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POF versus LWRC - help me decide

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Was at my LGS today looking for a 7.62 AR. I really want an LWRC but thought I would check out what was available locally. LGS had a POF that was priced $400-$600 less than an LWRC. The LGS owner told me the piston system is exactly the same in both guns. He indicated both (as well as LMT) shoot 1/2 MOA out of the box, so why pay more for the LWRC? I know absolutely nothing about POF so was hoping to get some feedback and opinions from the members of this forum. Is there $400-$600 worth of advantage built into the LWRC as compared to the POF?
 
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This has been discussed at length in past threads, you may be better off searching the subject. I have a POF and love it, many others have the LWRC and love them as well. I think at the end of the day they are both good systems and it comes down to personal preference. Some of the early POF's had some problems, but they seem to have worked those issues out in the current rifles. If you plan on buying the POF I would make sure it is a newer models. I think you will be happy with either rifle, but $400-$600 would go a long way towards good glass/ammo/mags/accessories. Good luck to you.
 
I own an lwrc repr 20. I love it and it is barely sub moa although I have not finished load development yet. You will find a lot more people claiming the pofs are more accurate more often and I believe them. Lwrc says 1 1/4 moa is acceptable for their repr. I love every feature of mine. I will post up pics and some more info tomorrow.
 
Both are high quality rifles and capable in the hands of a proper shooter and with proper ammo, however, I continue to support POF as I have had nothing but excellent service from my rifles (including a 20" P308), as well as excellent experiences with Frank, the owner/operator of the company. It all comes down to what you personally want/need and your budget.

In my experience, the POF rifles will be slightly more accurate than the LWRC (with my hand loads and some high quality match factory ammo that doesn't get used often, my 20" P308 is sub-MOA all day and can get into the 3/4MOA range when I'm doing my part as I should). BUT...as I said before...both are of very high quality. For me...I couldn't justify the addt'l money spent on the REPR unless you just want the side-charger or its form/features appeal to you personally over the POF.

As for the piston system allegedly being "exactly the same in both guns"...that isn't an accurate statement in my experience with the rifles whatsoever, but their basic system of operation (short-stroke piston) is the same in terms of how they generally function/operate.
 
My vote is for POF, obviously. What you get with the LWRC price increase is it comes with a Geissele trigger and a Magpul PRS. The bone-stock POF is $2600 so once you add the Magpul PRS and a Geissele trigger you're looking at $3,000, give or take. I prefer the POF gas-trap piston system over the LWRC which uses springs.
 
POF versus LWRC - help me decide

LWRC without question. I am sure they (pof) have fixed their customer service issues and some QA issues but I just can't get over it. Lets just say I would buy a Hogan before a POF. I feel that LWRC makes a superior product and they keep advancing with newer models and not much has changed for the other company.


I would also add that LWRC is used in more bad places throughout the world than POF.
 
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LWRC without question. I am sure they (pof) have fixed their customer service issues and some QA issues but I just can't get over it. Lets just say I would buy a Hogan before a POF. I feel that LWRC makes a superior product and they keep advancing with newer models and not much has changed for the other company.


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I'm curious to hear what makes LWRC superior and/or what advancement they've made. If LWRC is superior, why did the California Department of Fish & Game choose the POF over the LWRC to equip their agents with?

I'm not trying to start another debate or an argument but merely stating that there are flaws in your theory.
 
Obviously, all the reports of POF accuracy can't be wrong - most are well reviewed by their owners. My experience with a 16 inch spiral fluted REPR has been excellent. Well under MOA with 168gr FGMM and ran flawlessly with 8 or 10 different brands/types of ammo, including some Santa Barbara 147gr surplus that choked down an OBR every time. Fantastic machine, with and without a suppressor. Good people, good company and a fine product. Barrels on LWRC can be selective about what they like, in my experience. If you get one, try different loads until you find the one or two that really shine through your barrel - although that's true of most firearms. Mine like 168gr FGMM and for the 5.56 rifles I have found 69 and 77gr FGMM to be sub-moa, as well as the PMC 55gr FMJ.
 
KillShot said:
I'm curious to hear what makes LWRC superior and/or what advancement they've made. If LWRC is superior, why did the California Department of Fish & Game choose the POF over the LWRC to equip their agents with?

I'm not trying to start another debate or an argument but merely stating that there are flaws in your theory.
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Ok.... It is in my opinion just like everyone else's here. I already mentioned that garbage and problems that POF had a few years back and gave them the benefit of doubt they have fixed it. After all someone else was pretty much making the gun for them. In any case, through experience I have seen firsthand issues with feeding, ftf, and even the hand guard falling apart. I have actually handled, shot, abused, both weapon systems and feel LWRC has put out a better product overall....but don't bring up the fish and game...I was referring to real operators in my post not someone who just takes the weapon in and out of hot standby and never sends a round down range. I am not trying to make this some huge debate, as you pointed out to the OP it was already exhausted in another thread. Just get what you like, be happy with it, and keep training with it. Good luck.


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becker999 said:
Ok.... It is in my opinion just like everyone else's here. I already mentioned that garbage and problems that POF had a few years back and gave them the benefit of doubt they have fixed it. After all someone else was pretty much making the gun for them. In any case, through experience I have seen firsthand issues with feeding, ftf, and even the hand guard falling apart. I have actually handled, shot, abused, both weapon systems and feel LWRC has put out a better product overall....but don't bring up the fish and game...I was referring to real operators in my post not someone who just takes the weapon in and out of hot standby and never sends a round down range. I am not trying to make this some huge debate, as you pointed out to the OP it was already exhausted in another thread. Just get what you like, be happy with it, and keep training with it. Good luck.

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How many operators have you known or seen, on the front lines, using an LWRC? I brought up the fish and game because as indicated the POF beat out many other rifles, including the LWRC, after a torture test of over 10,000 or so rounds and different scenarios. That being said, the POF will suit any need the OP may have whether he's an operator or not. If it will stand up to what the CDFG put it through, the OP shouldn't have any reservations choosing POF.
 
It's a government contract...everyone knows those are back door deals. If you really think the gubmint really gives two $hit$ about superior quality for its minions then you are sadly disillusioned. And yes this is from exoerience as well. Additionally I was not referring to "front line" troops, there is more that goes on outside of the cameras in bad places than you know. Either way don't get all bent out of shape because I am not a POF fan. I did suggest to get whatever you like and first and foremost train, train, train.....rather than post some glamour shots of a some safe queen like so many do these days.


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becker999 said:
It's a government contract...everyone knows those are back door deals. If you really think the gubmint really gives two $hit$ about superior quality for its minions then you are sadly disillusioned. And yes this is from exoerience as well. Additionally I was not referring to "front line" troops, there is more that goes on outside of the cameras in bad places than you know. Either way don't get all bent out of shape because I am not a POF fan. I did suggest to get whatever you like and first and foremost train, train, train...rather than post some glamour shots of a some safe queen like so many do these days.


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Oh, believe me...I'm not the least bit bent out of shape as I was only stating facts. It's common knowledge that there are "backdoor deals" when dealing with the government but to suggest or imply that one brand was chosen over another based solely on cost and while sacrificing quality and safety if the men and women using it is absurd.
 
Your funny....... We will just agree to disagree.

To the OP.... My intention was not derail YOUR thread but offer up some of my experiences since you pretty much had all POF votes. Do your own research and don't put too much stock into magazine reviews as they are basically paid advertisements anyway. Get what you like and keep training. Good luck.


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Thanks for the feedback. By the way USSS SOD uses LWRC but I did laugh at the "hot standby" comment above. By the way, I did - prior to posting my OP - do a search on this forum for discussions on POF vs LWRC and all I came accross was this:
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-field-photography/694-hot-girlfriends-thread-233.html which is totally awesome, but not super helpful.
OK, I'm not a sniper or an operator just a retired Army scout who likes his weapons of high quality. Appreciate the feedback on accuracy on both platforms. It's also been suggested that I take a very close look at LMT, as that platform is even better than the LWRC & POF. Please keep the feedback coming as this is very helpful. Much appreciated!
 
Omega,

I have a POF 20" P308 and love it. It will out shoot me all day everyday. The rifle will shoot sub MOA easily when I do my part behind the trigger. I started with a stripped lower then built it my way. I then found a complete 20" upper to match up with it. This set up has worked VERY well for me. I too am of the school of thought as others stated "Buy once, cry once" so I stuck with a quality trigger, stock and safety. I wanted a quality rifle with same ergonomics, operating system and feel of the other rifles I have. I really liked the POF style of AR and so now I own 2 other POF rifles also, a P415 and a 6.8II.

With that said, I have had one problem with my P308. It would cycle too fast and spin the spent case 180 degrees in the upper receiver then jamming when the new round was stripped and fed from the magazine. It would happen every 3rd or 4th round no matter the rate of fire. I called POF and followed it up with an email with pictures. That same day I had a prepaid shipping invoice in my hands to send it back to POF. Cody DeSomma called me and said "You spent a lot of money on your rifle, let me make it work the right way for you, we stand behind our products" I had my rifle back in 2 days and haven't had a single problem with it since even with shooting all different types of ammo.

As you can see there are many fans of POF, myself included. You will also see many fans of other manufacturers, sort of Ford, Dodge and Chevy. Everyone likes what they like, and use what works for them. I just wanted to share with you what has worked for me, and my experiences with POF rifles. Lastly, buy a used, not abused rifle in whatever flavor you like. Use the money you saved vs new, and buy ammo and then get training. Just my .02

Stay safe
 
I prefer DI rifles - it's a time-proven design on the AR platform with better part supply and support after the fact. That's not to say piston AR's are better or worse, the design is simply not beneficial on an AR unless you're running a suppressed rifle with a barrel-length under 14" (this has been tested ad nauseum on M4C).

That said, between the two, LWRC. Nothing against POF, the LWRC just has less proprietary parts and will be easier to troubleshoot and maintain if you ever need to do so.
 
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I prefer DI rifles - it's a time-proven design on the AR platform with better part supply and support after the fact. That's not to say piston AR's are better or worse, the design is simply not beneficial on an AR unless you're running a suppressed rifle with a barrel-length under 14" (this has been tested ad nauseum on M4C).

That said, between the two, LWRC. Nothing against POF, the LWRC just has less proprietary parts and will be easier to troubleshoot and maintain if you ever need to do so.
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Can't say I completely agree with this statement about DI system being more time proven than the piston system. The piston system has been used far more and much longer IE the AK platform is and always has been a piston system. If you look at the history of the DI system it had it's fair share of problems in the early years as well. That being said my only problem with the LWRC is that if you are going to spend $3K on a rifle it should at least be MOA capable. As said before opinions are like butt holes every one has one and they are all different. Look at the features and options of both systems and choose the one that best suits your needs and wants.
 
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Can't say I completely agree with this statement about DI system being more time proven than the piston system. The piston system has been used far more and much longer IE the AK platform is and always has been a piston system. If you look at the history of the DI system it had it's fair share of problems in the early years as well. That being said my only problem with the LWRC is that if you are going to spend $3K on a rifle it should at least be MOA capable. As said before opinions are like butt holes every one has one and they are all different. Look at the features and options of both systems and choose the one that best suits your needs and wants.
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Skyyr said:
it's a time-proven design on the AR platform
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The key verbiage was "on the AR platform." There's many different systems for running a gas gun, but that doesn't mean you can slap one system from one gun onto another and instantly inherit nothing but the benefits of said system. Just because the HK roller-lock system is dead reliable doesn't mean you can put it on an AR and expect it to work. That's what the piston system adaptation was and, until the last year to year and half, it caused more problems that it solved. Luckily, most of those issues are resolved now, but if you look at the situation objectively, nothing really changed in terms of AR performance.

Again, not to get into a debate over it, it's been discussed on Lightfighter and M4C to death. In the end, there were no measurable benefits unless the user was running a suppressed AR with a barrel under 14". Coupled with making the weapon more muzzle-heavy than DI-variants and adding proprietary parts (since piston AR's do not have a standard reference like DI rifles), why do it? Again, this isn't a knock on piston AR's - they aren't better or worse, they're simply a more expensive, added complexity.

Most users would be better off buying a DI rifle and spending the savings on magazines, an optic, or a case of ammo (with cost differences ranging anywhere from $200 - $700+, depending on the rifle you buy).

Again, nothing against pistons whatsoever - they're great guns, they just aren't really doing anything advantageous for most users. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
This is a Ford vs Chevy type debate. There will never be a solution.

Buy the one that gives you a woody, either choice is a winner.
 
Reference the Calif Fish and Game argument. I have some experience with this. When a government agency wants a particular design they often go to the manufacturer and ask them to write a spec that will exclude their competition.
DOD changed the specs on the carbine competition six weeks before submission and it booted LWRC out of the running.
Another way the government gets what it wants or who it wants.
As for DI or Piston = IMHO - DI for smaller calibers unsuppressed - piston for suppressed and piston for larger calibers.
If you are asking my opinion on LWRC or POF - I would say do some more research and make you own decision. This is a great place to hear opinions but you should also expand your research. I have seen this argument go on for years and it has swung from POF to being in favor or LWRC.
I own 4 LRWCs and like them but I would be very pleased with a POF provided it has those elements I consider essential such as CHF barrel in the twist I want - Salt Nitrite barrel treatment - Geiselle Trigger - Nickel Boron BCG -ect ect ect .
So perhaps the better question is which manufacturer or even which rifle has those things that I want on and in my rifle.
 
Get the pof. I went through the same thing. The stock pof trigger is 4.5 pounds and breaks like glass. No need to upgrade. The gas system is simple with no springs to fail. I have a pof415 and have put about 200 rounds through it. Including wolf and Tula. Not one issue. As others have said make sure it's the newest model. The pof is the smoothest shooting ar I've shot, including noveske.
 
Skyyr said:
That's what the piston system adaptation was and, until the last year to year and half, it caused more problems than it solved. Luckily, most of those issues are resolved now, but if you look at the situation objectively, nothing really changed in terms of AR performance.
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WTF? "Until the last year and a half, it caused more problems than it solved. Luckily, most of those issues are resolved now."

What problems were caused by the piston system that were resolved in the last year and a half? Keep in mind that I bought two LWRC uppers back in late 2007 and they have chewed through plenty of ammo without any problems.

Please fill me in on this info.
 
Funny, I wasn't actually married to the piston mechanism, it just happens these two are piston ARs. For everyone who said to look at Larue, thanks, but the few that are actually for sale are well over $3800 and just out of my price range. I'm really more in the $2000-$2700 range but would jump to $2900 for something amazing. I'm also not married to .308, just wanted to try a new caliber since my existing ARs are all 5.56. I don't shoot suppressed. Based on what I'm hearing from you guys and research I'm doing, I'm starting to lean towards Noveske and LMT now. Noveske's are hard to find, LMTs are not as much. Also, have read that LMT's "piston design has a problem with carrier tilt - one of the few current piston designs that still do". That's from 2/2012. Any thoughts on the accuracy of that statement?
 
I have 2 LMT Piston carbines. I have over 5k through 1 and 1k through the other. No signs of carrier tilt. I do run an h3 in 1 and a slash's heavy in the other since it is a suppressed full time carbine.
 
POF 415 is a great gun. The AR 10's from POF have been dissapointing. Thats just the ones I've been around, about 5, One of the 5 does shoot really really well though. I would go LWRC over POF
 
One really should not forget the PWS offerings...just to muddy the waters a bit more for you. ;-)
 
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One really should not forget the PWS offerings...just to muddy the waters a bit more for you. ;-)
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Good point .... I was staying away from that one since the OP only mentioned the two, but I also have a PWS mk216 and she rocks. Another quality manufacturer.


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mike in pa said:
WTF? "Until the last year and a half, it caused more problems than it solved. Luckily, most of those issues are resolved now."

What problems were caused by the piston system that were resolved in the last year and a half? Keep in mind that I bought two LWRC uppers back in late 2007 and they have chewed through plenty of ammo without any problems.

Please fill me in on this info.
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Carrier tilt and accelerated upper receiver wear. Because the DI system is, well, vented gas, the force exerted on the carrier key is uniform and so it is a perfectly distributed when cycling the bolt carrier group. The piston system is a direct impact that induces torque, causing the BCG to rotate downward and strike the lip of the receiver extension. This also caused the upper receiver to wear unnecessarily as well, due to the vertical movement/rotation of the BCG.

Different manufacturers solved this at different times, but it was a fairly consistent problems for most piston AR's until last the last year or two.

If your LWRCs are original from 2007 (and haven't been serviced/had parts replaced), you may want to take a look at the receiver extension and upper receiver cam pin track - they will almost always exhibit wear from this.
 
POF and LWRC REPR are great systems. I love my REPR. If it's important to you look at customer service and warranty. There you will find a difference.
 
not owning either, i have a POF ambi ar-15 lower i'm building, and i love the parts. i also have a LWRC upper on a pistol (sbr in waiting) and it's great.

now, i like the non-reciprocating side-charging handle of the REPR. i think that's the #1 think i like on the REPR. i was helping a friend/customer pick out a 308 AR pattern rifle, and we looked at both the LWRC and POFs under a magnifying glass. there's pros and cons with both. i think my biggest CON on the POF is that i don't like that handguard they use. i'm not a fan
 
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Carrier tilt and accelerated upper receiver wear. Because the DI system is, well, vented gas, the force exerted on the carrier key is uniform and so it is a perfectly distributed when cycling the bolt carrier group. The piston system is a direct impact that induces torque, causing the BCG to rotate downward and strike the lip of the receiver extension. This also caused the upper receiver to wear unnecessarily as well, due to the vertical movement/rotation of the BCG.

Different manufacturers solved this at different times, but it was a fairly consistent problems for most piston AR's until last the last year or two.

If your LWRCs are original from 2007 (and haven't been serviced/had parts replaced), you may want to take a look at the receiver extension and upper receiver cam pin track - they will almost always exhibit wear from this.
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Sorry Dude, no problems with mine, besides they had that stuff figured out back then.
 
I've owned almost ever high dollar ar-10 (this includes:REPR, MWS, OBR and SR-25/service rifle)... however, no POF's or GAP-10's.


but from my trials and errors.... OBR wins this debate hands down.
 
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Sorry Dude, no problems with mine, besides they had that stuff figured out back then.
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The "stuff" that they figured out was the enlarged tail on the bolt carrier. This prevented vertical movement when the piston traveled into the receiver extension. Rifles with newer bolts resolved the issue. Rifles with the older style bolts still displayed wear on the receiver extension. Any of the rifles with an older-style BCG would have this issue, so it's not laterally exclusive.
 
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Neither

Pof= hit or miss and BAD CS
Lwrc = just ok accuracy and a piston like the pof

Get an LMT and call it a day.
 
OK cool thread- new to the forum so this is a few months late...I have owned both in 5.56

LWRCI= perfect fit and finish.. unreal and unmatched a true AR-15 but just running a piston and a really great bolt carrier. other than that all parts seem swappable.. which equals integration.. If my bolt blows out i can grab a standard.. Accuracy- well it really did stink- i ran this rifle for (M6-A3 16") for 2 years and could never get it to MOA @ 100. however i never did a trigger job on it and really I think that is all that was missing.

POF= very nice fit and finish. about the same as the LWRCI- a little lighter--.. (14.5) but out of the box excellent! trigger came with their own match drop in- crisp and clean- rated 4.5 not bad.. but helps the groups.. (this is a may 2013 model) I decided to get the P308 in a 20" which I am waiting for next week maybe. but the system is identical so to speak. (no mil spec) but trigger is the same.. system same.

the gas piston system compared between the two- I like the POF a little better.. no spring.. no where out on that then... cleaning the piston is a breeze as well.. LWRCI- you remove the upper rail. more parts... more fail. especially if your optic is sitting on that part..

These are my notes on the two- I have only shot the POF on 3 different days so far. but really I love it so much more.. again the wight and accuracy play in- as my LWRCI was a 16" tank that always soured me a tad bit.. this was before they really spent time dropping the weight of their rifles... (Aug 2010 build? about)

Go to a range that has both with recent versions- shoot both and find what you fell you could do a good job with- thats always what it comes down to .. the rifle and the operator.
 
I also would get an LMT MWS. My friend had a new POF 308 and had to send it back 2X for FTE and FT extract. Came back both times with the same problem. Fortunately his business takes him to Scottsdale, AZ, he lives in Flagstaff, AZ, and took it to POF himself. He did his work and picked up the rifle before he left for Flagstaff and they had it fixed at last. I have a POF 415 and love it and wanted to get the 308 version scared me off it. I ended up with an LMT MSW.
 
I am new to the 308 AR game but not, by any means, new to shooting. Been doing it since I was 8 and just turned 71.
LGS turned me on to a KAC SR15 for my first AR stating that if I go ahead and buy top of the line, I won't feel the need to throw a ton of money at the gun to make it do what it is supposed to. I'm pretty much just a paper puncher these days as even climbing down into or back up from the prone can be a bit of a chore. LGS was right though, until this week I haven't had to touch that Knights and it just runs and shoots pretty darn well.

Back on topic, I picked up an 18" REPR that floated in the door on consignment. Gun had about 50 rounds through it, 4 mags and 3 battle packs of ammo, along with a Nikon 3x9 cheap scope in a LaRue 104 mount. I took it, as is, to the range and was a bit disappointed with the performance, abt 1.5 MOA at 100 yd with the 147 g stuff and I was totally unable to get comfy behind the rifle with the bag setup I had. Gun cycled and fed everything and was very smooth. Recoil, compared to my Ruger Gunsight Scout, was pretty light but that is to be expected considering the difference in weight of the guns.

Back to the range two weeks ago with some different equipment, a good front rest, a Swarovski Z5 3.5x18x44 and some modification (a folded microfiber towel) to get my eye behind the scope and a couple boxes of FGMM 168g. Major difference. 1. The gun now fit me better, 2. I learned a lot about shooting one of these things. 3. The gun is breaking in nicely. It seems to be smoother now.

Anyway, groups were MOA or a little less with two towards the end of the session with 4 rounds touching in a clover pattern and one flier (called) that opened things up to MOA. I'm pretty impressed with the gun.

Back on topic, the LGS has a 5.56 POF on the wall and it is a pretty slick handling and by eyeball, well put together rifle. If I wasn't planning on building a bolt gun next, I would probably pick the gun up as a companion to my Knights. I doubt there is very much to choose between either brand. Quality doesn't always show in the shiny stuff but it is certainly an indicator that someone cares.
 
I would go LWRC I have a repr and it shoots great I can get sub moa with mine and I love the way it feels with a can it is great. I had a 223 pof and I did not like how front heavy it was but it was very accurate. I just do not like how their rifles look but that is my opinion.
 
My opionions on my LWRC: M6A2 16" 556.

For the money I think this is a helluva rifle and I plan to purchase more LWRC rifles in future. I would have gladly paid more money to have some of my listed items addressed.
Please take these observations with a grain of salt. I am a engineer and I like things to be perfect.
With that said, I am being EXTREMELY critical with my opionions so please don't flame me for bashing LWRC. These are MY opionions on what I would like to be improved.

1) The upper and lower had a good amount of slop. I know that some of you out there will scream from the mountain top that the "slop doesnt affect accuracy and helps with reliability". I completely disagree. Without a mounted optic the slop wasnt really noticiable. The slop only really showed itself after I put my Swaro 1.5-6 on top. With the heavy swaro glass attached to the upper the crosshairs would rock horizontally .5-.7 mil at 100yd. I ended up using a accuwedge to tighten up the upper and lower.
2) I had to correctly index the front rail to zero in my BUIS.
3) Occasionally the 2 front screws that hold down the removable zero stop top rail will shoot loose. I remedied this with a thin strip of black Velcro around the rail that ensures the top rail will not move.
4) I was not a fan of the heavy stock FCS and replaced it with a SD3G.
5) I am looking around for a replacement bolt-release lever that is wider. With a BAD installed the bolt release lever has quite a bit of play.

** I have run just over 1000 rounds of mostly 62gr green tip without any hiccupps whatsoever. This rifle eats up anything you shove into it. It will hold 1.5" at 100yds with a 1-power H1 reddot all day long.
 
Samnev
I was using Prvi Partizan 308 Winchester HP BT 168G Mil Spc. Just happened that everything worked and I really worked on trigger discipline and follow thru.
 
POF versus LWRC - help me decide

Tahoe333 said:
My opionions on my LWRC: M6A2 16" 556.

For the money I think this is a helluva rifle and I plan to purchase more LWRC rifles in future. I would have gladly paid more money to have some of my listed items addressed.
Please take these observations with a grain of salt. I am a engineer and I like things to be perfect.
With that said, I am being EXTREMELY critical with my opionions so please don't flame me for bashing LWRC. These are MY opionions on what I would like to be improved.

1) The upper and lower had a good amount of slop. I know that some of you out there will scream from the mountain top that the "slop doesnt affect accuracy and helps with reliability". I completely disagree. Without a mounted optic the slop wasnt really noticiable. The slop only really showed itself after I put my Swaro 1.5-6 on top. With the heavy swaro glass attached to the upper the crosshairs would rock horizontally .5-.7 mil at 100yd. I ended up using a accuwedge to tighten up the upper and lower.
2) I had to correctly index the front rail to zero in my BUIS.
3) Occasionally the 2 front screws that hold down the removable zero stop top rail will shoot loose. I remedied this with a thin strip of black Velcro around the rail that ensures the top rail will not move.
4) I was not a fan of the heavy stock FCS and replaced it with a SD3G.
5) I am looking around for a replacement bolt-release lever that is wider. With a BAD installed the bolt release lever has quite a bit of play.

** I have run just over 1000 rounds of mostly 62gr green tip without any hiccupps whatsoever. This rifle eats up anything you shove into it. It will hold 1.5" at 100yds with a 1-power H1 reddot all day long.
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I originally had an M6A2 and noticed some of the things you noted. I did not like the heavy and short quad rail. I sold it and bought another LWRC but a newer version the SPR and there is a huge difference as I think they addressed some of those issues. Also I hear the new IC is even better. In any case I love the $hit out of this rifle. I am taking it to a two day course do we will see how it has up run hard.
 
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