I had a guy show up to one of my DM Courses in March with 250 rounds of 75gr A-MAX, not 75gr HPBT, loaded on top of 22.8gr of 8208 XBR. They were loaded to mag length, and he proceeded to ring steel all day long out to 600yds from a 16" MLGS Centurion barreled AR15 with Surefire can. I had read everywhere that it doesn't work, won't fit, and even came to the same conclusions myself when trying to find a workable COAL with the ones I bought, but seeing is believing, and the 75gr A-MAX seemed to work batter than any other .224 pill I have experienced in the AR15 for shooting at distance from the magazine.