2013 Competition Dynamics 24hr Sniper Challenge

[roostercomb]

Hey guys, my team mate and I are starting to train for the 24 hour Sniper Adventure Challenge by Competition Dynamics and have a few questions....

1. What is the best way to train for this? Our goal is to finish and shoot well, so we've been lifting weights 2-3 time a week and watching some Magpul Videos...

2. What is a good long range weapon platform? I know it's a little late in the game to start looking for a long range gun, but I only have a carbine and the rules say the minimum caliber is 6mm. I can borrow a Ruger M77 chambered in 7.62x39 with a Redfield 3-9 scope. I know the scope is a little lacking for 1500 yards, but do you think the 7.62x39 is too light?

3. My team mate wants to carry his dads Galil as the carbine. He thinks it will is more reliable than the AR. Has anyone had experience with the Galil?

Any info is appreciated.

 

[jordan0317]

I can borrow a Ruger M77 chambered in 7.62x39 with a Redfield 3-9 scope. I know the scope is a little lacking for 1500 yards, but do you think the 7.62x39 is too light?


Any info is appreciated.

 

[cpt.creedmoor]

Um.......I got nothin on this one....good luck

 

[dogman]

The snozzberries taste like snozzberries.

 

[poison123]

To quote the Ewok....."You about to get RAPED!"

 

[Inogame]

I would call Stephanie or Will Hayden at Red Jacket immediately... they will be able to set you up with a gamechanga in plenty of time for your competition.

 

[Don'tTaseMeBro]

What the actual fuck? This is so full of winning, my pecker just rose to half mast.......

 

[roostercomb]

So I figured this area of this site may have some guys that could provide useful info.

 

[poison123]

So I figured this area of this site may have some guys that could provide useful info.

If you ask a useful question, you may get a useful answer.

 

[roostercomb]

Can you please just answer my questions?

 

[poison123]

Fine you want a serious answer here you go:

1.) Lifting ain't going to do you shit. Ruck with a 50+ pound pack several times a week for 5-10 miles at a time. Quite watching the magpul video's, they will gain you nothing, get out and shoot.
2.) If you think a 7.62x39 with a Redfield 3-9 scope is going to be able to engage their targets at 500 yards let alone past 1k+ you need to rethink this comp and this sport.
3.) While the galil isn't bad.....I might think about using something a bit more accurate.

In my opinion if your questions were even remotely serious you should NOT shoot this match because you are flat out going to get your shit pushed in.

 

[Kentucky Jelly]

Fine you want a serious answer here you go:


2.) If you think a 7.62x39 with a Redfield 3-9 scope is going to be able to engage their targets at 500 yards let alone past 1k+ you need to rethink this comp and this sport.

I beg to differ. Happy Gilmore accomplished that feat no more than an hour ago..

 

[roostercomb]

What is a good bullet for that range?

 

[poison123]

What is a good bullet for that range?

At a min .308 with 175 Matchkings.....and thats pushing it in my opinion.

 

[Mike]

These are serious answers. If you don't like the bluntness then put on some big boy panties or go to another feel good site.

Hey guys, my team mate and I are starting to train for the 24 hour Sniper Adventure Challenge by Competition Dynamics and have a few questions....

1. What is the best way to train for this? Our goal is to finish and shoot well, so we've been lifting weights 2-3 time a week and watching some Magpul Videos...

Forget the Magpul videos. They're a marketing gimmick. Although there is some good information in there it's nothing more than their opinion which weighs nothing above anyone else. Next, lifting is not going to do you a lot of good but if you insist on it I would concentrate on high rep intervals. It's going to be about the long haul and as Sean pointed out real world type of exposure is what's going to do you the best.

2. What is a good long range weapon platform? I know it's a little late in the game to start looking for a long range gun, but I only have a carbine and the rules say the minimum caliber is 6mm. I can borrow a Ruger M77 chambered in 7.62x39 with a Redfield 3-9 scope. I know the scope is a little lacking for 1500 yards, but do you think the 7.62x39 is too light?

Carbine's are crap, Ruger M77s are crap, 7.62x39 is crap for what we do, toss the Redfield scope. There is a plethora of information on here and so far nothing you've asked about is remotely good for our game. Read Read Read and learn.

3. My team mate wants to carry his dads Galil as the carbine. He thinks it will is more reliable than the AR. Has anyone had experience with the Galil?

A Galil is a great battle rifle. Battle rifle. It's not an accurate or worthy platform for what we do. Bolt gun for long range shooting is your only option.

Any info is appreciated.

Any other questions?

 

[jbailey]

Roostercomb-
If you are just starting to train for this now, I think you might need to rethink your involvement in this match. You should be well into your training by now, with long-range hiking with land nav being the major activity you have focused on. If you are a novice hiker without sufficient prep, you could get yourself hurt out there and/or put others in jeopardy. Watching videos, of any sort, offer you ZERO value on completing this match.

As far as your firearms go, they look well under the standard. 7.62x39 is simply not a cartridge for long-range match use and even the top shooters will struggle to get hits in any conditions that are anything less than optimal.

My advice would be to drop the match this year and start training up for next year's event now. Safety first bro.

 

[planebuilder]

In my opinion if your questions were even remotely serious you should NOT shoot this match because you are flat out going to get your shit pushed in.

This...

And scrap the M77/3-9, all your going to do add weight for no real purpose....

 

[planebuilder]

is this your first competition? do you know what you're getting into? Last year there were guys that showed up that didnt even make it 3 miles, so I've read... take a look at the CD's website and rethink what you're getting into...

2012 24-HOUR SNIPER ADVENTURE CHALLENGE - - COMPETITION DYNAMICS

 

[roostercomb]

Yeah I'd like to train more but I work full time.

Thanks for the info on the 7.62. I do have an old Remington 700 that's a 30-06. Is this a better option?

 

[Niles Coyote]

I'd go pick up a copy of "Sniper" the 2013 issue, a magazine put out by InterMedia Outdoors. They had a good article from last years 2012 competition that would offer you some helpful advice with gear selection and some insight in how to train for this. But in the short term, you need to already know the answers to the questions you asked for this level of event... especially this late in the game.

 

[Mendocino]

We have an outstanding medical staff.

 

[roostercomb]

Yeah I've gone to the links on their site, that's what got me interested in this competition. I've been a hiker all my life. I'm an Eagle Scout and I like to camp. I just started getting into long range shooting, so I figured this was a good way to enjoy both hobbies.

 

[poison123]

Ignore the naysayers,

1) You will be able to engage all of the targets with the firearms you have described. They also meet the match requirements.

2) You can push your body to do things you never thought possible.

Go have some fun.

Your a fucking idiot. He's not going to be able to hit shit with a 7.62x39 caliber rifle.

 

[Niles Coyote]

I present the Niles Coyote’s fast track program. This regime requires that you have a big budget and are currently a marathon runner or triathlete.

Put yourself through a navigation school (non gps) or at the very least, read everything you can find on the subject and put everything into practice that you read... during this period you will not be able to train for marathons/triathlons as you will be putting on miles in back country practicing your craft. Find and take a precision rifle school with an extreme distance class between now and the match... in your down time start playing memory games.

I’d buy two Remington sendero’s in 7mm rem mag and about 1500-2000 rounds of match ammo. If you can find a factory loading with seirra’s 175 match king that would be ideal or 168 berger vld’s I believe federal loads the first and “the hunting shack” loads the second. The reason for two rifles... you’re going to burn that first barrel up before the match without time to rebarrel and that will be where the second rifle comes in. Get a good optic that will take punishment and doesn’t mind taking a few hard smacks. NF would be the first one I would look to unless you can afford a Schmidt. Don’t skimp out on the mounts, buy quality. Skim bedding and a drop-in timney trigger are advisable additions/improvements to do/have done.

While you’re hiking the back country find some REAL sport stores that have TRUE experts to advise you on back packs and boots and buy several from their recommendations... test and return those that don’t comply with your body/foot type.

Now if you’re not a marathon runner or triathlete, that’s ok... but you will need private funding because you will have to take a leave from work to “do this thing”. The steps are the same but you must now coordinate with a personal trainer that knows how to get you in the shape required in time.


Disregard.

I just looked at the date of the 2013 SNIPER ADVENTURE CHALLENGE... 4-7 JULY 2013... It is my opinion you don’t have the time necessary. Bow out and prepare for 2014 now before it too is to late. Contact Competition Dynamics right now and volunteer to assist in July and take notes.

 

[planebuilder]

I don't know, I say do it. Experience is a great teacher... And so is pain.

 

[planebuilder]

Your a fucking idiot. He's not going to be able to hit shit with a 7.62x39 caliber rifle.

I think mitnk was joking....

 

[roostercomb]

What about rucks? I've always used an external frame pack in the boyscouts, but I've seen a lot of internal frames from the tactical sites. Is there a preference? I was also going to use my Solomon boots since they are pretty light

 

[planebuilder]

I really like my Eberlestock LoDrag. If you're carrying enough weight to need an external frame.... Your carrying too much weight.

 

[Mike]

Any basic 3-day style of pack should work fine. Talk to the people that have done it, gather a list of needs/wants. Narrow that list down so you're not humping every thing you own, and go. Some things you can plan for and others only experience can teach you.

 

[Mendocino]

For packs I suggest you check out one of our fine sponsors, like Kifaru or Arcteryx.

 

[Zak Smith]

All you need to do is watch Pilates twice a day and stock up on Red Bull and beef jerky... should be GTG by the match date.

 

[Papa Zero Three]

Fine you want a serious answer here you go:
In my opinion if your questions were even remotely serious you should NOT shoot this match because you are flat out going to get your shit pushed in.

They say don't feed the Trolls but on the off chance the OP is serious, then I concuur with the above quoted text 1000%.

 

[roostercomb]

Hey so a buddy at work is going to let me use his Rem 700 chambered in 308. It doesn't have a scope on it but I was looking at Vortex Vipers. Has anyone had experience with these scopes? What magnification do y'all recommend?

 

[flounderv2]

Dont feed the trolls......

 

[planebuilder]

Hey so a buddy at work is going to let me use his Rem 700 chambered in 308. It doesn't have a scope on it but I was looking at Vortex Vipers. Has anyone had experience with these scopes? What magnification do y'all recommend?

Honestly, just stick with the M77 and see how you do, at the very least it'll be light...... At this point, you'd just be throwing good money after bad if you start trying to get a new (to you) gun sorted out in the next 5 weeks.

 

[planebuilder]

Dont feed the trolls......

Or you could try and help the dude out....

 

[roostercomb]

So I ordered the vortex last night with a larue mount. I also got a gg&g bipod. Now if I could find some ammo....

One of the other challenges they have is to hit a target at 100 yds with a pistol. I had a buddy hit a pig at 50 yds with a 1911, but I'm not sure anyone could really be accurate at that range with a pistol.

 

[planebuilder]

So I ordered the vortex last night with a larue mount. I also got a gg&g bipod. Now if I could find some ammo....

One of the other challenges they have is to hit a target at 100 yds with a pistol. I had a buddy hit a pig at 50 yds with a 1911, but I'm not sure anyone could really be accurate at that range with a pistol.

Try HSM Match ammo. I've had really good luck with the 168SMK out of my Rem 700 Sendero..... Less than a 2 inch group at 300 yards if I do my part.

Good choice on the GG&G bipod, mine is solid as a rock and tough.... It is heavy though.

 

[Niles Coyote]

but I'm not sure anyone could really be accurate at that range with a pistol.

You would be surprised how accurate a handgun with iron sights can be. Practice, before long you be lobbing them in at twice that.

 

[Zak Smith]

At the SHC we had an IPSC target at maybe 70 or 85 yards.

 

[Altnews]

Your a fucking idiot. He's not going to be able to hit shit with a 7.62x39 caliber rifle.

So what? If it doesn't bother him, why should it bother anybody else? There's no better way to know your limits than to test them. I'm sure he has no illusions about winning anything, but I give him props for thinking about trying. If I weren't pushing 60 and subject to heat stroke, I'd love to test myself again, win or lose.

It's not always about winning or even shooting well, it's about trying...at least to me.

Don't be such a Debbie Downer.

 

[Altnews]

Hey so a buddy at work is going to let me use his Rem 700 chambered in 308. It doesn't have a scope on it but I was looking at Vortex Vipers. Has anyone had experience with these scopes? What magnification do y'all recommend?

I've got two used Springfield Armory scopes I'm replacing with US Optics...Does the Rem have a Picatinny rail?

 

[Altnews]

So I ordered the vortex last night with a larue mount. I also got a gg&g bipod. Now if I could find some ammo....

One of the other challenges they have is to hit a target at 100 yds with a pistol. I had a buddy hit a pig at 50 yds with a 1911, but I'm not sure anyone could really be accurate at that range with a pistol.

You'd be very surprised. At one basic pistol course I audited everyone had to ding a steel target at 50 yards as a confidence builder. One lady did it several times with a 2 inch Smith & Wesson Airweight.

I shoot (or shot, till I sold it) my Desert Eagle in .50 AE to 200 yards with iron sights pretty regularly. Not precision, but good enough for an elk.

 

[RHeb]

I took a Remington 700 in 30.06 with a 3x9 Redfield last year. My teammate had an off the shelf AR15 with iron sights. Not the most desirable set up but it worked and allowed us to compete. If you don't have the money for high end toys make due with what you have.

Now on the preparation subject, you are far behind to curve. I agree that you should consider waiting until next year. Or go with Zak's Redbull and beef jerky strategy!

 

[roostercomb]

Hey, so I went out to Palo Duro Canyon this weekend and did 10 miles with 50 lbs in my backpack and I feel pretty good about it. What Im not so sure about is an old GPS that I got out and it didn't work too well in the canyon. I think it was just the canyon, but not sure how it will do in Mayhill.

 

[Mike]

So what? If it doesn't bother him, why should it bother anybody else? There's no better way to know your limits than to test them.

Actually here's the problem. It's not about "winning". It's about learning. And you're not going to learn shit with zero feedback using a tool not designed for the job. It's one thing to not be competitive, it's another to not be able to take ANY learning away other than the tools you brought suck for the job.

 

[poison123]

Actually here's the problem. It's not about "winning". It's about learning. And you're not going to learn shit with zero feedback using a tool not designed for the job. It's one thing to not be competitive, it's another to not be able to take ANY learning away other than the tools you brought suck for the job.

Quoted for the truth. Thats what we are all getting at, I love to shoot and I love competitions. What I don't love is setting myself up for failure, and learning nothing.

 

[roostercomb]

Yeah the Remington has a picitanny rail on it. I just needed the scope and the rings.

 

[wilsonc]

Ah, I see what you did there.

 

[planebuilder]

Hey, so I went out to Palo Duro Canyon this weekend and did 10 miles with 50 lbs in my backpack and I feel pretty good about it. What Im not so sure about is an old GPS that I got out and it didn't work too well in the canyon. I think it was just the canyon, but not sure how it will do in Mayhill.

I hope you're not planning on using the GPS for the competition. The rules clearly state that GPS is prohibited...

'•GPS prohibited for land nav - Required to bring as emergency equipment'