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I reaspect most LE, but this guy needs to be retired. *graphic warning*

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Boogaloo

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This is the full video of Hawthorne Police shooting a mans dog. From my perspective (and yours if you choose to watch) this cop (A) had no real justification for arresting this guy, and (B) had every opportunity to allow the owner who was obviously compliant and not a threat, to get his dog under control WITHOUT shooting the dog.

I will admit I do NOT know the whole story, but from what I can see in this video, this was pure bullshit, and an absolutely unjustified murdering of this guys dog.

I'm doubling up on the flame suit for this one.

LiveLeak.com - Police arrest man for filming raid, then shoot his dog in front of him

P.S. you can fast forward to at least the halfway point to see the basics of what went down.
 
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There's a petition going around online that has like 100,00 plus signatures to bring criminal charges. It'll never happen though. We live in a society where a cop will shoot a Sunday school teacher who is sitting in her car in a church parking lot and only get 4 (5?) for manslaughter. Cops are never held to the same standard and punishment as the rest of the population.
 
I can't comment on, and don't know why the man was arrested or detained or even if his arrest was justified, however, the shooting of the dog in that moment in time was completely justifiable IMO. Two separate issues, the arrest/detainment one... and the subsequent shooting two.
 
I think the guy was a fool to hang about like he did and make the Police think he may be connected to the house being raided .
However if they did not know for sure he was connected to the house then they could not have had any reasonable cause to arrest him for just taking photos on a public street unless he was saying things we could not hear .
However why did the fool not secure the dog properly in the car . It just illustrates how thoughtless people and Police are in general , by not making the guy secure his dog first before arresting him. Bad things happen when stupid people get together . Stupid citizen + stupid Police = Tragedy .
I love dogs and it upsets me to see a loyal brave animal like that killed by human stupidity.
 
Murder of the dog? LOL
The dog lunged multiple times at the officers and was attempting to bit them. If anything they showed as much restraint as they could. If I was dealing with a subject in cuffs, and the officer next to me let a Rottweiler bite me and didn't shoot it, we would be having a man to man talk afterwards.

As for why they put him in cuffs, can't say either way. There is absolutely not enough info from that video to make a decision on that. Anyone who would isn't being objective and probably has no knowledge of the law.
 
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Id bet that the cops hooked the guy up because he wouldn't leave the area after repeated warnings.

Once you're in cuffs, they're not going to take them off so you can gain control of a weapon (dog) that is already agitated and aggressive.

It's a shame that the dog was shot, but the second time it lunged at officers, that deal was sealed.
 
I would love to know the reasonable articulatable suspicion and subsequent probable cause that caused the cops to detain and arrest this guy. Gee I must have missed the investigation. I think the cops didn't like being filmed and their egos got the best of them and they decided they were going to show this guy just who they were and how much power they wielded. I know I am jumping to conclusions, but I think we will find that the guy that was arrested isn't charged with any crime. I can't wait to see how much money this guy gets in the civil suit.

I think the Two Cops that arrested the guy should be fired, they were the reason the whole incident happened. The guy that shot the dog was doing the only thing he could do after the first 2 dumbasses decided to arrest the guy.

Bottom line for me is that as tragic as it is to watch an innocent animal get killed for doing the noble job of protecting its master. The real tragedy is that a couple of cops could have made a different decision and avoided the whole incident.

I am sure all of the LEO's are going to flame me for this post, but if you're being honest this whole incident was handled poorly by the officers from the beginning. Thats the real root cause.
 
Crappy situation, but 100% justified. Without knowing the whole story, only a moron would form an opinion on the officers in this situation.
 
How do you know he was being arrested? Just because he is put in cuffs does not mean he is under arrest.

He could have been shouting threats at the officers, so they placed him in cuffs for their safety, or as you can see he was walking around the perimeter of what appears to be a raid or something large going down, and wouldn't leave after being told numerous times, so the officers had to place him in cuffs for his safety.

Like I said, the ones who are jumping to conclusions probably have no knowledge of the law other than what they google.
 
- Not sure why the cops felt they needed to approach the moron

- I would have shot the dog
 
Victory said:
How do you know he was being arrested? Just because he is put in cuffs does not mean he is under arrest.

He could have been shouting threats at the officers, so they placed him in cuffs for their safety, or as you can see he was walking around the perimeter of what appears to be a raid or something large going down, and wouldn't leave after being told numerous times, so the officers had to place him in cuffs for his safety.

Like I said, the ones who are jumping to conclusions probably have no knowledge of the law other than what they google.
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Exactly!!!!! When LE conducts an operation like this (probably a high risk arrest/search warrant) they will establish a perimeter for their own safety as well as the safety of the public. If I had to guess I would say that the man was ordered to clear the area and didn't comply. It's mind numbing to me the number of people who don't think they need to obey the lawful orders of LEO's. As far as the dog goes the Taser could have been an option if the officer had one (I can't tell) but if you've ever tried to deploy one on a small target you would know the difficulties posed with that. Pepper spray might could have deterred the dog also but then you run the risk of exposing your fellow officers to it's effects right as your conducting what looks like a dangerous operation. I love dogs but sorry Rover, your death is the result of your owner's stupidity. The dog was doing his job, the owner did not.
 
Boogaloo said:
This is the full video of Hawthorne Police shooting a mans dog. From my perspective (and yours if you choose to watch) this cop (A) had no real justification for arresting this guy, and (B) had every opportunity to allow the owner who was obviously compliant and not a threat, to get his dog under control WITHOUT shooting the dog.

I will admit I do NOT know the whole story, but from what I can see in this video, this was pure bullshit, and an absolutely unjustified murdering of this guys dog.
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I would guess that when the dog jumped from the car the owner placed him in AND went for the Cop, the owner was no longer in control. No one here should judge the Cop for his actions in the moment only he knows what happened and what situational issues came into play.
 
17874 said:
Crappy situation, but 100% justified. Without knowing the whole story, only a moron would form an opinion on the officers in this situation.
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If morons are what you're looking for, you'll find plenty of them here on this thread with Maser leading the charge.

Everyone hates the cops yet despite that hate, people can't help to be drawn to what we do. Anytime you have police conducting routine operations you'll have throngs of citizens hanging off their nut sacks with a cellphone thrust in the air. Nothing exemplefies the stupidity of most people than the shooting of a knife wielding man in Midtown Manhattan. The crowd was shown to actually give chase to the cops giving chase to this guy swinging a knife. Then if one of them would have gotten caught in the crossfire or stabbed by this lunatic I'm sure it would have be the fault of the police.

Peronally I stay far away from things I hate and unless I'm working I walk the other way when I see cops with guns drawn piling out of armored trucks. As far as the dog goes, yea he was only doing what comes natural to it but at the moment he ran at and lunged at the officers its a wrap. I'm sure some of the more shortsighted on here would rather the cops get mauled before being able to defend themselves but that's not the way it works and the video does not lie. The dog aggressively lunged and was met with lethal force.
 
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OK. The guy was filming the event. Not illegal. The guy put his dog away in the car. Not illegal. The cops cuff him and place him under arrest for breaking what law? When the dog protects it master, RIGHTFULLY, the cops do not allow the man to control his dog. Me, I would have put the dog away, got in the car and left. If LEO wanted something, they could follow and pursue that issue off site. What happened in the video was WRONG, no matter how you look at it. Those cops EARNED that dog going after them, but they still had no right to shoot it when that issue could have been solved easily.

The above is clinically analyzed view of what I saw in the video with no reference to what happened before or after, and no direct knowledge
 
cops have no duty to "beg" people to do something. If I'm told "one" time by a leo to do something, especially in an already tensefull situation you damn well better believe I'm going to do it. That's one of the problems we have today is the public believing they can argue with leo and do what they feel like which is basically "IGNORING" leo. Sad for the dog, but the citizen is as much to blame.
 
Switchblade said:
Those cops EARNED that dog going after them, but they still had no right to shoot it when that issue could have been solved easily.
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This is a joke right? How easy is it to solve an issue when you have a 100lbs+ Rottweiler chomping at the bit to take a chunk off of ya? So to recap your way of thinking, the dog had every right to go after the cops but the cops had zero right to defend themselves? Is that what you're saying?

I'm a dog lover myself, owning two German Shepherds. Part of the responsibility of being a dog lover and caring for my pets is NOT putting them in stupid situations that is going to result in them getting hurt/killed or hurting someone else.
 
This entire thread is political, the board does not allow any political postings, zero tolerance, I'd hate to see any of you guys get the ban hammer, this is the type of thing that should be discussed in another board.
 
pawprint2 said:
This entire thread is political, the board does not allow any political postings, zero tolerance, I'd hate to see any of you guys get the ban hammer, this is the type of thing that should be discussed in another board.
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Dude what the fuck is wrong with you? Is this what you do now, go around starting up trouble where there is none in order to get threads shutdown? Stop being a dick!
 
This is stupid. The cop that shot the dog was not one of the two that provoked the incident. He was protecting himself and the two other LEOs present. What was he supposed to do at that point? He waited until the dog was actively attempting to bite at him.

He didn't cause the situation and he didn't have a choice.

Grow up.
 
17874 said:
Crappy situation, but 100% justified. Without knowing the whole story, only a moron would form an opinion on the officers in this situation.
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So without knowing the "Whole Story" you have formed the opinion of "100% Justified" I understand that you are required to come to the aide of a fellow officer but have you ever been publicly critical of another officers conduct? I doubt it. It is this attitude that causes people to distrust Police Officers and the reason that I no longer do the job and broke a 100 year family tradition.
 
Really...Pawprint? We aren't talking about Congress or what church you go to. This is everyday life, or at least my take on it. Just saying!
 
Switchblade said:
OK. The guy was filming the event. Not illegal. The guy put his dog away in the car. Not illegal. The cops cuff him and place him under arrest for breaking what law? When the dog protects it master, RIGHTFULLY, the cops do not allow the man to control his dog. Me, I would have put the dog away, got in the car and left. If LEO wanted something, they could follow and pursue that issue off site. What happened in the video was WRONG, no matter how you look at it. Those cops EARNED that dog going after them, but they still had no right to shoot it when that issue could have been solved easily.

The above is clinically analyzed view of what I saw in the video with no reference to what happened before or after, and no direct knowledge
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FWIW in some places/states it IS illegal to video-record LE response.

Also, as already noted, just because you are handcuffing someone does NOT mean they are under arrest. It can simply be a tool for officer public safety. Case in point. Look at how the "Gentleman" with the camera was motivating and inticing the crowd behind him. During a raid or similar situation having people stay back and not "circle" the area is for everyones safety, not just the officers.


You say "If LEO wanted something, they could follow and pursue that issue off site"

So... Im willing to bet before this man put his dog "away" and then approched the officers, they told him to stop recording ect ect. You are saying you would willing dis-obey a LEO and flee from apprehension (not arrest)... Is that about right? Instead or having 360* security you want to take 2 officers off the scene to chase you down, therefore opening the window off opportunity for some other lunitic to run in behind the SWAT or start shooting officers in the backs?

People dont get that the Law is not something they will always like and neither are the execution of its duties at times. Im not saying LE is always correct but I can say that it takes alot of Courage and desire to do what it needed especially when the majority of the time people dont agree with it.
 
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Problem is that this video is out there now. And there were dozens of other eye witnesses to what happened. The video clearly shows the cop lunging at the dog on at least 2 occasions, and the dog actually backing away from the cop both times before being shot. Less lethal force would have been more appropriate here if I was the one with the badge on that day.

White cops "detaining" a black man for videoing a situation that was obviously in "flat" mode (based on the casual/relaxed posture of the "detaining" officers prior to the actual detention), and then subsequently shooting his dog, one more time, rings a bell that cannot be un-rung.

Hawthorne Kalifornia is predominantly minority these days, and the Hawthorne PD has a reputation for being a little heavy handed, particularly with black people. I would not want to be one of those cops when the shit hits the fan.
 
No clue as to what the cops were doing but that fat ass was clearly filming it, no doubt for his big YouTube break through.

Clearly the dog was in attack mode. To say otherwise is delusional or dishonest. At that point, it was too late. It may be fair to ask what justification there was for detaining fatass or ignoring the fact that his dog was anything but secured in the car while they talked to him. It is possible that the officer's situational awareness was myopic and that their shortsightedness or frustration contributed to the chaos that followed. Regardless of any contributory negligence or causation by the officers, they were acting within their duties when the Rotty approached them and then, inarguably, became very aggressive.

No one should be expected to give such a large and aggressive animal the benefit of the doubt.

This is as illogical as the argument being made to assail Zimmerman in the case against him: Apparently, rather than shoot Trayvon as he was getting pounded into the ground, he should have let Martin continue to pummel him until his arms got tired or his illiterate girl friend called him back...

No one would do this if they have more than three brain cells. Regardless of what gets one in a shitty situation like either of the above, once one's life is clearly threatened, it is logical when one defends one's self.

Make no mistake, I truly lament the shooting of that Rotty. He should never have been left in such peril by the idiot fame seeker who set the nightmare in motion.
 
I don't know California law (thank god) but in VA its illegal to stand in the middle of the road.
Unless you know every California law and county or town ordinance for where they were then you all saying they had no legal reason to arrest him is bullshit. Hell for all we know they could have recognized him as being wanted!!
Now I hate the dog got shot protecting his owner. OC spray might have worked but we will never know. All in all not the way I would have handled it but in VA they would be justified. I don't know about in Cali tho?
 
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So why did the man get cuffed in the first place?
 
The typical over response without knowing anything.

No one here knows why they cuffed him. It could have been many reasons including someone knowing who he was and had warrants to his not following orders from the officers to a complete F'up by officer. The IA investigation will be done and return with what happened.

As to the dog. Sorry but he came out of vehicle and lunged at officers in aggressive way. His owner should have secured him and the owner is at fault for dog doing what he was supposed to do and officer doing what he had to do. Anyone who says they should wait to get bit before shooting never got bit by a land shark. It fing hurts and they take chnks up to and including death.

One thing that strikes me instantly is the guys recording the event knew the guy with dog was in deep shit and started filming him. Makes you wonder what he was doing to attract their attention as well?

I have been on many scenes where folks watched what we did and no one was arrested. I have also been on scenes where we had to hook up some dumb ass for interfering

It is easy to judge from the safety of your computer terminal.
 
Tactical said:
The typical over response without knowing anything.

No one here knows why they cuffed him. It could have been many reasons including someone knowing who he was and had warrants to his not following orders from the officers to a complete F'up by officer. The IA investigation will be done and return with what happened.

As to the dog. Sorry but he came out of vehicle and lunged at officers in aggressive way. His owner should have secured him and the owner is at fault for dog doing what he was supposed to do and officer doing what he had to do. Anyone who says they should wait to get bit before shooting never got bit by a land shark. It fing hurts and they take chnks up to and including death.

One thing that strikes me instantly is the guys recording the event knew the guy with dog was in deep shit and started filming him. Makes you wonder what he was doing to attract their attention as well?

I have been on many scenes where folks watched what we did and no one was arrested. I have also been on scenes where we had to hook up some dumb ass for interfering

It is easy to judge from the safety of your computer terminal.
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Mike, i sure hope that wasn't directed towards me for asking a simple question.
 
40xs said:
Really...Pawprint? We aren't talking about Congress or what church you go to. This is everyday life, or at least my take on it. Just saying!
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You maybe 100% correct. On this board your opinion means nothing, only the opinion of the owner of this board has any weight-if he doesn't think this string is political (wishing ass cancer and death on a police officer for example) then on this board it is not political. If on the other hand, he feels this entire string is political then in fact on this board it is political, and therefore: it is not allowed, as no political posts of any kind are allowed. BTW, Congress and Churches are not the limits to politics, everyday life is filled with politics, everything from speed limits, to the days of the week mail is delivered, grow up.
As a matter of Fact, allow me RE-post on this boards rules:
6. Political discussion is prohibited, as is any discussion on religion and religious matters. The posting of political or religious material will be deemed disruptive and maybe result in disciplinary action without notice or warning. Sniper's Hide has zero tolerance for political posts of any kind. Whether under guise of a political joke, or a blatant propaganda piece, no political posts means, no political posts, period.

We lost the 2nd board due to the failure of members to self police-I'd hate to see the bear pit go the same way.
 
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It’s interesting that everyone else is farther back than the arrestee and the subjects filming know he is in trouble even before the officer/s approach. Definitely more going on here than what we are able to view... without that info it is just more internet propaganda designed to cause concern and distrust.
 
Not securing the dog - mistake.
Standing too close to the already intense situation - mistake.
Approaching two officers who had guns drawn instead of being still and showing no bad intentions - mistake.
Acting in the arrogant manner throughout the event - mistake.
Yelling nonsense/threats at officers - mistake.
When you see SWAT at work, stay the fuck away - fact.
Playing an animal shelter clerk is the last thing cops need in the situations like these - fact.

Now who is being a fucking moron?
 
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Watched the video again. If you turn it up you can hear the man with the dog yelling something at the cops. "Something......words........more words.........CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION". Then he puts the dog in the car and you know the rest of the story.
 
Does everyone who has responded in this thread realize than one such thread has already disappeared?
 
I can only judge what I've seen.
What I saw was a guy using his phone to record cops during a raid.
The man appeared to be a bystander, just like the rest of the people on the public street in daylight, and just like the people who filmed him.
He could have said something to provoke the policemen, or not.
He acted responsibly in placing the dog in the car, but he failed to realize the animal's dedication to him, and the dog got out of a window left too far down to contain him.
The cop who shot the dog seems to have made a move in the dog's direction, to which the dog responded aggressively.

It's almost as if the whole event was scripted, with the bystander, the dog, and the cops all playing their stereotypical roles perfectly.
It's a tragedy on so many levels.
 
VYD said:
Not securing the dog - mistake.
Standing too close to the already intense situation - mistake.
Approaching two officers who had guns drawn instead of being still and showing no bad intentions - mistake.
Acting in the arrogant manner throughout the event - mistake.
Yelling nonsense/threats at officers - mistake.
When you see SWAT at work, stay the fuck away - fact.
Playing an animal shelter clerk is the last thing cops need in the situations like these - fact.

Now who is being a fucking moron?
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The above is exactly correct. The big mistake is the owner not restraining the dog. In the back seat with the windows down is not restrained. Some people learn the hard way.
 
That dog didn't "lunge"; he was down low trying to scare the cop! If you want to see "lunge" look at some of the LE K9 videos! The Dog was loyal and he paid the ultimate price! It's ashame to see animals get caught up in this. I guess they didn't have a taser or pepper spray.....?
 
I did just read that the guy asked the police why there were no black cops around.
That was a huge mistake. Not for what he asked them, but for asking them anything at all.
The second he engaged them he was interfering with them. Dumb.
 
There are also at least two more people already handcuffed and sitting on the ground in front of the cops.
An obvious sign that they are in mood to deal with interfering bystanders.
 
The dog made multiple lunges at the officers and they tried to fend it off, at the last lunge where he actually tries to clamp down on the officers arm he was put down. Ignorant motherfucker shouldn't have been strutting around filming the cops like he was king shit and runnin his mouth. And then continuing to run it and start getting uppity after they cuffed him. But hey, fuck it, that's America
 
tucker301 said:
I can only judge what I've seen.
What I saw was a guy using his phone to record cops during a raid.
The man appeared to be a bystander, just like the rest of the people on the public street in daylight, and just like the people who filmed him.
He could have said something to provoke the policemen, or not.
He acted responsibly in placing the dog in the car, but he failed to realize the animal's dedication to him, and the dog got out of a window left too far down to contain him.
The cop who shot the dog seems to have made a move in the dog's direction, to which the dog responded aggressively.

It's almost as if the whole event was scripted, with the bystander, the dog, and the cops all playing their stereotypical roles perfectly.
It's a tragedy on so many levels.
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good post. well said
 
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