Rem 20" 5R & 155gr Scenars. What powder, and will they jump like SMK?

[groundhogbuster]

I just got in some 155 scenars, and I've found my LR (1K) load with the 175 SMK (45gr Varget @2.810" COAL/Win case, Fed 215 primer/ .3-.5 @100-1000yd) And the 168 SMK's shoot just as good but I have to use my turrets much more past 5-600yd, with 46gr of Varget. Both shoot .5" or better at 100 in 5 shot groups. I started working with the 168 Amax, and noticed it shot well but I had to play with my COAL and seat closer to the lands to get the same accuracy as the SMK's.
Now I have the 155g Scenars, and heard someone on here did alot of testing with this pill with several powders. I have my stand by Varget, H4895, BLC2, BenchMark, RL17. Any ideas on seating depth, powder etc? I'm looking for something I can push hard for 3-500yd and a .5 or better @ 100yds, for some groundhog shooting, since Jon Beanland won't have my 260 finished until next month. Any advice appreciated.

 

[midmoguy]

Well I just started working on a load for them yesterday. Loaded up 44.5gr of varget, wlr primer with .010 jump and got .189 moa out of my 3 testers. I would say keep the jump to a minimum if your mag will allow it. I read alot online before I started and the majority of people had good luck in the 45gr range. A few were running upwards of 48gr compressed but it would be almost impossible to fit that much in a lapua case in my opinion.

 

[Niles Coyote]

GHB you should run into a node with the 155 scenar around 46.5-47 of varget. I never got it to shoot well out of my tactical, so I moved on... my varmint loved 46.9, Hope your luck is different in the 5r.

 

[groundhogbuster]

GHB you should run into a node with the 155 scenar around 46.5-47 of varget. I never got it to shoot well out of my tactical, so I moved on... my varmint loved 46.9, Hope your luck is different in the 5r.

Thanks again Ncoyote, as well as everyone. I always heard they needed a good kick in the pants, and I', running 46g for my 168's. What kind of vel were you getting from the 46.5-47g of varget? I'd like to push them to 2900 if possible. Also were you shooting them close to the lands, or jumping them? BTW I ran the 175's through a different chrono with my 45g load and was getting 2680fps, and the other was 2700+. I never imagined I could get above 2600 with a 20" tube, but this darn thing is just fast is all I can say. Was hoping to do some development this weekend, but like every weekend I've had so far, just flooding here. I plan to single shot load this round so if it likes em in the lands, that's where I'll put em.

 

[groundhogbuster]

Well I just started working on a load for them yesterday. Loaded up 44.5gr of varget, wlr primer with .010 jump and got .189 moa out of my 3 testers. I would say keep the jump to a minimum if your mag will allow it. I read alot online before I started and the majority of people had good luck in the 45gr range. A few were running upwards of 48gr compressed but it would be almost impossible to fit that much in a lapua case in my opinion.

BTW I only use Win cases in my .308's. I know Lapua is good stuff, and what I shoot in my 6mm's, PPC's, and BR's but I have seen no improvement from Lapua shooting steel at distance. I even loaded up some plinking rds using Fed cases not long ago, and 5 went into less than a 2" group at 300 yds. (1.65").

 

[Niles Coyote]

Thanks again Ncoyote, as well as everyone. I always heard they needed a good kick in the pants, and I', running 46g for my 168's. What kind of vel were you getting from the 46.5-47g of varget? I'd like to push them to 2900 if possible. Also were you shooting them close to the lands, or jumping them? BTW I ran the 175's through a different chrono with my 45g load and was getting 2680fps, and the other was 2700+. I never imagined I could get above 2600 with a 20" tube, but this darn thing is just fast is all I can say. Was hoping to do some development this weekend, but like every weekend I've had so far, just flooding here. I plan to single shot load this round so if it likes em in the lands, that's where I'll put em.

I played with both the 155 amax and scenar and was running 2715 and 2740 as adv, I forget which went with which. I was jumping from mag length and as soon as I saw the velocity I was getting with the scenar I discontinued using them in that 308 to save them for another where they performed great. So I didn’t play with them much too fine tune. The A-max was shooting great from the start but with that velocity I discontinued shooting them once I shot the 100 or so that I had. The Tactical sees a steady diet of 168 A-max or 175 smk's now for general target shooting and 168 berger vlds when I go after deer.

 

[Macmathews]

These jump just fine for me..

this winter . I was pushing them in my .308 5R..
With 43 grains of XBR 8208 and got 2 hits out of 7 on a balloon at 1000 Yards..

I couldn't get the balloon at all with AMAX's

I am currently trying for a higher node with the XBR.

I don't consider myself an exceptional shot

Kyle

 

[cotntop]

I switched to 2000MR and enjoy the increase in speed and accuracy. The powder loads easy. Gonna try some in my LTR when weather clears.

 

[peaceatwar]

The very first load I am building for my GAP gun will be Varget over 210Ms pushing 155 Scenars so I always love to see some threads on it. I went through the "reloading for .308" thread and plucked all the posts with scenars + varget if you want the data all together:

45.8 gr. Varget
155 Scenar
Lapua Brass
CCI Br-2 Primer
OAL 2.825 (don't know about relationship to lands; never checked it)

Runs around 2910 with about 11 fps SD; very accurate load in my rifle; 32 MOA to 1000 yards at 200' and around 90 degrees.

Lapua brass, Lapua 155 scenar
CCIBR2
Varget 47.8
OAL 2.925
single load only
CAUTION THIS IS WAY OVER MAX, WORK UP TO

Used this load thru Kali summer zero pressure problems
Routinely ran 3000fps from 26" Rem Varmint barrel
Shoots pert good, used by several palma guys

high power load
brass : Lapua
primer: 210
powder: Varget 47.0gn
bullet: 155 Scenar
OAL 2.900ish
shoots bugholes



155 scenar
45.5 varget
210m primer
lapua case

Out of my GAP crusader I am getting 2850fps and 10 shot groups under .3 easy when I do my part. My best 10 shot group with this load is .2!!!

Gap kicks ass!!!

Bullet: 155 Scenar
Brass: Lapua
Cond’n: Unfired
Primer: CCI BR2
Pwdr: Varget
Grs: 45.6
Seated: .009 from the lands
Sinclair Comparator: 2.125
OAL: 2.860
Temp: 40
Vel Avg of 5 rounds: 2825fps
ES: 53
SD: 29
Pressure signs: None
Accuracy 5 shot groups: Sub .5 MOA to 200 meters

Lapua brass
155gr Scenar
46.0gr Varget
CCI BR2 primer
OAL 2.840 max that will feed from AICS mag
Velocity avg is 2870 fps
ES 39
SD 12.85

155 Scenar
46.6gr Varget
Rem brass<new>
CCI 200
2.895" OAL
2878fps 5shot avg
10.9 ES
4.4SD
3.2 AD
<1/2"MOA 100yd.

KMW .308
24" Krieger MTU
Lapua Brass
BR2 primer
46.2 gn. Varget
155 SCENAR just barely off lands
2875 fps @ 80 Degrees F.

shoots outstanding out to 1K!!!!

Win/BHA brass
47.5gr Varget
fed 210
155 Lapua Scenar
2.4 OAL (from ogive)...about 2.86 OAL

2900fps
ES 12
SD 7

Lapua 155gr Scenar
New Winchester Cases
CCI BR2 Primer
2.845" COAL



47gr Varget

1. 2846
2. 2821
3. 2834
4. 2823
5. 2838

2832.4fps Avg

ES 25
SD 8.4


Lapua Scenar 155gr
Varget Powder 45.5gr.
Lapua Brass
CCI BR2 Primer
OAL 2.891
MV at 2800 fps out of my 24" stainless 5R barrel

 

[dar1246]

Try the 8208 with the 155 bullets. They work great with them. Match up with FGM 210 primers or FGM 205 if Lapua palma brass.

 

[ncboiler]

45.5 gr of Varget with Lapua brass and BR-2 primers worked well in my 5R. I think this load was 2825.

 

[afate45]

I posted a 155 scenar load with 2000MR in the 308 load thread in Reloading Depot. Check it out. Was able to push them to 3010 FPS out of a 24in 1:10 twist barrel. Looks promising...can't wait to do a full OCW test this weekend.

 

[peaceatwar]

I posted a 155 scenar load with 2000MR in the 308 load thread in Reloading Depot. Check it out. Was able to push them to 3010 FPS out of a 24in 1:10 twist barrel. Looks promising...can't wait to do a full OCW test this weekend.

Damn altitude.

 

[afate45]

lol...yep. 5200ft