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Magpul Threatens To Leave Colorado

brianidaho

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http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/02/13/co...-law-is-passed/

ERIE, Colo. (CBS4) – A Colorado company is threatening to leave the state if a bill to ban high-capacity ammunition magazines becomes law.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CBS4 Investigator Rick Sallinger toured the company in Erie. They said they would certainly prefer to stay.

The company is called Magpul. Among other products, they make ammunition magazines which can hold up to 30 rounds. Tuesday night a state House committee took the first step towards banning them.</div></div>

Anyone know any corporate recruiters that might help draw them to North Idaho???
 
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That is awesome! We need more big players in the industry to make a stand like this. Imagine Ruger, etc. pulling out of CT and moving to pro-liberty, right to work states.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adam B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">move to michigan </div></div>

+1
 
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The country is more divided now than it ever was. Sad to see it happen. Let's see how these liberals feel when manufacturers start leaving their states and take all that revenue with them.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adam B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">move to michigan </div></div>

Or Texas. They could move in next to Larue out in the pasture.
 
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Idaho is very gun friendly too!
 
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That's great. They should all leave states that threaten the 2nd amendment. These issues certainly have had an impact on where I purchase homes.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: superde</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adam B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">move to michigan </div></div>

Or Texas. They could move in next to Larue out in the pasture.</div></div>

That would be a conflict of interest. Magpul is still taking care of local govt/LE and MIL guys across the country with the steady supply of magazines. Larue would probably give them dirty looks.
 
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Tennessee is a great place as well. lots of the Corporations already moved here. Its very gun friendly plus a Class III state.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: akrapovic</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adam B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">move to michigan </div></div>

+1 </div></div>

+2
 
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Remington is threatening to leave NY, and I hate to say it, because it will cost 1,200 jobs directly, and a crap load of other jobs in the area, but it is time to hit Premier Cuomo hard. We are trying to fight in this huge state controlled by one small area down by NJ.
 
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I hate to say it but hitting back in the wallet is the only way to fight this crap. Let those that voted for restrictions explain the loss in tax revenue and the unemployment that will come with Magpul leaving.

The manufacturers have to realize that if civilian gun ownership is curtailed there is only going to be so much govt work to fulfill. Likely the industry will be eliminated and one or two suppliers will be left to become the new Springfield and Rock Island Arsenals.

For our troops they will suffer a bureacratic weapons developement system that will fail to be innovative and the tax payers will pay for it at an innefficient, greatly bloated cost.
 
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Send this or similar to other manufacturers. I live in MA, I'm hoping Smith and Wesson will throw down the gauntlet to Obamas mini me - Gov patrick.

Dear Sir/Madam,

I would like to thank you for your support of the firearms community. For whatever lawful reasons Americans choose to use your products you have tried to provide them with quality and good service. Your efforts further promote American manufacturing at a time when jobs are desperately needed. Thank you.

As a business and individual you were surely struck by the horror of the heinous crime committed at Newtown. The purpose to which a mentally ill person used a firearm does not represent the values of your company or of your customers.

Since that crime a strong effort has been made to shift responsibility to law abiding firearms owners and the businesses that support them. This is wrong and in opposition to the principles of America. One sick person misused a firearm that day in Newtown. His victims are the most aggrieved and the loss will never be made whole. His collateral damage includes the psyche of America, businesses such as yours, the workers at your plants and millions of law abiding firearms owners.

I'm sure your industry is paying close attention to new proposed legislation and you are in agreement with your customers that the legislation most eagerly sought is not going to be effective in stopping crime. Part of this effort has included trying to separate businesses from their law abiding customers. The thinking is that “responsible” businesses will support infringing Americas Second Amendment rights.

I ask were you “irresponsible” in the way you conducted business or supported your customers prior to Newtown?

It is necessary for the firearms community to stand united at this time.

I ask that your business publicly support your right to free commerce and the right of law abiding Americans to exercise those rights protected from government intrusion by our Constitution.

I will not support any business that joins with limiting a citizens access to the firearms our Second Amendment recognizes as necessary for self defense and protection from tyrannical government, nor do I respect a business that maintains its silence in this most urgent debate.


Keep in mind that those that propose to strip us of our rights are the same crowd that is calling for public investment funds to divest its holdings in any firearms related business. It is your choice to stand with those that have supported you monetarily in the past and will do so in the future or to stand with those now vilifying you and trying to damage your financial base.

Respectfully,
 
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KS has a great place near Parsons KS its the old Ammo plant land that is being renovated its a huge tract that is supoosed to be turned over to an economic development group called the Great Plains developmental athourity. It has a rail haul loop and is easy accesss to good highway's. I would love to see Remington or S&W, Magpul, Marlin anyone come in and set up shop that would be great for the economy.
 
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Dear Magpul,
Please consider Utah as your next location once you are forced to leave CO do to the growing hippie infestation there.
You can join with several other major manufacturers in the firearms industry in our imminently gun friendly state (we are the only state with an official State Gun, after all). SilencerCo, Barnes, Desert Tactical Arms, and many more make their homes here and we would like to welcome you with open arms to our beautiful and gun friendly state.
Love,
Utah
 
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Dear Magpul please consider Arizona home of the SMM3GUN match. We use alot of your products. And have a large shooting population. We also have a large firearms industry. And I will donate $10.00 for gas money to help you with the move.
 
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Any of them are welcome in my small town, companies that are we're here are going to shut down, have or have moved production some to Mexico.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mustafa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dear Magpul,
Please consider Utah as your next location once you are forced to leave CO do to the growing hippie infestation there.
You can join with several other major manufacturers in the firearms industry in our imminently gun friendly state (we are the only state with an official State Gun, after all). SilencerCo, Barnes, Desert Tactical Arms, and many more make their homes here and we would like to welcome you with open arms to our beautiful and gun friendly state.
Love,
Utah </div></div>

As eloquent as that was, Michigan already had a double stamp. You can't triple stamp a double stamp. We win!
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More Pmags for me!
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Florida, we have the hottest chicks and great weather all year round. No state income tax, a population of Cuban Americans who fear communism so much they are all armed very very well, the farmers in the middle and the hillbillys up north who are armed better than the Cuban American population. The only thing we are missing is mountains. We also have no state income tax, 3 NFL teams, 2 baseball teams, a hockey team or two, basketball teams,,,, did I mention hot chicks. Very gun friendly, cops are pretty cool too(mostly). Did I mention no income tax?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mustafa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dear Magpul,
Please consider Utah as your next location once you are forced to leave CO do to the growing hippie infestation there.
You can join with several other major manufacturers in the firearms industry in our imminently gun friendly state (we are the only state with an official State Gun, after all). SilencerCo, Barnes, Desert Tactical Arms, and many more make their homes here and we would like to welcome you with open arms to our beautiful and gun friendly state.
Love,
Utah</div></div> And one of the "big boys", Browning is based there too.

It's going to be a tough fight in Colorado against that bill, and I certainly hope it doesn't come to them moving, but I say Bravo Magpul for taking a hard stand.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hookman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tennessee is a great place as well. lots of the Corporations already moved here. Its very gun friendly plus a Class III state. </div></div>
The way Tn laws are it could be ok but I'm not sure the senior ATF investigator knows the laws as written by the ATF. I know 2 different companies that were considering opening manufacturing businesses in Tennessee and have decided to go elsewhere rather than deal with the extra trouble. There are 2 different kinds of agents. Ones that consider it a job and enforce the laws as written and those that think everyone is doing something wrong and want to knock some heads.
I saw a congress woman from Tn on TV not long ago. She sounded good, intelligent and hit the points she needed to.
As far as Magpul, I think the hi cap ban will be nationwide at some point.
 
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Not only Magpul but DPMS and a host of other major manufactures are going to be looking for a new place to call their "Home" if all this craziness continues.

I would like say that Wyoming would be more than happy to welcome you with open arms! We like guns, we like jobs, and we don't like people telling us how to do what we love!
 
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I second this!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: superde</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adam B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">move to michigan </div></div>

Or Texas. They could move in next to Larue out in the pasture.</div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: FlyingGoose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not only Magpul but DPMS and a host of other major manufactures are going to be looking for a new place to call their "Home" if all this craziness continues.

I would like say that Wyoming would be more than happy to welcome you with open arms! We like guns, we like jobs, and we don't like people telling us how to do what we love!

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Amen Brother, i'm sure we can find a place for both.


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It would be great if we could convince ALL firearms and related manufacturers to move out of ALL anti-gun states and create more industry in more pro-gun states. More of the pro-gun folks stuck in anti-gun states could perhaps migrate with them.

Further, it would be nice to convince more of these manufacturers to give civilian orders priority - certainly while we're facing the ban.

FedGov and LE can get in line. Tyrants can wait.
 
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Creedmoor sports is moving to Alabama from Cali, Magpul is more than welcome here as well. They even offer tax subsidies to established companies moving in that bring manufacturing jobs.

Come on down!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SFC Carpentier jr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">TX would be a good choice. As GOV Perry is if you do not like the gun laws in your state come to TX. </div></div>
And no state income taxes
 
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I think after they ship all the backorders on PMags they ought to be able to afford to move anywhere .... like Texas.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 021411</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: superde</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Adam B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">move to michigan </div></div>

Or Texas. They could move in next to Larue out in the pasture.</div></div>

That would be a conflict of interest. Magpul is still taking care of local govt/LE and MIL guys across the country with the steady supply of magazines. Larue would probably give them dirty looks. </div></div>

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I'm betting you will see more manufacturers follwing LaRue and Barret's suit soon. I bet you see it from Magpul soon, as well, hopefully.
 
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Texas is considered the #1 business friendly state in in the US currently on several polls. Just sayin...
 
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Why not move to ND? Has the some of the lowest unemployment along with that, it's one of the states out of debt. It's also one of the other gun loving states.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SNIPERTARGET</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if limit-law-is-passed/

if brother IF</div></div>


Even during its decline, Sparta never forgot its claims on being the "defender of Hellenism" and its Laconic wit. An anecdote has it that when Philip II sent a message to Sparta saying "If I enter Laconia, I will raze Sparta", the Spartans responded with the single, terse reply: "If."
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SNIPERTARGET</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if limit-law-is-passed/



if brother IF</div></div>

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/c...h-capacity-ammo

After about 6 hours of debate, members of the Colorado House on Friday afternoon gave preliminary approval of a bill to banning high-capacity ammunition magazines.

"An overreaching majority of Coloradans support limiting these high-capacity ammunition magazines and it's our job in the legislature to implement the will of the people," said House assistant Majority Leader Dan Pabon, D-Denver.

Republicans could force a roll call vote later today on the bill, otherwise a final House vote will be taken on Monday.

The vote came after Republicans implored members to vote against what they called a "flawed" measure that would infringe on Second Amendment rights and kill jobs.

"It's not good for Colorado and I urge that we do what's right and kill this bill," said House Minority Leader Mark Waller, R-Colorado Springs.

In a last-minute effort to kill the bill, Denver-based Alfred Manufacturing, announced Friday afternoon that if the measure passes, the company will leave the state.

The move follows the announcement from Magpul, Colorado's largest and most profitable high capacity ammunition magazine manufacturer.

Republicans leadership said it will present the a letter from Alfred on the House floor.

"We are a third-generation Colorado company that has been committed to this state since my grandfather founded the company in 1948," Greg Alfred, the company's chief executive, writes in the letter. "However, if House Bill 1224 passes, we will plain and simply have no choice but to relocate part or all of our operations to another state."

Alfred also said that the bill has caused him to freeze a planned expansion of plans in Colorado.

Members of the state House Friday continued hours of debate over whether there should be a ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines in Colorado.

The measure is sponsored by state Rep. Rhonda Fields, D-Aurora, and passed on a party line vote out of the House Judiciary Committee Tuesday.

Opening remarks on the House floor surrounded a committee report that increases a ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines from 10 to 15 rounds. Much of the debate also centered around a Democratic amendment to the bill that clarifies manufactures can make and sell high-capacity magazines to individuals out-of-state and the U.S. military. The amendment came in response to a Colorado magazine manufacturer vowing to leave state if the measure passes.

"This further enhances public safety," said Fields. "Look at all the mass shootings that happen with these magazines."

Fields went on to list mass shootings at an elementary in Newtown, Conn., an Aurora movie theater and outside a Safeway in Tucson, Ariz., as examples of shootings where gunmen had high-capacity ammunition magazines.

Meanwhile, Republicans argued that the bill is not about public safety and is instead a measure that lacks substance and is more about appearance.

"Is there any study out there that shows a ban on high-capacity magazines prevent shootings or save lives?" questioned House Minority Leader Mark Waller, R-Colorado Springs. "I don't think there is ... in fact, there isn't."

"We're going to pass this legislation for no other reason — none, zero — than to feel good," Waller said.

House Bill 1224 says that if an individual already owns a high-capacity magazine on the effective date of the bill's becoming law, then that individual may retain it. Prosecutors would bear the burden of proof that an owner violated the new stricture.

On Thursday Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper expressed support for a ban on limiting gun magazines to 15 rounds.

Manufacturers would still be able to produce these magazines within the state, supporters say.

Still, the bill has caused a stir with Magpul, Colorado's largest and most profitable high-capacity ammunition manufacturer, who said this week that if the measure passes then they will relocate — costing the state hundreds of jobs and possibly tens of millions of dollars.

"We will leave if it passes," said Doug Smith, Magpul's Chief Operating Officer. Smith has said that no amendment to the measure would keep the company here in Colorado.

Under the legislation, manufacturers would be required to engrave each magazine with a serial number and date upon which it was produced — something Smith said is "burdensome and unnecessary."

On Friday in initial debate over the bill, state Rep. Joe Salazar, D-Thorton, still offered an amendment that clarifies manufacturers could still sell high-capacity magazines to out-of-state vendors that range from the U.S. military to law enforcement.

"I want it to be clear that manufacturers can still do business here in Colorado," Salazar said.

Republicans contested the amendment, calling it an "oops amendment," and argued that it's unfair that a company can produce the device, but can't sell it in Colorado.

"This just doesn't make sense, it's wildly inconsistent," Waller said. "It seems Democrats want to ban individual rights to have these magazines, but allow business of these magazines to continue."

Salazar said his amendment reflects constituents' concerns and what Magpul told him they would like to see in the measure.

"They (Magpul) may be against the bill, but this amendment represents the language they wanted to see in the bill to possibly stay," Salazar said.

State Rep. Lori Saine, a Republican from Dacano, represents the district where Magpul is housed.

"The bill will decrease public safety, will limit law-abiding citizens from protecting themselves and will encourage criminals to have these magazines," Saine said before the House.

Saine also called the measure a "jobs killing bill," because of Magpul's threat to leave the state if it passes.

"Colorado families will hurt," Saine said.

State Rep. Frank McNulty said this bill and amendment is "lost" and does nothing.

"What unfavorable manufacturer is next, will it be distilleries? What are we going to decide is unfavorable, what is the next industry that will leave state because of the state legislature," McNulty said.

Democrats control the House 37-28, though not all Democrats are on board with passing a measure to ban high-capacity ammunition magazines.

"Limiting the number of bullets will save lives," said state Rep. Lois Court, D-Denver. "It's intuitive ... more bullets, more weapons, more killing. Less bullets, less weapons , less killing."

But some Democrats have expressed they will vote against the legislation.

"This is an emotional issue and we're just reacting to an emotional issue," said state Rep. Ed Vigil, D-Fort Garland, who plans to vote against the measure.

 
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This was posted by Magpul today via FB around 4pm..

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
MAGPUL INDUSTRIES ANNOUNCES IT WILL LEAVE COLORADO IF GUN BILL PASSES

MOVE WOULD COST STATE 600 JOBS, $85 MILLION

Denver, Colorado – February 15th, 2013 - Magpul Industries, an Erie, Colorado, based manufacturer of firearms accessories, announced today that it will be forced to leave the state if House Bill 1224, which would ban standard capacity magazines, becomes law. The announcement was made to Governor Hickenlooper, state legislators, members of the media, and in a full-page advertisement to appear in the Denver Post on Sunday.

Richard Fitzpatrick, Founder, President, and CEO of Magpul Industries, said that regardless of any amendments that may be worked into the bill, he will no longer be able to continue to do business in Colorado if his core product is made illegal.

“Our company could not, in good conscience, continue to manufacture our products in a state where law-abiding citizens are prohibited from purchasing and owning them. ” Fitzpatrick said. “The passage of this bill will do nothing to enhance public safety, but will force us to immediately begin taking our business to another state.”

A proponent of the bill argued that with the amendment language, the choice to stay or leave was up to Magpul. Fitzpatrick responded, "Our relationship with our customers across the country would be severely damaged if this bill passes and we stay. We've already heard word of potential boycotts if that happens. They (legislators) really need to understand that our customer base is as passionate about freedoms as we are, and staying here if this bill passes would cripple the company. Make no doubt about it...we have no choice, and would be forced to leave in order to save the business."

Magpul cited the example of the Eastern Sports and Outdoors Show, which was canceled earlier this year after the organizers announced that it would not permit a popular category of firearm, like the ones Magpul makes accessories for, in the show. Public outcry from the customer base forced exhibitors to withdraw from participation, causing the cancellation of the show, and an estimated loss of $70 million of show revenue for hotels, restaurants, merchants, and other businesses in Pennsylvania, where the show was to be held.

Magpul Industries directly employs 200 people, supports another 400 supply-chain jobs, and contributes over $85 million annually to Colorado’s economy. Doug Smith, Chief Operating Officer for Magpul, says that it is a difficult position to be in. "We could choose to stay in a state that wants our jobs and revenue, but not our products, and lose half the jobs we are fighting to save, or potentially the entire business, when our customers stop buying. Or, we can take the company and those 600 jobs out of Colorado to continue our growth and the growth of American manufacturing in a state that shares our values. This is not really a choice. It's an unfortunate and inevitable result of the actions of the Legislature if this bill passes."

Magpul was started over a decade ago by Fitzpatrick, a former U.S. Marine. It has become one of Colorado’s fastest growing businesses, successfully marketing its products to American and allied military forces, police departments, sporting goods stores, and thousands of responsible private citizens. Fitzpatrick says that the rich western culture and strong values of individual freedom and responsibility, traditionally found in Colorado, were one of the reasons the company chose to remain in the state.

“It is heartbreaking to me, my employees, and their families, to think that we will be forced to leave,” Fitzpatrick said. “But if HB13-1224 passes, we will simply have no choice.”
 
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F em, move out , bring all the good people with you. Simple choice, fight to defend your rights or move to a free state.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shedhorn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Montana </div></div> +1...with a factory outlet store nearby!
 
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<span style="font-weight: bold">If I were a major firearms business, the Firearms Freedom Act States would be at the top of my list as a "GO" criteria:</span>

Before going on, understand that we are in an era where many of the machinists in this Country are at retirement age anyway, and there are not a lot of schools producing machinists anymore, with a few exceptions. Where will your future talent come from? Any good business knows that people make or break them.

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<span style="font-weight: bold">Then I would look at demographics and voting posture towards traditional American Values:
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Then I would look at right to work, skilled labor, machining & computer drafting programs for HS and college students.
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Top Schools for Drafting & Design Engineering:

If you overlay the maps, analyze the data, look at fresh workforce projections, population-replenish rates for people who will maintain reliable work habits, live in a right-to-work State, have low or no State taxes, your best option is:

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt">UTAH</span></span>

Starting with the Firearms Freedom Act States, followed by the electoral map from 2013, you can see where Democrat-controlled counties are. Don't want to move into any Dem-controlled counties as a business, let alone an "evil gun business". They will rape your margins with union thuggery, hostile city councils filled with mafiosos and moonbats, and employees who went through schools run by their marxist school boards.

Then ask, will there be enough of a hiring pool of skilled laborers suitable for my industry? <span style="font-weight: bold">Salt Lake City Community College is listed as one of the top-10 in the Nation, with night courses available as well.</span> Unlike most other States, multi-generational American families with strong American values are reproducing themselves at much higher rates in Utah than the rest of the Nation:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Utah has the lowest median age of any state in the country, at 29.2. The American Community Survey's data takes into account women age 15 to 50 who had births in the last year, which is a broad age range in terms of childbearing. "Age structure, even within 15 to 50, can definitely affect the rate," says Carl Haub, senior demographer at the Population Reference Bureau. "Women 40 and over don't have very many children," he says, <span style="font-weight: bold">meaning that states with many younger people, like Utah, are more likely to have higher birth rates</span> (and all of those new children pull the median age downward even more). Meanwhile, several states in the Northeast, like Maine, Pennsylvania, and Connecticut, are among the states with the highest median ages. Some larger cities there are among those with the lowest birth rates.</div></div> US News Report on Birth Rates

Utah isn't anywhere near over-populated, has affordable land, and excellent infrastructure, to include a new vast and growing network of public transportation.

From a political, economic, and future business viability perspective, no other State is as competitive. <span style="font-weight: bold">Look at where the blue counties are in Texas. There are millions of people in those areas, mostly along the Mexican border, and in several major cities of high population densities (voted for Obama). </span> Utah has zero counties that carried Obama, and Texas isn't a Firearms Freedom State yet.

Furthermore, the Salt Lake Valley is currently where 85% of the AR15 lowers and uppers are manufactured for the entire market, including Remington.

What other State just sent a letter to Comrade Hussein, saying:

"We, like you, swore a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and <span style="font-weight: bold">we are prepared to trade our lives for the preservation of its traditional interpretation,</span>"

Utah also has direct access to many critical minerals and metals with the world's largest mine, and our own sources of water independent of other States. It has a balanced budget operating principle in the State Legislature, where almost all of the representatives carry concealed firearms to work when in session.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Utah also make no restrictions against teachers and students with Utah CFP's to carry concealed on campus.</span> When they interviewed Representative Chris Oda, the news started out the story on gun control with a summary: "From my cold, dead hands." He has trained 75% of the other legislators for their Utah CFP, and is a retired Marine officer of Japanese decent.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Conrad101st</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SNIPERTARGET</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if limit-law-is-passed/

if brother IF</div></div>


Even during its decline, Sparta never forgot its claims on being the "defender of Hellenism" and its Laconic wit. An anecdote has it that when Philip II sent a message to Sparta saying "If I enter Laconia, I will raze Sparta", the Spartans responded with the single, terse reply: "If."
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Man the Spartans had some big, warrior, balls.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LRRPF52</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If you overlay the maps, analyze the data, look at fresh workforce projections, population-replenish rates for people who will maintain reliable work habits, live in a right-to-work State, have low or no State taxes, your best option is:

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 14pt">UTAH</span></span>

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Oh yes...except you forget to mention that a cult of epic proportions has it's corrupt greedy bastard fingers in everything that happens here, not to mention the most fucked up air pollution issues in the nation. Fuck Utah.
 
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No matter what happens elsewhere, Kentucky will always be Kentucky. (good and bad). Out in the country, people just aren't that concerned with the law, but that doesn't mean it is lawless. Hard to explain, I just know they aren't gonna tame it. And eastern KY in the mountains...forget about it.

Folks down int Texas better watch out. In ten years it will be in the blue column. Thats gonna make for interesting changes down there.