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Rifle Scopes Aimpoint M2, M3

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Aimpoint m2's or M3's, particularly the m3, anybody got any intel on them? I've got an M4 carbine type rifle and am looking for CQB to 200 yrd stuff. Have a loaner Eotech, which is nice, but am intersted in the Aimpoint because of battery life at the advertised 50k hours.
Eye relief and sight aquisition as good as Eotech's?
Durability?
Anyone use them in bad places/environments like the sand box or A'stan and have feed back?
Edumacation appreciated...
 
Aimpoint is the most bomb proof of all red dots. There's s reason they've been standard issue for the past ~10 years.

That said, the M2 is older technology, 4MOA dot size and reduced battery life.

I would recommend a 2MOA T1 primarily, after that a M4S and Aimpoint PRO respectively.

The PRO is the best value, sub $400 including mount. Really the same sight as the M3 minus some of the environmental protection. (Submersion rating)
 
Thanks for the info. Any problems with repair work if need be?
 
No, Aimpoints are serviced out of VA. I've never heard of anyone having problems with Aimpoint service.
You truely can't go wrong!
 
I prefer Aimpoint over EoTech. Also you can usually find deals on used M3's, T-1 is awesome (I own both). I prefer the Aimpoint M3 over the M4 model, if your rough on your gear its easy to change the rubber cover and have an almost perfect looking optic, but the M4 has the advantage of using AA batteries. T1 is very rugged and light weight.

Hope this helps...
 
Aimpoint is the most bomb proof of all red dots. There's s reason they've been standard issue for the past ~10 years.

That said, the M2 is older technology, 4MOA dot size and reduced battery life.

I would recommend a 2MOA T1 primarily, after that a M4S and Aimpoint PRO respectively.

The PRO is the best value, sub $400 including mount. Really the same sight as the M3 minus some of the environmental protection. (Submersion rating)

+2

I've owned two EOTechs, some cheap red dots, and the Aimpoints ML2, ML3, PRO, and H1. All the Aimpoints are good, and I strongly recommend the PRO with its 2 MOA dot and included mount for just $410 or so.
 
Aimpoint m2's or M3's, particularly the m3, anybody got any intel on them? I've got an M4 carbine type rifle and am looking for CQB to 200 yrd stuff. Have a loaner Eotech, which is nice, but am intersted in the Aimpoint because of battery life at the advertised 50k hours.
Eye relief and sight aquisition as good as Eotech's?
Durability?
Anyone use them in bad places/environments like the sand box or A'stan and have feed back?
Edumacation appreciated...


Lets start off with ignoring of battery life. Unless you plan to have your rifle sit for years and never touch it or check it, than the battery issue is really moot. Batteries should be changed out and serviced to make sure they are fresh anyway (Read Kestral threads)

It really comes down to what you want. The M2,M3 (ML2/3 are non nv, IE no super low settings) are good optics. The Aimpoint Pro is bassicaly a M3 with a QRP mount. Unless your getting a M2 with mount for under $350, Get the pro.
Downside is its size and weight. Now everything is realitive, I had a M68 (M2) on one of my M16's in the box and it was not heavy at the time. Compare it with a T1/H1 and it is now "heavy"

People will tell you aimpoints are bombproof and never break. That is a lie. They break and fail and go tits up like an electronic device can. I had a whole box of broken M68's in my arms room. Eotechs were not as durrable and have gone through many revisions and the current crop of EXPS are almost as reliable and durrable as AP. Time will tell how the EXPS's stack up, but thus far they have been great. I would give aimpoint a SLIGHT edge in durrability, but for me, the features and sight box of the EO make it a clear choice. Both will get lead on target, they just do it differently.

Eotechs are speed. They are one of if not the quicket sight for target aquistion that is made. If speed and getting on target quicky are your goal, then get a EO. Some people don't like the retticle (they make others, single dot in a EO is pointless as you lose the quick targeting ability). There is a reason, the tip of the spear, use Eothings for their assualt teams. The window is huge and you do not need a pefect head possition behind the stock to get a accurate shot of beacuse of the hologram. There is no Eye relief, it has no magnification.

The H1/T1 will be lighter. They are around $500/$600 respectfully. EXPS (trust me and get the lever mount model unless you cannot do lower 1/3 cowitness) run around $525 for 2's (non -nv) and $620 for 3's (NV). There are a bunch of reticles, but I still prefer the -0 which is a 1moa dot with 65moa circle.

One of the benefits of the circle dot is that if you zero the dot for 50m/200m, the bottom of the circle is the POI around 15 Feet. Not that a few inches mean shit at this dist to most of us, but for some users this is a good feature.

You need to get time behind all of them. The T1/H1 will be the lightest, have longest battery life, but has a very small tube and for me, is hard to get the dot focused on the target quickly. IMO Aimpoints are overpriced as the technology and build is inferior to that of the EO.

I appologize if I sound Bias, beacuse I am. For me, The EO makes perfect sense. I still own AP products and would use them if I had to. For superlight builds or using the RD in a offset , the t1/h1 is a great choice as the MRD's are not durrable enough of they get dropped or banged into shit.
 
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Cobra,
Great intel and was exactly what I was looking for! Equipment used in the environment they were made to be used in is the best test.

The best experiance is usually someone else's...
 
I will concur with Cobras take on both optics. I am partial to EoTechs over Aimpoints and I've run both at one point in time while overseas. I recently used a Aimpoint SRS and was happy with it as it reminded me of an Eotech and was easy to use, I did like the QD mount feature of it as well as the solar power capability it has integral to the sight. They look big in pictures but when you compare them side by side to an Eotech they are similar in size and footprint. IMO, the SRS is Aimpoints response to the Eotech and I'd use whichever was available.

Another thing to consider is that you can run a side flip magnifier behind an Eotech if you like the Eotech but also want a mag capability. I've never run one this way but guys on my team have and they seem to like it.
 
Cobra,
Great intel and was exactly what I was looking for! Equipment used in the environment they were made to be used in is the best test.

The best experiance is usually someone else's...


Make sure you look behind both. Alot of people have asitgmitisims, and the busy rtticle of the eotech will look fuzzy. I have it slightly, but can still use it. Many have it much more severe. Sometimes its bad enough that people cannot even use a RDS. Don't want to spend a bunch of money to find out it won't work for you.

INCIDENCE OF ASTIGMATISM Up to about 83 percent of all patients wearing eyeglasses have an astigmatism correction. 60 percent of the population show astigmatism between .50 and 1.50 diopters. That is made up of almost 20 percent with less that .50 diopter. About 45 percent show astigmatism between .50 and 1.00 diopter and another 15 percent show astigmatism between 1.00 and 1.50 diopters. Another 10 percent demonstrate astigmatism between 1.50 and 2.00 diopters, and finally another 7 percent show astigmatism between 2.00 and 3.00 diopters. It is interesting to note that only about 3 percent of the population shows astigmatism in excess of 3.00 diopters. (From Hartstein, J., Review of Eye Terminology.)
 
I have 2 M2, 1 M3 with 2MOA dot, 1 H1 and will get another H1 with 2MOA as soon as I can squirrel away the money for it.

I deployed with a issued M4 2MOA and would have gotten that if not the Micros had gotten on the market. I`ve seen several earlier issued M2 (dating to around 2002/2003) and hard used, crap out, normally its been related to something or the other in the battery switch/cover, they have come up fine after switching the little black cover. Never had any problems with the later models.

Of EOs I`ve just tried two similar ones, fresh out of the box and crapping the drawer on the first outing, mounted on a G3, the reticles seemed to be somewhat erratic switching on and off as they wanted to, with no pattern of when and how they would dump the reticle.

My two cents are solidly on the Aimpoints. :)
 
Other than sight picture/quick aquisition for the Eotech's the Aimpoints may have the edge.
What about the magnifiers with the Eo's, do they slow down the sight aquisition? Don't know what the sight picture looks like with one, not seen 'em.
Have seen a lot of "tier 1" operators with Eo's (pics)... This all may be a wash and personal preference.Just got to get behind em and see... somehow.
 
From my experience, there is no speed advantage to Eotech or Aimpoint. Some people get the tunnel vision thing going on, but I throw it up and shoot both eyes open. Both are same/same.

Yes, the battery life is important. No matter how many times somebody tells you "you should regularly change batteries anyway" hasn't spent much time with Eotechs or experienced frustration from forgetting to take extra batteries. If you turn on your Eo Friday and shoot til Monday, you just may need a new battery. I've got one Aimpoint that I bought used in 2006 and its only been off to check it for corrosion. Its still going strong and I leave it on all the time. If there is a bump in the night, I don't want to fiddle with turning stuff on. I've heard the newer Eos are better and better, but I don't have any direct experience with those.

My best suggestion is to try them and see what works for you. If you shoot both eyes open and can get on target fine, the Aimpoint has the advantage. I have a T1 and love it.
 
I owned both an Aimpoint ML3 and an EoTech 552 and while I liked the Aimpoint's long battery life I much preferred the EoTech 1 moa dot and reticle. But that's just my taste in optics. Sold the ML3, 552 still going strong. I always carry spare batteries in my shooting kit.
 
Talking about old EOtechs that were fixes years ago is moot.

They have ATLEAST a 600 Hour battery life at the highest setting. I don't know how space and time works where you are, but here, in reality , Friday to Monday is roughly 84 hours. You must be one hell of a tier 1 opperator to be gunfighting for 4 days strait, without a chance to service your gear or change a battery.

As it has been said, People who live in a shoothouse and put lead into bodies at close range for a living, overwhelmingly choose the EOtech. I would hazzard to assume they have their reasons.
 
Overwhelmingly? I don't know about that. Nor do people limit their optics choice to working in a shoot house. Many of the most recognized trainers overwhelmingly choose Aimpoint.

The point about the batteries is you shouldn't have to change them. If you run out or forget spares, say in the course of a carbine course, you're stuck running your BUIS. I for one prefer to leave mine on all the time so I don't have to worry about it. I'll change it every time I vote for president---if then. Pick your poison, there are compromises with both. Both are much better than irons only.