college football player.

    The "body of work" crowd certainly took a hit this year with a freshman winning. Hard to argue that JM wasn't the best of 2012 with his stats plus schooling the Bammer's on their home field. I'm glad my Gators played A&M early before he got rolling. I'm afraid they'd have a tough time beating them now.

    Few things get otherwise calm, rational people fired up than a discussion of who's the best team, whats the best conference and who should've won the Heisman. Isn't college football great!?!
     
    #40
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    LoL, not much has changed in many years. I received my (free) college education in the great state of Alabama!! As a freshman coming from Louisiana I was amazed at the inbred hate between Auburn and and Alabama fans.

    I will certainly agree that both Alabama and Auburn consistently turns out herds of genuinely beautiful Southern Belles and I vividly remember keeping intimate company with many of both.

    I turned down scholarships to both Alabama and Auburn to play at South Alabama for Eddie Stanky. I have great friends who attended both schools, but mostly Alabama. I held a close friendships and trained with Steadman Shealy who if your very young was a great quarterback at Alabama, and Tom McClendon an outstanding shortstop there also.

    As far as fans go, let me see. I have the right to be a fan of whomever the hell I want to. I'm an LSU fan because I have many family and friends who graduated there, and if your born here they inject you as an infant with Tiger blood.

    I have a soft spot in my heart and a fan of Alabama football because I was there when Bear Bryant was making history. He was the epitome of College football.

    I'm Catholic and very much a fan of Notre Dame football and tradition.

    And I will criticize any damn one of the above when they deserve it and will praise them likewise.

    Oh and do I like Auburn??? Hell yes I do as I dated some of the finest women created by God from that school so there you go. Call it what you want, but that's how I roll.

    PS: since this is a Johnny Football thread, I'm with Mike I think the pick weakened the credibility of the Heisman Trophy. Granted he was a one hit wonder this year and his stats were incredible. I will be amazed and in awe if he is capable of continuing this level of performance
     
    #41
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beenjammin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They want Johnny boy to win 2 and be the second player to do so. I have a very bad feeling that if he keeps playing ball like he has been that one of those 300 lb + linemen is going to eventually smear him across the field. I hope he does not gt hurt trying to prove something. </div></div>

    Can almost guarantee he will. If not in college for sure in the pros. He is not built for that kind of abuse.
     
    #42
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shamrockcattle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beenjammin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They want Johnny boy to win 2 and be the second player to do so. I have a very bad feeling that if he keeps playing ball like he has been that one of those 300 lb + linemen is going to eventually smear him across the field. I hope he does not gt hurt trying to prove something. </div></div>

    Can almost guarantee he will. If not in college for sure in the pros. He is not built for that kind of abuse. </div></div>

    He looses most of his line next year, so yeah, you might say some defenses are going to use him for a rag. Mike may remember Pat Hayden when he was at USC or even Bishop Amat, without a good front line no QB is going to do much. With one, even somebody who couldn't SEE over his line can be great.
     
    #43
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    There is only one senior on his OL. Now the 2 tackles are projected 1st rounders so they will have a tough decision to make, but its not guaranteed that he will lose most of his line.
     
    #44
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dagsta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">PS: since this is a Johnny Football thread, I'm with Mike I think the pick weakened the credibility of the Heisman Trophy. Granted he was a one hit wonder this year and his stats were incredible. I will be amazed and in awe if he is capable of continuing this level of performance </div></div>

    How does it weaken it? I think it is about time they gave it to he best player and not for a body of work for four years. The Heisman trophy was never meant to be an award for a college career or best player on the best team. It is for the most outstanding player in that year, nothing else. I think it finally gives credibility back to the trophy.
     
    #47
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ol' RD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Being a Rabid Alabama fan. After watching him single handedly beat the best team in the country I started pulling for him to win it. </div></div>

    I agree and started routing for the kid too. Although I would have liked to see a Defensive player win.
     
    #48
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSF</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dagsta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">PS: since this is a Johnny Football thread, I'm with Mike I think the pick weakened the credibility of the Heisman Trophy. Granted he was a one hit wonder this year and his stats were incredible. I will be amazed and in awe if he is capable of continuing this level of performance </div></div>

    How does it weaken it? I think it is about time they gave it to he best player and not for a body of work for four years. The Heisman trophy was never meant to be an award for a college career or best player on the best team. It is for the most outstanding player in that year, nothing else. I think it finally gives credibility back to the trophy. </div></div>

    Completely agree, plus how can you be a "one hit wonder" if all he has is one hit.... He's batting a 1000, if he sucks it up the rest of his career, than by all means, let the criticism fly.

    I wouldn't be supprised if JM wins another Heisman, but it wont be done playing QB..........
     
    #49
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    Te'o should have won. He's the "QB" for the side of the ball that has kept ND -0. Johnny is the heat and he was the QB (actual) for the team that...well, didn't stay -0. Might as well make it an offensive only award.
     
    #50
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Indypendent</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Te'o should have won. He's the "QB" for the side of the ball that has kept ND -0. Johnny is the heat and he was the QB (actual) for the team that...well, didn't stay -0. Might as well make it an offensive only award. </div></div>

    My biggest reason for Te'o winning is after ESPN reviews all of the tape he misses only 2 tackles all season. And plays his position to near perfection. All the while inspiring his teammates to play better.
     
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