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Anschutz 1827 Fortner Biathlon ???

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Some of you might have seen my posting about the recent purchase of my Steyr LGB1 biathlon PCP air rifle in Top Predators air gun thread here in the rimfire forum. Some info about it and a video is on page 8. I really like this rifle! In fact I like "everything" about it. Because I like it so much I'm thinking about buying a Anschutz 1827 rimfire.

J.G. ANSCHÜTZ GmbH & Co. KG - Biathlon

Although I'm 99% sure I'd like the 1827 biathlon just as much as the air gun I wanted others opinions on it before I took the plunge and bought one. Seems like the Fortner action would have to be extremely dependable and reliable because of the harsh conditions it was designed to work in. I'm also assuming it must be about as accurate as a rimfire gets. If the ergos are anything like the Steyr LGB1 I'd be happy happy.

If I bought this rifle I'd be using it for .22 matches of various kinds. The Snipers Hide is probably the wrong place to ask about a biathlon rifle but I thought I'd give it a try anyways. How do you think it would compare to a custom 10-22 and say a Anschutz MPR or a top of the line bolt action 22?
 
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I love these but man are they pricey. I have fingered them at shot and talked to the rep a good deal. In short, yes they are about as accurate as a .22 rimfire can get. The rep said they shoot as well as the offerings aimed at the 3 position crowd. If you've never tried a Fortner action rifle you will be amazed how fast the system is without sacrificing the accuracy of a bolt action. I am a bit worried that you are comparing this to a custom 10-22 or MPR. 1827's are $3k not $1k they will easily out shoot these comparisons and ought to. MPR's are an excellent rifle for the cost and will shoot quite well. I consider these more limited by the lack of adjustment of the stock than the barrel or action. Custom 10-22's vary wildly in performance. Most are more looker than shooter though they can be made to perform well with the right choices they still aren't a bolt gun and the 10-22's barrel attachment mechanism is difficult to get as solid as one would like.
 
Thanks for your opinion BigJim.

I like things that are different and high quality which is part of the attraction with the 1827.

I'm intrigued with the cocking mechanism on these. Prefer rifles with adjustable cheek rest, LOP and rails. Like the grip angle. Like lighter weight rifles. Like medium weight triggers, 19 ounce is about what most of my other rifles are set at. Like the mags attached to the rifle. I even like the appearance of entire rifle.

One thing that dawned on me was the ability to shoot a wind condition fast. Could be a advantage on certain stages.

Yep they are pricey and I might have to sell a thing or two to get into one. Or maybe I can find one used for less. The LGB1 was expensive and I almost abandoned the idea of getting it but as of right now it's my favorite rifle and was money well spent. Nearly 2000 pellets through it in the last 3 weeks. I shoot it almost every day.

I'm lucky in that my 10-22 race rifle is pretty accurate. I've actually shot my smallest group with it. High .1's. at 50Y. Of course .7" would be more what it normally does. My MPR is nice and very accurate but I don't like the trigger that much. Little difference in feel between the first and second stage so I send one off unintentionally some times. The best match triggers I've owned were Steyr's. My LG100 was adjusted to a crisp 3 ounce with good feel. The LGB1 has a fantastic trigger but heavier.
 
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I have one (1827 Sprint) and really like it. With good ammo it will put 60 shots inside 3/8 of an inch at 50 meters all day long.
 
What Hoser said. I have one of these as well and shoot Biathlon as well as Smallbore prone comps with it. Sometimes used ones come up for sale at coloradobiathlon.org
 
Steve, you know you are going to buy one anyway, so just do it!

You might have to give up your USFT and Panther for it, but you can always borrow my Marauder for FT matches in the future. Whatever makes you happy.....LOL!

BTW, I hope the info you gave on Saturday will allow me to finally post here.

Later,
Mark
 
MarkinAZ said:
Steve, you know you are going to buy one anyway, so just do it!

You might have to give up your USFT and Panther for it, but you can always borrow my Marauder for FT matches in the future. Whatever makes you happy.....LOL!

BTW, I hope the info you gave on Saturday will allow me to finally post here.

Later,
Mark
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Hey Mark,

Glad you were able to figure out how to post here!

Welcome to the Hide!
 
Took a while to figure out how to post with this format. Seemed as if anything that did in the past did not work until you walked me through it.

Thanks Steve.
 
icedragonmx said:
Is it possible to mount a scope rail (30-40moa) on the Anschutz 1827 Fortner Biathlon action? Any companies specialize in that?
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I'd be interested to know myself.

The cheap solution, but still a good one, is to use the Burris Signature rings with the +/- 20 inserts. Additional elevation adjustment can made by moving the rings closer together or farther apart to increase or decrease the angle. I've got a few pairs and I've never had any problems with them.
 
steve123 said:
I'd be interested to know myself.

The cheap solution, but still a good one, is to use the Burris Signature rings with the +/- 20 inserts. Additional elevation adjustment can made by moving the rings closer together or farther apart to increase or decrease the angle. I've got a few pairs and I've never had any problems with them.
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My only worry is that the action appears to only have the 11mm rail at the rear of the action and nothing at the front. Might need a cantilevered mount to set up a scope for proper eye relief. Would be interesting to see if anyone has done this.
 
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My only worry is that the action appears to only have the 11mm rail at the rear of the action and nothing at the front. Might need a cantilevered mount to set up a scope for proper eye relief. Would be interesting to see if anyone has done this.
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Yes, the 11mm rail is only on the rear portion of the action behind the ejection port. Many companies make rail risers/extensions that will cantilever far enough forward to allow scope mounting in a conventional way. I recently acquired an older 1827F (90's?) that I have only plinked with using the diopter sights. Even with open sights I could shoot SK Standard into approx. .5" groups at 50m (from the bench). If it shoots as well as my 54 actioned 1827 then I will be expecting groups in the .1-.2's with Lapua Center-X.

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Sunoptics makes a picatinny / 11mm adaptor rail that I have on mine. SM7015 is the part number I believe.
Solid and easily removed for when I want to switch back to open sights.
 
DSN said:
Sunoptics makes a picatinny / 11mm adaptor rail that I have on mine. SM7015 is the part number I believe.
Solid and easily removed for when I want to switch back to open sights.
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Thanks for the part number. I found a few options but links to anything of better quality would be greatly appreciated

BKL-354 - 300 Series 30mm Scope Mounts - BKLTech.com
Masina-Tuote Oy - Quick Change and Binocular Stands
UTG Drooper Scope Rail, 11mm-to-Weaver Adapter, Compensates for Droop & Stops Scope Shift. Adapters.
 
Marcoman said:
Yes, the 11mm rail is only on the rear portion of the action behind the ejection port. Many companies make rail risers/extensions that will cantilever far enough forward to allow scope mounting in a conventional way. I recently acquired an older 1827F (90's?) that I have only plinked with using the diopter sights. Even with open sights I could shoot SK Standard into approx. .5" groups at 50m (from the bench). If it shoots as well as my 54 actioned 1827 then I will be expecting groups in the .1-.2's with Lapua Center-X.

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That .1-.2's quote is what its all about! The Fortner action seems to be the best choice for a fast action 22. I did find one 1827F in stock that is close to me. Might have a very busy time selling a few 22's to upgrade to this level.
 
icedragonmx said:
Thanks for the part number. I found a few options but links to anything of better quality would be greatly appreciated

BKL-354 - 300 Series 30mm Scope Mounts - BKLTech.com
Masina-Tuote Oy - Quick Change and Binocular Stands
UTG Drooper Scope Rail, 11mm-to-Weaver Adapter, Compensates for Droop & Stops Scope Shift. Adapters.
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I bought some extended 30mm Sportsmatch rings from Airguns of Arizona for my LGB1 biathlon trainer. I noticed they have a 1" extended angled ring set.
 
I have some questions for you guys that own or have owned a 1827.

Is the trigger the type used on the Anschutz 54's or 64's?

Is it possible to reduce the triggers first stage take up to nill like I have done on my Steyr LGB1?

How is the bolt removed for cleaning?

Thanks
 
Trigger is same as furnished on the 54's. Superb in every regard! User adjustable in every way.
Can't comment on the bolt, as I have yet to do any maintenence. I've only put a couple hundred rounds through to this point.

I sold off one of two Finnfire Ranges I have to buy this gun and have no regrets!
 
steve123 said:
I have some questions for you guys that own or have owned a 1827.

Is the trigger the type used on the Anschutz 54's or 64's?

Is it possible to reduce the triggers first stage take up to nill like I have done on my Steyr LGB1?

How is the bolt removed for cleaning?

Thanks
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You know I have you to blame for this new addiction to the 1827F action :) (thanks!) A great video can be found here on the bolt/action---- Modell 1827 F - Schlagbolzenwechsel - YouTube

PS: already sold the first of many to get my own Anschutz 1827F, and have found acc rails at Atlas for a bi-pod etc. Just need a proper scope mount but looking at the parts breakdown I may be able to swich out the 11mm rail with a custom. I need an extend rail or 30mm mount. Altius has a few very cool custom stocks as well!
 
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I can see now why they charge so much for the Fortner! A lot of engineering went into that design.

Thanks for the video. That bolt mechanism is awesome!

I think my wife needs one of those real bad, LOL.

Your welcome concerning the new addiction.
 
Marcoman said:
Trigger is same as furnished on the 54's. Superb in every regard! User adjustable in every way.
Can't comment on the bolt, as I have yet to do any maintenence. I've only put a couple hundred rounds through to this point.

I sold off one of two Finnfire Ranges I have to buy this gun and have no regrets!
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Thanks for letting me know about the trigger!

I'm selling things right now and am more seriously considering a Fortner after seeing that video and finding out about the trigger.

If anybody wants to buy a very accurate Anschutz MPR give me a PM.
 
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