I have an AR that I use to shoot prairie dogs with and man it kills my ears. I was looking at getting a suppressor for it. And I was told you can get one threw a trust and I have some questions about it! Where do you get the forms? Is it the same for each state? How much does it cost and is the suppressor yours?
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Wear plugs dude. No reason not to prairie doggin. A lot cheaper and I mean a lot.
Wear plugs dude. No reason not to prairie doggin. A lot cheaper and I mean a lot.
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Whew, that's a lot of questions.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where do you get the forms?</div></div>
Which forms? There are a bunch of different types of forms in the NFA Process. The one you are most likely to be using is the Form 4, which transfers an already existing NFA item from someone else to yourself. If the supressor you want to buy is in a different state, you will need to fill out a Form 3, but your dealing will most likely handle that.
If you're asking if there are forms that exist for starting a trust, that's not really a thing. You could get buy a program like Quicken Trust and make one yourself, get a lawyer friend to fill one out for you, or go to www.guntrustlawyer.com and make them do all the leg work.They will find an attorney in your state, and they will basically hold your hand through the whole process.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it the same for each state?</div></div>
It's basically the same for every state, depending on if your state allows you to own NFA items.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How much does it cost?</div></div>
The cost of forming a trust is dependent on which route you go. The cheapest is having a lawyer friend, then using a trust forming program, and finally the most expensive is using the guntrust lawyer. It runs about $700 for everything.
Also there is the price of the suppressor plus a $200 fee for the tax stamp.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is the suppressor yours?</div></div>
Well kind of. It is the property of the trust, and anyone who is an authorized individual inside the trust can use it.
Whew, that's a lot of questions.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where do you get the forms?</div></div>
Which forms? There are a bunch of different types of forms in the NFA Process. The one you are most likely to be using is the Form 4, which transfers an already existing NFA item from someone else to yourself. If the supressor you want to buy is in a different state, you will need to fill out a Form 3, but your dealing will most likely handle that.
If you're asking if there are forms that exist for starting a trust, that's not really a thing. You could get buy a program like Quicken Trust and make one yourself, get a lawyer friend to fill one out for you, or go to www.guntrustlawyer.com and make them do all the leg work.They will find an attorney in your state, and they will basically hold your hand through the whole process.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is it the same for each state?</div></div>
It's basically the same for every state, depending on if your state allows you to own NFA items.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How much does it cost?</div></div>
The cost of forming a trust is dependent on which route you go. The cheapest is having a lawyer friend, then using a trust forming program, and finally the most expensive is using the guntrust lawyer. It runs about $700 for everything.
Also there is the price of the suppressor plus a $200 fee for the tax stamp.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is the suppressor yours?</div></div>
Well kind of. It is the property of the trust, and anyone who is an authorized individual inside the trust can use it.
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So sirdrinksalot what would you do but the suppressor with the tax stamp or start a trust
So sirdrinksalot what would you do but the suppressor with the tax stamp or start a trust
Re: Suppressor in a NFA trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nate220</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So sirdrinksalot what would you do but the suppressor with the tax stamp or start a trust </div></div>
The NFA trust is first, then you fill out your forms W/money and the 11 or so pages of the trust get sent in w/$200 along w F4.
Thats how I did mine..
Hit your local attys and see if any can do the trust as the link above wants $600 just to tell you who in your area does it. That may also mean driving 100 miles to that atty as there may not be one in your city he has contacts with.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nate220</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So sirdrinksalot what would you do but the suppressor with the tax stamp or start a trust </div></div>
The NFA trust is first, then you fill out your forms W/money and the 11 or so pages of the trust get sent in w/$200 along w F4.
Thats how I did mine..
Hit your local attys and see if any can do the trust as the link above wants $600 just to tell you who in your area does it. That may also mean driving 100 miles to that atty as there may not be one in your city he has contacts with.
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Again, a loaded question.
There are advantages & disadvantages to each. I mean with a $700 price tag, you could pay for the suppressor and tax stamp.
If you decide not to use a trust, you will have to get finger printed and ensure that your NFA forms are signed by a CLEO for each NFA item you buy.
If your local sheriffs office make a big fuss about it, or if you plan on buying lots of NFA items and can't be arsed to get finger printed for each one...you may want to go with a trust. Also you have the added option of being able to add other members of your family/friends to the trust so anyone can use those items. It also makes it easier to dispense of these items in the event of your death. The downside is, because it's a trust it becomes another legal asset incase someone were to sue you/or if you ever got divorced.
The CLEO in my area will not sign off on NFA items, so I bit the bullet and paid the fee. It makes it really easy to send off forms now though. I don't have to include fingerprints or a passport style photo. Just include the $200 and send it off.
Cliffnotes: if you plan on buying lots of NFA items and your CLEO won't sign off on it, it's better just to go with the trust route. On the other hand if your CLEO has no problems buying it and you'll only ever own 1 or 3 different NFA items, it will be cheaper not to go the trust route.
Again, a loaded question.
There are advantages & disadvantages to each. I mean with a $700 price tag, you could pay for the suppressor and tax stamp.
If you decide not to use a trust, you will have to get finger printed and ensure that your NFA forms are signed by a CLEO for each NFA item you buy.
If your local sheriffs office make a big fuss about it, or if you plan on buying lots of NFA items and can't be arsed to get finger printed for each one...you may want to go with a trust. Also you have the added option of being able to add other members of your family/friends to the trust so anyone can use those items. It also makes it easier to dispense of these items in the event of your death. The downside is, because it's a trust it becomes another legal asset incase someone were to sue you/or if you ever got divorced.
The CLEO in my area will not sign off on NFA items, so I bit the bullet and paid the fee. It makes it really easy to send off forms now though. I don't have to include fingerprints or a passport style photo. Just include the $200 and send it off.
Cliffnotes: if you plan on buying lots of NFA items and your CLEO won't sign off on it, it's better just to go with the trust route. On the other hand if your CLEO has no problems buying it and you'll only ever own 1 or 3 different NFA items, it will be cheaper not to go the trust route.
Re: Suppressor in a NFA trust
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 5spd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nate220</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So sirdrinksalot what would you do but the suppressor with the tax stamp or start a trust </div></div>
The NFA trust is first, then you fill out your forms W/money and the 11 or so pages of the trust get sent in w/$200 along w F4.
Thats how I did mine..
Hit your local attys and see if any can do the trust as the link above wants $600 just to tell you who in your area does it. That may also mean driving 100 miles to that atty as there may not be one in your city he has contacts with. </div></div>
Man I feel like I have stock in guntrustlawyer.com I've been repping them so much lately.
Actually consultation is free, and any fee you pay ($600 or $700, whichever) is for the service of forming your trust, helping with any questions afterwards, and any legal problems that emerge from the trust.
Also, the consultation and actual trust forming is all done over the phone. When I called, I asked a bunch of questions and when I was satisfied I asked them how to proceed from there. They then told me a lawyer in my area would contact me, which he did about 10 minutes later, and we did everything over the phone. A few days later I had the trust in hand, never stepped into a lawyers office one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 5spd</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nate220</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So sirdrinksalot what would you do but the suppressor with the tax stamp or start a trust </div></div>
The NFA trust is first, then you fill out your forms W/money and the 11 or so pages of the trust get sent in w/$200 along w F4.
Thats how I did mine..
Hit your local attys and see if any can do the trust as the link above wants $600 just to tell you who in your area does it. That may also mean driving 100 miles to that atty as there may not be one in your city he has contacts with. </div></div>
Man I feel like I have stock in guntrustlawyer.com I've been repping them so much lately.
Actually consultation is free, and any fee you pay ($600 or $700, whichever) is for the service of forming your trust, helping with any questions afterwards, and any legal problems that emerge from the trust.
Also, the consultation and actual trust forming is all done over the phone. When I called, I asked a bunch of questions and when I was satisfied I asked them how to proceed from there. They then told me a lawyer in my area would contact me, which he did about 10 minutes later, and we did everything over the phone. A few days later I had the trust in hand, never stepped into a lawyers office one.
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I used the guntrustlawyer.com also. Expensive ($500 when I did it?) but it was a breeze and totally legal. I've never had any trouble with the ATF over the legality of my trust. And it's great not having to wait on CLEO to sign off.
I used the guntrustlawyer.com also. Expensive ($500 when I did it?) but it was a breeze and totally legal. I've never had any trouble with the ATF over the legality of my trust. And it's great not having to wait on CLEO to sign off.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SirDrinksAlot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are advantages & disadvantages to each. </div></div>
I can only think of one downside to a trust and that's cost. However, it's only a one time deal and you can add multiple cans to the trust. My attorney did mine for $400. There is plenty of upside to a trust.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SirDrinksAlot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are advantages & disadvantages to each. </div></div>
I can only think of one downside to a trust and that's cost. However, it's only a one time deal and you can add multiple cans to the trust. My attorney did mine for $400. There is plenty of upside to a trust.
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199trust.com Compared one of these trusts to another that cost $700 and there was virtually no difference at all. You can fill out the app online and have it in hand same day. Some may be uncomfortable with how easy that is, but it works. Jim R
199trust.com Compared one of these trusts to another that cost $700 and there was virtually no difference at all. You can fill out the app online and have it in hand same day. Some may be uncomfortable with how easy that is, but it works. Jim R
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Quicken Willmaker is dirt cheap and the trust works just fine. $35
Quicken Willmaker is dirt cheap and the trust works just fine. $35
