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Rifle Scopes New Nightforce "B.E.A.S.T." & ATACR

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My guess is its a de-clutch mech , like the quick adjust knob on the British C2 sight , used on their 81mm Mortar & SFMG , in other words flip the catch and slip the knob quicking to any posn , with out clicks etc .

Later Chris
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: badshot338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was sure that was a typo when I read it too. But I ask this... What DOES it have for elevation adjustment? If it's not 120 MOA, then my point is still proven. </div></div>

I was able to get 27 mils out of my Schmidt.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remau308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: badshot338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was sure that was a typo when I read it too. But I ask this... What DOES it have for elevation adjustment? If it's not 120 MOA, then my point is still proven. </div></div>

I was able to get 27 mils out of my Schmidt.</div></div>



27x3.438=92.826 minutes compared to 120 minutes.
 
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Still, I can't say I've ever dialed more than 24 mils. 120 MOA is impressive, but the scope is nothing I was personally looking forward to.
 
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meh....

love NF, shot nothing eles in the past few years, but it may be time to move on.

considering leupolds mil program vs NF's, its really hard to consider a 3-15 f1 when you can go Mk8 3-25 considering the options and the glass quality.

while NF's BEAST may prove to be a monster, i dont think a scope is worth over 3k for recreational shooting especially on the east coast, where its tough to go past 1200 yards.

none the less, i hope they send some out for the PSR or 110 carbine test here in the next couple months or so. i would love to check it out and see how it stacks up against some of the other high end stuff in the test.

as for the ATACR, meh...
never had an issue with 100 mins of elevation,
its nice that they finaly catch up with swfa and vortex in terms of glass.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GUNNER10</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
its nice that they finaly catch up with swfa and vortex in terms of glass.


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Serious? I've never once liked my Razor or PST as far as glass goes. Both are decent scopes but i've never been impressed with glass. My 3-15 SFP NF is about equal to the Vortexs and my F1 blows the Vortex glass away. Never looked through a SWFA extensively so i can't comment there.
 
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A lot will depend on where NF decides to price-it in the market, given an elasticity point that probably hasn't yet been proven.

The Steiner 4-16 is a hell of a scope for two grand and the age-old SB 5-25x56 is unrealistically priced - more so as its quality goes down while its price goes up.

If NF asks upwards of four grand for this new scope it's chief benefit may be the number of 3.5-15s that it sells. On the other hand, if it comes in at $3,700 with a street price of $3,200 it might rule its class.
 
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I'll take a stab at it's functions. To me it would appear that the switch is an elevation quick adjust. Click right for say a 20 moa elevation and click left once to come down 20 moa. In the picture on the nightforce website it appears there is a window beside the switch to track how many moa you have moved. Would make sense as one revolution and one click of the lever would give you 60 moa. There also appears to be a 2 position switch on top of the lever. This to me would possibly be to change from 0.25 to 0.5 moa adjustments but without seeing other side of the scope not sure how this would be tracked. Now for the red button. I assume it is like a croosbolt safety. Red means no turn. Push down and have at it. Thats the best I could do based on the pics. Happy new year and shoot straight.
 
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The Beast.

Bitch, moan, complain, "hoping for 10Y parallax", fingers crossed.

Not a huge scope, Nice!

34 mils travel, Oh yeah! Despise 5 mil knobs for ELR!

Best glass in the rifle scope industry, No complaints here!

H-59, double Oh yeah!

New illume, thank God!

Tall elev knob, Oh well.

$3400, ouch, was hoping for less but expected it to be higher. Somebody buy my F1.

A 5-25 SFP, why?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A lot will depend on where NF decides to price-it in the market, given an elasticity point that probably hasn't yet been proven.

The Steiner 4-16 is a hell of a scope for two grand and the age-old SB 5-25x56 is unrealistically priced - more so as its quality goes down while its price goes up.

If NF asks upwards of four grand for this new scope it's chief benefit may be the number of 3.5-15s that it sells. On the other hand, if it comes in at $3,700 with a street price of $3,200 it might rule its class. </div></div>
Yep. And while waiting for BEAST, competitors have done something too:

http://www.steiner.de/military/rifle-scopes/07_telescopic-sight-military-3-15x50.php

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: badshot338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Schmitd & Bender PM II - 64 MOA of vertical adjustment
Premier Heritage - 100 MOA
I won't insult NF by assuming Bushnell, USO or leupold are even in the same catagory...
This BEAST - 120 MOA of vertical adjustment. Not to mention half of it in one rotation!
For this who are pushing the limits of what is possible when it comes to distance, who would not consider this a game changer?
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I guess March boys wouldnt be too impressed, since they have had 200MOA system for years already. New Henny with 110MOA turret and 137MOA internal travel comes also pretty close.
 
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it'll be an arm and a leg, and half a finger i'm sure.
 
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The BEAST certainly looks interesting. Can't wait to see one!

Seems to me they missed the mark big time with the SFP ATACR.
 
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Pricing for the regular MOA and Mil models will be less than a S&B 5-25x. Because of the Horus license fee, the Horus H59 and Tremor 2 models will be more expensive.

-Sean
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 7mmRM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The BEAST certainly looks interesting. Can't wait to see one!

Seems to me they missed the mark big time with the SFP ATACR. </div></div>

Some people like a SFP scope better
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 7mmRM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The BEAST certainly looks interesting. Can't wait to see one!

Seems to me they missed the mark big time with the SFP ATACR. </div></div>

I agree. It should have been FFP to compete with the new Bushnell Tactical Elite's coming at SHOT.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: palmik</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 7mmRM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The BEAST certainly looks interesting. Can't wait to see one!

Seems to me they missed the mark big time with the SFP ATACR. </div></div>

Some people like a SFP scope better </div></div>

Then offer both.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: badshot338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: remau308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: badshot338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was sure that was a typo when I read it too. But I ask this... What DOES it have for elevation adjustment? If it's not 120 MOA, then my point is still proven. </div></div>

I was able to get 27 mils out of my Schmidt.</div></div>



27x3.438=92.826 minutes compared to 120 minutes. </div></div>

I am able to get 117 moa in my S&B 5-25x56. The 64 moa on the website is due to the double-turn elevation knob. Once I set the zero I can take the turret 64 moa from the initial zero. That adjustment will get me as far as I need here in GA with a 100yd zero. For the westerners, to get to a mile they'll need something beyond a 100yd zero...
 
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Looks pretty nc starish to me, hope it can compete with top tier nc starz
 
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MSRP is $3400 for the standard BEAST reticles, although the Horus offerings are of course a few hundred more... Can't remember MAP offhand.

I'd expect street pricing to wind up closer to $3k by the end of the year.

The ATACR is essentially the same thing in a SFP format.

Also, it's worth pointing out that there's some very cool new Competition models maxing out at 55x...not the thing for many here, but still interesting to see offered.

The new 1-4 and 2.5-10 offerings are also including throw levers (that are removable), clearly geared towards the 3 gun market (as if the new reticle name weren't an obvious enough hint).

I ordered up the new ones...I'm damned excited to finally see Nightforce catching up with what the other companies have done these past 24 months.
 
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The only thing I don't like are the acronym's. Why does everyone have to come up with an acronym for everything, they should have just called it the BEAST and when asked why the response would be "because it's a FUCKING BEAST! that's why". As for the ATACR, once again, gay acronym. Just call it the NXS XL or some shit.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: badshot338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man, this place is vicious! For years I frequented this sight and listened to everyone whimpering about NF not having a FFP 5.5-22. People call for greater adjustment for you to push the envelope. You ask for locking turrets.

Nightforce makes a new optic that unfortunately isn't a 5.5-22 FFP. Instead they make a 5-25 which has even greater magnification range. They make one with a 34mm body tube that transfers more light and gives 120 MOA of adjustment. Not to mention 60 MOA per rev which allows most shooters to transition from zero out to the ballistic capabilities of most of your cartridges in one rotation. It has better resolution. They make it with a locking turret. My god, what more could they have done!? They call it a BEAST. Bad name, I get it and it has some obnoxious red on it. Most of the people I assume this optic was initially built for aren't going to care what they call it and they are going to spray paint it with some desert colors.

While you were all speculating, I called NF about it. The button on top engage the locking mechanism of the turret. The lever on the back is a fine adjust. So each click it 1/2 MOA or .2 Mil's. The lever is a fin adjust so you have a 34.75 MOA drop at "X" distance, you adjust 34.5 MOA with the turret and flip the lever to adjust the extra .25 MOA. I think its actually quite interesting but I do admit I would have liked it to be 1 MOA per click and a three position lever for .25 MOA per click. Or .5 Mils per click on the turret and .1 Mil per click on the lever. They said the illumination is a push button set up which is the gold portion of the parallax/focus turret.

Why in the heck would they make a 22x FFP when they made the BEAST? First focal pane scopes cost more to make. That's why they cost more to buy. Gee wiz, how bout that... If they made a FFP 5.5-22 wouldn't you think it would cost close to $3,000?

Oh, and when I was talking to them, they said it will retail for $3,400. I think NF did a fine job of listening to everyone including the military and made something that will compete on the highest level.

I will be ordering one the first day they become available. I can't wait to try it! </div></div>

Here's what you're missing. Shooters were asking NF for a FFP a couple years ago, which is ages in this industry. While NF was putting together a new FFP package, the competition got there first and even worse, they were good. Bushnell, SWFA, Vortex, Leupold; if you told me last year that these names would be consistently winning matches I woulda called you crazy. And apparently NF didn't see it coming, either.

I'm not slamming NF, in fact they're one of my favorite scopes, but that explains why everyone is underwhelmed by this release(again, we don't have all the info so this is subject to change).

The market has changed since the NXS debuted, and with HDMRs, Razors, SS5-20s, Leupold Mk6, etc already out there and available, it just feels like another entry into a quickly crowding market.

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hewlett260</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only thing I don't like are the acronym's. Why does everyone have to come up with an acronym for everything, they should have just called it the BEAST and when asked why the response would be "because it's a FUCKING BEAST! that's why". As for the ATACR, once again, gay acronym. Just call it the <span style="font-weight: bold">NXS XL</span> or some shit. </div></div>

lol that's an acronym
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I would like to put my hands on the BEAST, but when it comes to turrets, those turrets just seem Huge...
I tend to prefer the low pro March turrets, The new NF illumination looks very similar to the March as well.
http://www.deon.co.jp/march/March-FX.htm
 
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Im very interested in the BEAST. I assume that NF went further than just making the BEAST a FFP ATACR for a reason. Lowlight said he was "floored" after seeing the BEAST at a past shot show. He's just impresionable I guess!

I think that ruling it out because of its name is incredibly stupid... but I myself am very attached to simple 1/10th mil turrets... so we shall see...
 
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Interesting effort after such a long wait, but:

I like simpler stuff (no need nor want for preset settings and additional buttons/levers)

I prefer larger clicks (always more foolproof and user friendly)

I have no need for 60 MOA in one rotation (who does really?)

Plus I think is FUGLY
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A simpler F1 in 5.5-22X (or larger zoom ratio) with zero stop and 10 mil/revolution, and better illumination control would fit me better.
 
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I wonder if there is any plan to put this upgraded ED glass in the 3.5-15 F1?
 
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This is all about a military contract, the private market will never buy the volume the military will buy, the press release said military like 25 times. What this market buys is gravy on top of the military contract.
 
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Plus, if you don't like the features, don't use them, set the elevation how you want it and forget it....the problem is you still have to pay for them....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 30caluser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is all about a military contract, the private market will never buy the volume the military will buy, the press release said military like 25 times. What this market buys is gravy on top of the military contract. </div></div>z

Did they get a contract for it? Far as I know, the PSR contract is awarded to S&B.
 
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wonder if that lever on the back as someone mentioned the old unertls, it could also be called a veneer adjustment just like those scopes had. wonder if this scope could be used with a BDC turret and just use the veneer adjustment to adjust for differences in conditions from baseline of the marked turret.

some people are just haters I can't believe all the comments from people dogging the scope when noone except lowlight actually knows how the scope works!!!! everyone is saying FFP FFP, FFP has its own set of drawbacks. I contend you really don't want to be using the features of most reticles at less than high power in situations where you actually need the reticle ie long range shooting. SFP does this just fine. I think nightforce wants this scope to be seen as different, the name beast I don't have a problem with.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tylerw02</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 30caluser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is all about a military contract, the private market will never buy the volume the military will buy, the press release said military like 25 times. What this market buys is gravy on top of the military contract. </div></div>z

Did they get a contract for it? Far as I know, the PSR contract is awarded to S&B. </div></div>

My understanding is a lot have shipped to the military and there are different levels of support... just because a big public contract is known, that doesn't take away from the others out there. NF works very closely with the military, Crane puts these on a lot of guns.

And I agree with Cummins Cowboy,

A lot of you guys who dont' have scope that are half as good as anything NF puts out are dogging what you don't know based on some vague text and unclear images.

Tough guys without a clue of what it takes to put these things out.

Even if it got the best reviews across the board, you still wouldn't buy and feel the need to make yourself feel big by putting it down, without knowing anything about it.

Personally with the bad run of S&Bs I have had in the last year, you'll more than likely find them falling to the wayside. I can honestly say, none of my NF have let me down like my last two S&Bs have, and my original that died at Gunsite...(I cut that one slack it had long hard use_) They <span style="text-decoration: underline">had</span> a great track record for me, but until they get their act back together, options are out there. Between QC and pricing going up, it;s worth exploring what different companies are offering. I know I am, and I have invested in over 15 S&Bs, you'll be lucky if you see me using 5 of those, and 3 are 4-16x.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TiroFijo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Interesting effort after such a long wait, but:

I like simpler stuff (no need nor want for preset settings and additional buttons/levers)

I prefer larger clicks (always more foolproof and user friendly)

I have no need for 60 MOA in one rotation (who does really?)

Plus I think is FUGLY
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A simpler F1 in 5.5-22X (or larger zoom ratio) with zero stop and 10 mil/revolution, and better illumination control would fit me better.</div></div>

I kind of agree with Tiro. Looking at the specs of the ATACR and a standard 5.5-22x56 there are a few differences. The power range obviously but 3x on the top end isn't that much of a change. Glass sounds like it's supposed to be better but we will see when they hit the streets and full production models get reviewed.

20 MOA more elevation on the ATACR but 100 MOA on the standard 5.5-22 is alot. People who harp on a little more elevation after the 100 mark probably don't understand how much 100 MOA is. You can shoot a .308 to about a mile with that much elevation. A 300WM shooting a 208 AMAX at 2950fps takes about 90 MOA to get to 2000 yards. These are far distances and more than most shooters will use so an extra 20 MOA is nice but nothing most will use.

The ATACR is shorter by .9" but it weighs 6oz more as well.

I think NF did miss the mark in not making the ATACR a FFP scope when it doesn't give the shooter much more than the standard 5.5-22 does already. Also you get more reticle choices in the standard 5.5-22x.

As for the BEAST, haven't see one in person so can't really comment on it's workings. Would be interested to get a full rundown on how it works before passing judgement on the new knob set up.
 
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The clicks are larger...

.2 Mil is how you get to 60MOA in a turn, or .5 MOA ... you can then flick your thumb and get the finer adjustments, still one handed operation, very Unertl like and that worked for the USMC.

Not understanding and overlaying mischaracterizations of how it works is just lame.

With the 34mm tube and the new glass that is why you are adding weight. Changing the glass and coatings changes the characteristics, one fix creates another problem. So you have to balance the fixes and problems... slightly more weight because of slightly better glass.

Agreed the ATACR should have been in FFP too, but for NF, SFP is their bread and butter... they sell more SFP (I know if they offered more FFP it might change that) but they are sticking with what works.
 
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Frank, how many of these production models are currently in the hands of military? Any idea?

I'm one of the guys that's disappointed with what has been released, but I hope you wouldn't call my scopes "not half as good" as "anything NF puts out". Frankly, it doesn't matter to me what it takes to put it out that I have no clue of. I'm a consumer and only interested in the final product for what it is, not what it took Nightforce to get there. I'm waiting to see what is so revolutionary that it will make me a better shooter for having it. If its there I may likely buy one. So far, I don't really see it. Guess I'll have to wait til Shot to see the video from guys that are smarter than I am to explain to me why I need it and how its going to make me a better shooter. .
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok this is purely a business standpoint comment. I know all of us love to see the new tactical stuff but wouldn't the company sell more scopes if they sold a 40mm version that was geared more toward all around use to include hunting. say a 40mm version of the 3-15 model. it seems like the new product is focused to a small niche market. but what do I know </div></div>

Zeiss has a new Conquest model out that matches what you are describing, more or less.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JCH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">frank will the ATACR have the upgraded glass?</div></div>

From NF

Fully multi-coated ED glass results in light transmission values of over 90%, brilliant images and exceptional color contrast. A magnification range of 5x to 25x, and a wider field of view as a result of its unique optical prescription (17.96 feet at 5x) will cover virtually any situation a shooter could encounter.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And I agree with Cummins Cowboy,

A lot of you guys who dont' have scope that are half as good as anything NF puts out are dogging what you don't know based on some vague text and unclear images.

Tough guys without a clue of what it takes to put these things out.

Even if it got the best reviews across the board, you still wouldn't buy and feel the need to make yourself feel big by putting it down, without knowing anything about it.
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+1.

The thing is every ones idea of optics quality, requirements, suitability for purpose of the product is different.

A guy shooting a 308 has very different wants/needs than a guy shooting a 375.

I want to be able to shoot & dial as far as possible from a sensible 100 yard zero.

So the S&B in moa is useless for <span style="font-weight: bold">ME</span> & <span style="font-weight: bold">MY</span> requirements for the product, 65 moa just won't cut it when I can dial 80 moa+ to get to 2550 yards+ without using the reticle in my NSX's or The IORs when I had them.

The NF glass has always been behind the Euro glass to a greater or lesser degree; my Hi-speed NSXs seem a lot better than my earlier ones in this regard, but still behind.

The increase in top mag from 22-25 is great & very usable it is an increase of over 10% after all.

I will finally get a couple of Premiers soon after ordering them last May
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With the Atacr & Beast available soonish I hope I don't regret getting them
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The new NF models are a great thing for us & finally using HD Euro glass is a step forward
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Nightforce 5-25x56 ATACR in FFP at a price of around $2800 would have been great!

The Mil-R reticle looks awesome.

Despite my reservations with the BEAST, I think I'll pick one up.

I didn't read anything about when they'd actually start shipping. Is there an actual date set for release?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: c1steve</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok this is purely a business standpoint comment. I know all of us love to see the new tactical stuff but wouldn't the company sell more scopes if they sold a 40mm version that was geared more toward all around use to include hunting. say a 40mm version of the 3-15 model. it seems like the new product is focused to a small niche market. but what do I know </div></div>

Zeiss has a new Conquest model out that matches what you are describing, more or less. </div></div>

while that line is interesting it still is totally designed for the hunter. no mention of zero stop and it still uses a 1" tube which I personally don't understand maybe they are worried about encroachment on the more expensive models they offer.

to sum it up is everyone going to be happy with what NF is bringing out?? I don't think they could offer a scope to satisfy everyone. but to bash them for what they do offer that is new especially without having a real clue of what the product actually does is foolish. I personally would rather NF and other optics makers stick with a 30mm tube. the extra 20 MOA means nothing to me and 95% of other tactical shooters. like someone else mentioned 100 moa will get you to a mile, what they didn't say was the extra 20 moa only gets you and extra 200 YARDS more beyond that!!! I personally would rather seen a 40 mm model with all the features of the 3.5-15x50 just trimmed down where it could be.

but I don't run the company they know what they think will work for them and who am I to say what they should do or offer. lets wait until there is some video out there. lets wait until we really know what they scope is supposed to do. Lowlight promised its like nothing we have ever seen. and lastly if you don't like it don't freaking buy it.
 
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Hopefully I will get a chance to play with it at SHOT show and come to my own conclusion as to its strong/weak points. I think hands on experience is better than just going on what someone in marketing wrote up to fill up space.
 
Re: New Nightforce "B.E.A.S.T." & ATACR

<span style="font-size: 17pt"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">This is pure speculation</span>, </span></span>but who's to say Nightforce isn't going to come out with a FFP ATACR a little down the road?

Again, just a guess but think about this: With the BEAST being this long in development, I could see NF not wanting to take the attention off of the BEAST. Also, since the 3.5-15x FFP scope and now the BEAST are made in the US, I bet they can only make so many scopes at any one time and it will be everything they can muster to just make the BEAST, let alone the BEAST and another 5-25x FFP.

Good, bad or ugly, I'm holding judgement until I can play with these as the computer screen only says so much, but I am very much looking forward to seeing these scopes. From what I've been told, the glass is nothing short of amazing on the new scopes. Also, based upon the existing product line that, how would anything with Nightforce written on the side not be worth some consideration?

Just my two pennies worth.

-Sean

P.S. If you really want a FFP ATACR, I'd send NF an email saying so at: [email protected]. I'm sure enough people directly contacting them would help push things along.
 
Re: New Nightforce "B.E.A.S.T." & ATACR

I like Nightforce.I have no doubt these scopes will maintain the Nightforce name.
 
Re: New Nightforce "B.E.A.S.T." & ATACR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sales@MileHigh</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 17pt"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">This is pure speculation</span>, </span></span>but who's to say Nightforce isn't going to come out with a FFP ATACR a little down the road?

Again, just a guess but think about this: With the BEAST being this long in development, I could see NF not wanting to take the attention off of the BEAST. Also, since the 3.5-15x FFP scope and now the BEAST are made in the US, I bet they can only make so many scopes at any one time and it will be everything they can muster to just make the BEAST, let alone the BEAST and another 5-25x FFP.

Good, bad or ugly, I'm holding judgement until I can play with these as the computer screen only says so much, but I am very much looking forward to seeing these scopes. From what I've been told, the glass is nothing short of amazing on the new scopes. Also, based upon the existing product line that, how would anything with Nightforce written on the side not be worth some consideration?

Just my two pennies worth.

-Sean

P.S. If you really want a FFP ATACR, I'd send NF an email saying so at: [email protected]. I'm sure enough people directly contacting them would help push things along. </div></div>

what if FFP is overrated in actual use and has definite downsides many are forgetting, as mark levin would say thats right I said it
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Re: New Nightforce "B.E.A.S.T." & ATACR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cummins cowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sales@MileHigh</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-size: 17pt"><span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">This is pure speculation</span>, </span></span>but who's to say Nightforce isn't going to come out with a FFP ATACR a little down the road?

Again, just a guess but think about this: With the BEAST being this long in development, I could see NF not wanting to take the attention off of the BEAST. Also, since the 3.5-15x FFP scope and now the BEAST are made in the US, I bet they can only make so many scopes at any one time and it will be everything they can muster to just make the BEAST, let alone the BEAST and another 5-25x FFP.

Good, bad or ugly, I'm holding judgement until I can play with these as the computer screen only says so much, but I am very much looking forward to seeing these scopes. From what I've been told, the glass is nothing short of amazing on the new scopes. Also, based upon the existing product line that, how would anything with Nightforce written on the side not be worth some consideration?

Just my two pennies worth.

-Sean

P.S. If you really want a FFP ATACR, I'd send NF an email saying so at: [email protected]. I'm sure enough people directly contacting them would help push things along. </div></div>

what if FFP is overrated in actual use and has definite downsides many are forgetting, as mark levin would say thats right I said it
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What's the downside?
 
Re: New Nightforce "B.E.A.S.T." & ATACR

The main advantage for second focal plane scopes is that the reticle does not get magnified as power increases. That allows you to aim more precisely at high magnification. If I were shooting benchrest that might matter, but for tactical matches the advantages of FFP completely outweigh any perceived downsides of your reticle changing size.