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LA coughs up $4,240,000 to Settle SWAT Clusterf**k in Dorner Fiasco

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Women's settlement with LAPD in Dorner case worth $4.2 million

By Andrew Blankstein and Kate Mather

April 23, 2013, 1:41 p.m.

The women injured when Los Angeles police opened fire on them during the manhunt for ex-cop Christopher Dorner have reached a $4.2-million settlement with the city, sources told The Times.

Los Angeles City Atty. Carmen Trutanich announced a settlement had been reached Tuesday afternoon. More details were expected at a 2 p.m. news conference.

Margie Carranza, 47, and her mother, Emma Hernandez, 71, were delivering newspapers in Torrance on Feb. 7 when LAPD officers shot repeatedly at their blue Toyota Tacoma. Hernandez was shot twice in the back, and Carranza was injured by broken glass, an attorney for the women said.

FULL COVERAGE: Sweeping manhunt for ex-cop

The officers were protecting the home of a high-ranking LAPD official named in a threatening manifesto authorities said was written by Dorner, and they believed that the official could have been a potential target. Dorner at the time had already killed the daughter of an LAPD captain, her fiance -- a USC police officer -- and a Riverside police officer, officials said.

Dorner was believed to be driving a gray Nissan Titan, and there was an alert preceding the shooting that said a truck matching Dorner's was in the area.

LAPD Chief Charlie Beck called the shooting "a tragic misinterpretation" by officers working under "incredible tension" hours after Dorner allegedly shot police officers. Beck promised to provide a truck from a donor regardless of potential litigation by the women.

Last month, the women received a $40,000 check from the city to cover the loss of the truck.

When announcing the check had been delivered, Trutanich said the settlement was "the legal and morally right thing to do both for the individuals involved and the taxpayers of this city."

Women's settlement with LAPD in Dorner case worth $4.2 million - latimes.com

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Trutanich: $4.2-million Dorner settlement came 'pretty cheaply'

The two women mistakenly shot at by Los Angeles police during a manhunt for fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner have reached a $4.2-million settlement that will save the city millions, attorneys said Tuesday.

The Los Angeles City Council must still ratify the agreement, announced Tuesday by Los Angeles City Atty. Carmen Trutanich and Glen Jonas, who is representing the women.

Margie Carranza, 47, and her mother, Emma Hernandez, 71, were delivering newspapers in Torrance on Feb. 7 when LAPD officers shot repeatedly at their blue Toyota Tacoma. Hernandez was shot twice in the back, and Carranza's hands were injured by either broken glass or shrapnel, Jonas said.

The officers were protecting the home of a high-ranking LAPD official named in a threatening manifesto authorities said was written by Dorner, and they believed that the official could have been a potential target. Dorner at the time had already killed the daughter of an LAPD captain, her fiance -- a USC police officer -- and a Riverside police officer, officials said.

Dorner was believed to be driving a gray Nissan Titan, and there was an alert preceding the shooting that said a truck matching Dorner's was in the area.

"Hopefully this will put an end to the Dorner saga once and for all," Trutanich said of the settlement.

Dorner later died of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound after a fiery standoff with police at a Big Bear-area cabin.

Jonas said his starting point for the negotiations was $15 million or $16 million, but said the agreement insured that the women received a timely payment and avoided potential risks of going to trial.

"I have a 71-year-old client. You think she wants to risk the appellate court reversing it for one reason or another?" Jonas said. "$4.2 million means a lot more to her today than potentially $7 million 10 years down the road."

Trutanich called the agreement a "no brainer because the costs were going to skyrocket."

"We got out of this thing pretty cheaply all things considered," he said.

Negotiations at times grew heated, the attorneys said -- Trutanich described one conversation as a "shouting match" -- but turned over the weekend.

"We had an opportunity, I felt, before this thing really got out of hand to try and resolve it one last time," Trutanich said.
LAPD Chief Charlie Beck was seen entering City Hall East, where the city attorney's office is located, before the news conference but was not on hand for the announcement. There was no immediate comment from the department.

Last month, the women received a $40,000 check from the city to replace their Toyota Tacoma. Jonas said they had purchased a Dodge Ram pickup -- "all leather, four-door, real nice," he said.

Jonas said Hernandez was "recovering well" from her injuries but both women were dealing with the "emotional impact of what had happened that day." He said they had "mixed emotions" about the settlement.

"This doesn't erase anything that happened on that day," he said. "It doesn't change the trauma that they've been through.... They're pleased with the fact that the case is settled, but that doesn't mean they'll run around with big smiles on their faces."
Trutanich: $4.2-million Dorner settlement came 'pretty cheaply' - latimes.com
 
They could have held out for so much more but their attorney convinced them to take a sure thing instead of dragging it out in court for the next 5-10 years. One on the victims is 71 years old so she thought she may not live long enough to get the money. I am LE in SoCal and I would have sued them for 100 mil. No excuse for eight officers to open fire on an unidentified target. Good thing they can't shoot worth a damn or someone would have been killed.
 
Margie Carranza, 47, and her mother, Emma Hernandez, 71, were delivering newspapers in Torrance on Feb. 7 when LAPD officers shot repeatedly at their blue Toyota Tacoma. Hernandez was shot twice in the back, and Carranza's hands were injured by either broken glass or shrapnel, Jonas said.

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Amazing no one was killed.
 
Damn, that was a nice truck, too. If I were them, I'd keep driving that fucker. Fix anything wrong mechanically, and drive it.
 
Just amazing that they started shooting at two women in a truck. I am not LE, and can't imagine the strain they were under at the time, but it's a miracle that neither of the women were killed. LAPD got off easy with the settlement, they could have got much more.
 
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Officers that did the shooting and the ones who gave the orders should be charged with attempted manslaughter. I didn't see ANY mention of disciplinary action. This leaves the impression that the police state can do as they wish and the tax payers are going to foot the bill.
 
No matter how badly you fuck up, no matter what the injury to innocents, property, or image of the LAPD, any misdeeds can be corrected by a liberal bucket load of taxpayer cash.

Like TARP, the more you fuck up, the more the taxpayers at large can be stolen from.

I guess the LAPD is now just too big to fail.

How about some handcuffs and a perpwalk for the shooter, like say, if he(or she) were a 'civilian'.

Orwell was an absolute optimist.

Me, not so much anymore.
 
This happened about a mile from my house. Glad the wife was driving our White Excursion that morning and I was driving our Gray Truck cuz she drives right by there to take the kids to school.
 
If I were them I'd buy a friggen MRAP from DHS to deliver the papers.
 
I remember reading a statistic a few years back that a higher percentage of police shootings than civilian were in error. But they're to be the only ones that are allowed to own guns? Fucking nuts. And I'm far from an anti law enforcement hippie.
 
Last month, the women received a $40,000 check from the city to cover the loss of the truck.

You just got $4.2 million! Buy your own damn truck!
 
No matter how badly you fuck up, no matter what the injury to innocents, property, or image of the LAPD, any misdeeds can be corrected by a liberal bucket load of taxpayer cash.

Like TARP, the more you fuck up, the more the taxpayers at large can be stolen from.

I guess the LAPD is now just too big to fail.

How about some handcuffs and a perpwalk for the shooter, like say, if he(or she) were a 'civilian'.

Orwell was an absolute optimist.

Me, not so much anymore.

Truth. Just sickening.
 
4 million isn't enough. The cops involved should be fired and put in jail, the same as if it were done by non-cops. 4 million is a joke, 40 million would send a message and might be enough for the taxpayers who are footing this bill to finally stand up for something.
 
Seems like an honest mistake. I thought their sky blue Totyota was a a grey Nissan Titan at first too, and you just can't take a chance waiting to identify who might be inside in a state where it could be any of 30 million people...
 
They got the $40,000 check for the truck BEFORE the settlement was reached.


Wasn't the original story that the department reneged on buying them a new truck which is why they went for more? I cannot find it but I am pretty sure there was a thread about it here on the hide
 
I SOOOOO WISH that those (Ladies) would have been going to a range when they were fired upon. Then calmly exited their vehicle with AKs/AR/s and shot the shit out of those cops that tried to kill them.
 
Look at that truck.... OMG, they are truly blessed to have survived an onslaught like that. This is clearly my first time seeing these images.
 
I can see them stopping the truck...maybe, but nothing close to the vehicle they were supposed to be looking for, but how did it come about that they even opened fire in the first place?
 
I can see them stopping the truck...maybe, but nothing close to the vehicle they were supposed to be looking for, but how did it come about that they even opened fire in the first place?

Easy, the old saying. Shoot first, shoot second, shoot some more then when everyone's dead ask some questions. Or the shortened version, shoot first and ask questions later. There's always less questions later.
 
The only reason the settlement wasn't higher is because LAPD still isn't convinced the two old ladies are not in fact Dorner....

This isn't over...
 
Soooo many incredible bad decisions here made by LAPD i dont know where to start..

The right thing to do would be to to have every single officer who sent rounds at this vehicle should be given baton and pepper spray and have his firearms taken away.

Reality is the taxpayers are stuck for this $, with no discipline handed down to "officers" who made horrible decisions.

This is a classic example of the lack of any accountability on the part of the LAPD, and the abysmal training these officers have received.

This is NOT bagdad-you dont just engage a vehicle- not to mention its not even the same make as Dorners vehicle!

Complete cum monkeys that should all be fired.
 
Reality is the taxpayers are stuck for this $, with no discipline handed down to "officers" who made horrible decisions.

This is a classic example of the lack of any accountability on the part of the LAPD

How is there a lack of accountability? This whole thread including the news article wouldn't exist if the department wasn't held accountable for what those officers did. Speaking of discipline, are you SURE that they weren't/aren't going to be disciplined? They probably won't be fired, tarred, feathered and hung at the town square like you would prefer to see but rest assured they will be disciplined. And rightfully so, what these guys did was beyond fucked up to say the least.
 
How is there a lack of accountability? This whole thread including the news article wouldn't exist if the department wasn't held accountable for what those officers did. Speaking of discipline, are you SURE that they weren't/aren't going to be disciplined? They probably won't be fired, tarred, feathered and hung at the town square like you would prefer to see but rest assured they will be disciplined. And rightfully so, what these guys did was beyond fucked up to say the least.

So, you're saying it's acceptable to discipline them internally without firing? How about being charged and facing jail time for the application of unjustifiable deadly force?
 
How is there a lack of accountability? This whole thread including the news article wouldn't exist if the department wasn't held accountable for what those officers did. Speaking of discipline, are you SURE that they weren't/aren't going to be disciplined? They probably won't be fired, tarred, feathered and hung at the town square like you would prefer to see but rest assured they will be disciplined. And rightfully so, what these guys did was beyond fucked up to say the least.

Guys, none of these officers to date has lost any $, lost any rank or any other tangible "correction" to their abhorrent behavior. thats a FACT.
 
So, you're saying it's acceptable to discipline them internally without firing? How about being charged and facing jail time for the application of unjustifiable deadly force?

all talk, no discipline to date.
the union will back em and NOTHING will happen to them.
dont doubt me on this.
 
HBAM1,

I'm in total agreement with you, the point of my comment above was that SlapChop is trying to advocate that responsibility was taken in the situation and that discipline would be forthcoming if it had not already as opposed to your comment with which he disagreed.

All talk and no action is spot on IMO.

Perhaps the most clear way to state your intent (which I thought was pretty clear, but it seems others might need a little help) is that there has not been any PERSONAL responsibility taken (or levied) on the officers that fired so recklessly into that vehicle.

Internal discipline? How about criminal charges. I wouldn't be surprised if the settlement documents have verbage in there to preclude any criminal action being taken by the women.
 
So, you're saying it's acceptable to discipline them internally without firing? How about being charged and facing jail time for the application of unjustifiable deadly force?

Where did I say it was acceptable? Don't try to spin my words around. I painted a picture of what is likely to happen. I'm not familiar with California penal code but I don't think that "application of unjustifiable deadly force" exists. Do I think they should be charged criminally? No, I don't think they acted with intent to shoot two old ladies delivering papers. Meaning, it wasn't premeditated or they didn't wake up that morning with the intent that they were going to try and ambush to old women on their paper route. No jury would believe that either, so it wouldn't go anywhere in court.

They did act recklessly and with disregard and even though they were probably scared, skittish over what was going on, it isn't an excuse to do what they did. At the end of the day, I think it was a mistake. A mistake with deadly consequences but a mistake nonetheless. If we threw everyone in jail who made a mistake there wouldn't be any cells left.

In regards to their discipline, HBAM1, I take it you're LE in SoCal so you may have more info on this than any of us. I'll take your word for it, nothing has happened to them yet. Are they still on patrol? Were their duty firearms taken away? If the LAPD is like any of the agencies out here, rest assured that discipline is coming. Departmental trials take time or are you implying that everyone should be afforded due process except for cops? These things don't happen overnight and if you're on the job you would know that.
 
There were initial reports that these two women were in the country illegally. If that is the case then they should be deported, their employers fined, and given the $40k for the truck only.

Chip
 
Where did I say it was acceptable? Don't try to spin my words around. I painted a picture of what is likely to happen. I'm not familiar with California penal code but I don't think that "application of unjustifiable deadly force" exists. Do I think they should be charged criminally? No, I don't think they acted with intent to shoot two old ladies delivering papers. Meaning, it wasn't premeditated or they didn't wake up that morning with the intent that they were going to try and ambush to old women on their paper route. No jury would believe that either, so it wouldn't go anywhere in court.

They did act recklessly and with disregard and even though they were probably scared, skittish over what was going on, it isn't an excuse to do what they did. At the end of the day, I think it was a mistake. A mistake with deadly consequences but a mistake nonetheless. If we threw everyone in jail who made a mistake there wouldn't be any cells left.

In regards to their discipline, HBAM1, I take it you're LE in SoCal so you may have more info on this than any of us. I'll take your word for it, nothing has happened to them yet. Are they still on patrol? Were their duty firearms taken away? If the LAPD is like any of the agencies out here, rest assured that discipline is coming. Departmental trials take time or are you implying that everyone should be afforded due process except for cops? These things don't happen overnight and if you're on the job you would know that.

I didn't twist your words whatsoever, and let me just highlight EXACTLY what you've said above yet again.

Lack of Intent to kill? Sure. That means something like Murder won't stick.

However, since Attempted Murder doesn't fit, what about Attempted Homicide? Drunk Drivers are charged with Attempted Vehicular Homicide and convicted of it regularly. Those drunks acted recklessly in a situation with deadly consequences, should they instead be given a stern lecture by a judge or have their wages docked for a couple of days?

Summarizing your own clearly outlined words above: They acted recklessly in a situation with deadly consequences and they did it with the application of deadly force.

From your previous post you said that they would be disciplined, likely "won't be fired, tarred, feathered and hung at the town square like you would prefer to see but rest assured they will be disciplined. And rightly so, ..."

So your implication is that an internal discipline that allows them to keep a job that requires the carrying of a deadly weapon AFTER they have proven themselves incapable of the proper use and application of such a weapon in a situation where "They did act recklessly and with disregard" the internal review and punishment that doesn't involve dismissal or criminal charges would is acceptable to you? The post certainly sounds like you're OK with it as long as they get some kind of punishment.

LEO are held to the same standard of Law that citizens are... or at least they're supposed to be. Your first post reads of a double standard that would give them an administrative slap on the wrist just because they're police officers and scared during a touchy/tense situation.

Civilians in an identical shoot situation that involved reckless behavior, improper target/threat ID (not even a black guy in a white/gray truck but 2 women in an electric blue truck), and a very high number of shots fired without confirmation of threat neutralization would ALL be in front of a Grand Jury on a litany of charges, least of which would be Reckless Endangerment.

Should everyone that makes a mistake be thrown in jail? No, not necessarily, but when your mistake involves breach of ROE's and bullets fired at innocent civilians improperly identified as threats in broad daylight, driving a vehicle not matching the description, and of the wrong gender... Every one of the officers that pulled a trigger on that vehicle should be under investigation criminally.
 
I used to live in San Pedro, CA where Carmen Trutanich has a Law office on Gaffery Street. It's technically a part of Los Angeles City and has been since the City of LA annexed the Harbor to make money. Thank God I don't live there now as I would be flipping part of the bill for this shit and I am not a liberal, unless you mean my political views are mostly libertarian. The little sum of money will not have an effect on how the LAPD does business in the future.
 
I didn't twist your words whatsoever, and let me just highlight EXACTLY what you've said above yet again.

Lack of Intent to kill? Sure. That means something like Murder won't stick.

However, since Attempted Murder doesn't fit, what about Attempted Homicide? Drunk Drivers are charged with Attempted Vehicular Homicide and convicted of it regularly. Those drunks acted recklessly in a situation with deadly consequences, should they instead be given a stern lecture by a judge or have their wages docked for a couple of days?

Summarizing your own clearly outlined words above: They acted recklessly in a situation with deadly consequences and they did it with the application of deadly force.

From your previous post you said that they would be disciplined, likely "won't be fired, tarred, feathered and hung at the town square like you would prefer to see but rest assured they will be disciplined. And rightly so, ..."

So your implication is that an internal discipline that allows them to keep a job that requires the carrying of a deadly weapon AFTER they have proven themselves incapable of the proper use and application of such a weapon in a situation where "They did act recklessly and with disregard" the internal review and punishment that doesn't involve dismissal or criminal charges would is acceptable to you? The post certainly sounds like you're OK with it as long as they get some kind of punishment.

LEO are held to the same standard of Law that citizens are... or at least they're supposed to be. Your first post reads of a double standard that would give them an administrative slap on the wrist just because they're police officers and scared during a touchy/tense situation.

Civilians in an identical shoot situation that involved reckless behavior, improper target/threat ID (not even a black guy in a white/gray truck but 2 women in an electric blue truck), and a very high number of shots fired without confirmation of threat neutralization would ALL be in front of a Grand Jury on a litany of charges, least of which would be Reckless Endangerment.

Should everyone that makes a mistake be thrown in jail? No, not necessarily, but when your mistake involves breach of ROE's and bullets fired at innocent civilians improperly identified as threats in broad daylight, driving a vehicle not matching the description, and of the wrong gender... Every one of the officers that pulled a trigger on that vehicle should be under investigation criminally.

Well I'm just trying to paint a picture for you of what will happen. I'm not familiar with the internals of the LAPD but I'm pretty sure that departmental trials leave room for termination. All I'm saying is that in this case it probably won't happen.
 
What a mess. They Really do need to hold those officers accountable. No excuse in the world for what happened. Bruce
 
I am not LE, but I can see how there might be some confusion due to miscommunication about the vehicle. I also know that Dorner was a dangerous man but the fact that these women were shot the way they were, before any arttempt was made to identify them proves to me that there was never any intention to take him alive. I believe that's why the officers involved have faced no consequences, they were following orders to shoot first.
 
Guys, none of these officers to date has lost any $, lost any rank or any other tangible "correction" to their abhorrent behavior. thats a FACT.

Wow, so you have secret access to internal LAPD files!? Pretty impressive.
 
i just wish the police would hunt for murderers and pedophiles like they do cop killers......there would never be an unsolved murder in this country....

you kill a cop and your life is over and good luck surviving long enough to stand trial.
 
Well I'm just trying to paint a picture for you of what will happen. I'm not familiar with the internals of the LAPD but I'm pretty sure that departmental trials leave room for termination. All I'm saying is that in this case it probably won't happen.

I think that we're in complete agreement on the point that nothing substantive will happen to them.
 
i just wish the police would hunt for murderers and pedophiles like they do cop killers......there would never be an unsolved murder in this country....

you kill a cop and your life is over and good luck surviving long enough to stand trial.

Oh well, don't kill cops.
 
When ever it comes up why the civilian population is skeptical of the Police Force this is a classic example. I still don't understand why the opened fire in the first placed? What caused them to pull the trigger and empty their magazines (probably multiple magazines) into this vehicle? And, when it brought forth that these officers have not been fired it makes it that much more difficult to say that the Police are there to protect and serve. This is a travesty plain and simple!