I am not sure where to put this query but I am looking to buy a LWRC AR from Top Gun Supply located in Chesterland, OH. I have never dealt with them before so I would appreciate any comments pro or con about them before I place an order.
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They are great to deal with. I bought a 1911 from them a couple years ago and things went super smooth.
Are you stuck on that particular store?
I have ordered from them before with no problems.
For LWRC make sure to check out Northwest Tactical and Modern Outfitters.
matt and Marcy helped me a great deal to get out of a shitty pre order situation I had with LWRC AND I will be getting my next L dub from them.
From the LWRC forums Modern Outfitters seem to have a great rep also
I have ordered from them before with no problems.
For LWRC make sure to check out Northwest Tactical and Modern Outfitters.
matt and Marcy helped me a great deal to get out of a shitty pre order situation I had with LWRC AND I will be getting my next L dub from them.
From the LWRC forums Modern Outfitters seem to have a great rep also
Top Gun is good, but why LWRC.
There is litterly nothing they make that someone else doesn't make better, for less money.
They are in all honesty a waste of money and gimmick products.
Lets just say they are close to home and I have some friends of the fam that have a very vested interested in them doing well. Doesn't change the fact they are not worth buying anything from.
There is litterly nothing they make that someone else doesn't make better, for less money.
They are in all honesty a waste of money and gimmick products.
Lets just say they are close to home and I have some friends of the fam that have a very vested interested in them doing well. Doesn't change the fact they are not worth buying anything from.
Respectively disagree. If you know something I don't please share which brand or rifle you think would be better. Are you basing this on personal experience or information otherwise acquired.
Top Gun Supply is good to go.
I bought a Sig pistol from them. I told them, I would be sending a check to pay for it. Well, they didn't wait for the check to clear...hell, they didn't even wait for the check. They sent the gun at the same time as I sent the check.
Stand up company.
Kind regards,
Jared
I bought a Sig pistol from them. I told them, I would be sending a check to pay for it. Well, they didn't wait for the check to clear...hell, they didn't even wait for the check. They sent the gun at the same time as I sent the check.
Stand up company.
Kind regards,
Jared
I've never bought a firearm from Top Gun Supply, but I HAVE bought many spare parts and mags (both new and used). All transactions have been smooth and all products were in like new condition.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy from them again.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy from them again.
Tried the Northwest Tactical, excellent prices on their firearms. Also tried Modern Outfitters site but can not find a link to the firearms they have for sale on their home page.
Excellent question, the few LWRC SPR's the I have seen and the 1 I shot were all well made and all were less than 1 mo shooters according to their owners. The one I shot the owner was shooting 69grain FGMM and the 5 shot 100 yard group was just less the 0.75 moa. The only thing that I would like to mod if I buy one is the trigger. It was a tad on the heavy side for me.
I have been working on and building guns proffesionaly and as a hobby for the last 10+ years.
LWRC is a boutique gun, that offers nothing for its price point. Pistons are gimmicks in an AR platform, outside of some SBR/suppresed applications. Even then, they still have serious drawbacks.
They are overpriced shit. Colt, DD, BCM, and LMT make superior , proven products, at a much lower price point. For the Price of a LWRC ar15, you can have any of the mentioned. Hell for less money you can get a SR-15 Mod 1, which by many is considered the finest AR-15 rifle money can buy (And yes, it really is), less than the LWRC. Noveske prices their shit in the same realm, but unless the person is a complete idiot or novice, no one is choosing LWRC over Noveske.
Same deal in the AR-10 world. For less money you can get a LMT/OBR/GAP10/SCAR17 , all vastly superior, proven military weapons. Price to price with the JP, again only an idiot would chose LWRC over JP (for a game gun)
I have been shooting, building, researching (average a few hours a day reading gun boards, blogs, tests, ect) for almost 15 years.
People who KNOW about guns, specificaly the AR platform, and do not have some vested interest in selling or pushing a product, will tell you exactly what I tell you.
Anyone else is either ignorant, a brand fan boy, or has some interest in selling/pushing that product.
Piston AR's were and are a solution looking for a problem. Companies were able to start up, market and lure ignorant buyers into buying into that bullshit.
Like anything in life, most people are oblivious and ignorant to the nuances and details in anything....Politics, cooking, fluid dynamics.....whatever. Guns are no different. Shit, most people are just plain fucking stupid to begin with.
I, for one, am sick of people pussy-footing around. Just tell us what you really think!
I, for one, am sick of people pussy-footing around. Just tell us what you really think!
Hey man, might be rough around the edges but my advice is spot on. I'll take the pepsi challenge any day of the week.
Damn, I'm glad I don't have to go to bed tonight without knowing what a stupid mother fucker I am.
"Well they can't all be winners, can they?"
It is what it is.
It is what it is.
Man, talk about an axe to grind.
We all get it, you are the master, LWRC don't know shit.
Somehow, they manage to stay in business and mine is a shooter and has never had even one minor malfunction unless you count the time I closed the bolt on a range flag.
Haven't you beat this particular horse to death yet?
We all get it, you are the master, LWRC don't know shit.
Somehow, they manage to stay in business and mine is a shooter and has never had even one minor malfunction unless you count the time I closed the bolt on a range flag.
Haven't you beat this particular horse to death yet?
Its easy to sell snake oil to ignrorant and uninformed buyers. Hi Point must make fantastic weapons based on your logic that they are still in business.....
I'm just being honest. It's your money and time tha'ts being wasted.
Cobra, would you mind explaining the reference of JP as a "game gun?" I know JP sponsors and supports 3G comps, but these statements are constantly made about his rifles as "game guns." Are they not good for long range, precision work, hunting or home defense?
You may have been around with weapons for 10 +years and think you are the know all, be all and end all of the weapons world. You obnoxious ill mannered comment "Noveske prices their shit in the same realm, but unless the person is a complete idiot or novice, no one is choosing LWRC over Noveske" is completely unwarranted. Since I already own 2 Noveske N4 Afghan's 1 with a SS barrel and a Monolithic receiver. The other with a CL barrel and the MUIR receiver I guess my IQ must have dropped 100 points and I became an idiot by your description of any one who would choose an LWRC. Since I have been shooting and collecting for over 40 years. I guess Alzheimer is setting in.
You are certainly free to express your opinion on any product pro or con but does it have to be done in such a boorish and uncouth manner.
Almost everyone I have seen posts on this board do so in a professional manner. Cant you find a way to express your opinions in a more gentile manner. Then perhaps you would be taken more seriously. When I read posts like your I completely disregard them. As Shakespeare once wrote "A tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury signifying nothing". Especially you last comment "Like anything in life, most people are oblivious and ignorant to the nuances and details in anything....Politics, cooking, fluid dynamics.....whatever. Guns are no different. Shit, most people are just plain fucking stupid to begin with". All opinions have value, some a lot more than others what a sad out look on the world.
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You still haven't answered my question are you basing you opinion of LWRC on personal experience or just something you heard about. I have owned LMT, Stag, DMPS and Wilson. I own LWRCs and don't consider myself a dumb ass though many others may. But I do post my opinions based on my experience and not something I read on the internet. I have been shooting for 49 of my 65 years and have some experience to base my opinions on.
As for piston systems the best quote and forget who said it is "Those that want one don't need one and those that need one don't want one. Never the less our military seems set on the HK with a piston system. I own five gas operated rifles and four DI rifles and have no complaints on either.
As for piston systems the best quote and forget who said it is "Those that want one don't need one and those that need one don't want one. Never the less our military seems set on the HK with a piston system. I own five gas operated rifles and four DI rifles and have no complaints on either.
JP is not a proven combat weapon (as far as I have researched or read)
LMT (Brit DMR, MK18 USNavy), OBR (SOCOM unit purchase), GAP10 (SOCOM unit purchase), SCAR (SOCOM Rifle), KAC (MK11,SR-25,M110 and along with a bunch of SOCOM Variants) are all combat proven weapons.
JP are game guns. They are made to shoot very accurate and minimze recoil, 3Gun times, ect They use a lot of non-standard(as if there was even a standard, but you get the point) AR10 parts.
That's not to say JP is incappable of making a good combat weapon. They just are not marketed or designed as such.
I appologize if I don't candy coat every comment and present it in a pretty little package that does not hurt your delicate little feelings.
This my friends is an example of the 99%. You either "get it" or you don't.
I am still waiting to hear what LWRC offers, that other products do not already offer, for less money. And save the piston bullshit for the kids.
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Yes I have shot them. Rifles at half the price out perform them. A friend of the family/business associate of my father owns a piece of the company. I did some trade/deals with their manager back when I was still in college down on the short, right after they built their facility outside of cambridge. Nice guy, but I asked him this back in 2007ish what their product offers that a Colt 6920 with a FF rail doesn't. He gave the same , tired, bullshit lines as ignorant and uneducated gun owners do.
Our military is set on the HK piston system? I guess that's why the 416/ect did not impress the Army enough, that they shitcanned the ICC. This is in spite of the fact that HK has its hooks into the whole ordiance corp and has for years. Maybe you should do some research on the OICW and XM8 Programs. Pushing HK products is a great way to set yourself up for a 6 figure consulting job after your retire from the military. Take a look at the M-27.........I have a hunch some Officers of Marines are going to be working for HK very soon.
Just beacuse YOU have no complaints, does not mean they are a good product. What is your experince? Have you been building, studying, fixing guns for the last 49 years?
Most shooters wouldn't know the difference between a DPMS and a SR-15, considering they shoot at dirt piles twice a year.
Sites like this are for the sharing of information and helping each other out. If you cannot take good advice when it's given to you, supported by people who know what the fuck they are talking about(feel free to ask some industry profesional or read their opinions on the net), then why are you even here?
TGS is gtg. But I agree the Northwest Tactical and Modern Outfitters are better. Get the LWRC if you want, it's your money. They are reliable, the company stands behind its products, and I've never had a problem in the 3 I've owned. They make a good product. Get it.
I have purchased from Northwest Tactical and found their customer service and prices to be excellent. I own three LWRC products and would recommend them without reservation. LWRC also has excellent customer service.
I assure you sir, I am neither ignorant nor uninformed, being a gun collector and shooter for nearly 60 of my 71 years. I'm also a mechanical engineer and well acquainted with the design. I did due diligence on my gun before I purchased it. I did the same with my SR-15 when I bought that. Reed Knight did help me with that decision.
As to my time and money, you needn't concern yourself, I have plenty of both.
I quit reading after this. Talk about a name as the selling point, reminds me of John Deere.
Try Modern Outfitters as another mentioned, I have read good feedback for them. Might have to ring them on the phone..
CobraCutter seems a bit butt hurt by the piston LWRC ! Shesh, why so hostile, is Ford better than Chevy, 1911 vs the Glock, Grape soda better than Kool-Aid?
Many thanks to everyone who replied on a vendor for the LWRC purchase. Despite what our friend, whose posts are filled with four lettered invectives, says about LWRC I intend to go forward. Enough said, over and out.
It's not a question, its a fact. Top shooters in industry and the military would agree. Most shooters who are turned on, would agree.
There is a reason why they hardly ever go for sale on the secondary market.
I can build an equivalent of just about any AR on the market from COTS(JP is the other, although you can buy their parts). KAC products , you cannot. The amount of money and time that has gone into their products shows. They were building SR-25's for the military before most people in the industry even knew what an AR-15 was.
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No one is butt hurt. This debate was hashed out around 10+ years ago when these ideas and products were still in the devlopment stage.
This is nothing new. I am correcting information that people like you, who don't know what they are talking about, are putting out as fact.
Back when The AR was considered a unreliable piece of shit, that you should run dry, and that the bullet was designed to wound, not kill. Amazing how that opinion has changed in such short time, with virtualy no change to the system. Just a bunch of cosmetic and external changes, but we are still shooting the same basic system from 20-30 years ago.
We are talking about weapons with quantifiable qualities and atributes, with data that backs it up. Not cars , not sugar drinks. How many premier units are still using the 1911? Want to guess why they all went to the Glock/HK?
Collecting is one thing. Running a weapon through austure conditions, beating the shit out of it, and expecting it to perform in sub-optimal situations is another thing.
If LWRC was half its current price, it would atleast have a foot to stand on. At its current price, being sub-par product to others at a much better price point, it's not even a choice. It does not even have nostalgia or the presitege of being something used in combat that would build into the brand pricing.
And I'm sure a 71 year old man is really putting his weapon to the test. The men at group and on the teams must really be impressed by your praise of the weapon.
Funny how KAC is not mentioned much here but you hear GAP and JP. If you want to believe your posts, go ahead.
The OP has got his info, most good and from non biased users, job done.
Cobracutter,
For such vitriol agaisnt LWRC you have said little in terms of objective reports to back up your claims. With few exceptions i woukd venture to say that most of us LWRC owners have been more than pleased with their rifles. Despite what you say there are ldubs being fielded by some military units. That alone wouldnt prove anything anyhow. But to say tey cant hold up in austere conditions and are lesser rifles than the ones you mentioned? Sure buddy. Your axe to grind is obvious although the reasons for it are not.
Are they a bit pricey? Sure, definitely a bit overpriced but the ones ii have run without a hitch and make me confident they would work just fine should something go down. Oh, and they are extremely accurate for me. Maybe i just got lucky.
For such vitriol agaisnt LWRC you have said little in terms of objective reports to back up your claims. With few exceptions i woukd venture to say that most of us LWRC owners have been more than pleased with their rifles. Despite what you say there are ldubs being fielded by some military units. That alone wouldnt prove anything anyhow. But to say tey cant hold up in austere conditions and are lesser rifles than the ones you mentioned? Sure buddy. Your axe to grind is obvious although the reasons for it are not.
Are they a bit pricey? Sure, definitely a bit overpriced but the ones ii have run without a hitch and make me confident they would work just fine should something go down. Oh, and they are extremely accurate for me. Maybe i just got lucky.
What military units? Unit purchases or individual equipment? One day when I was test firing some weapons in Kuwait I had worked on, Some guys showed up with DPMS Kitty Kat 7" uppers on a few of their M4's. Now anyone who has run/shot one of these knows how horribly unreliable they are(Gas port, buffer issues,ect), not even taking into account how ballisticaly anemic 7" 5.56. Just because some Joe stuck a upper on a lower, does not mean it's quality.
I have no axe to grind. I am just stating the truth. There is nothing more to it. It has been explained above why they are a poor choice, with many drawbacks compared to comparable rifles/carbines that cost much less.
Feel free to do your own research on M4c, Lightfighter, Ar15.com...ect. Its been beaten to death by those in the know. I realize this might be new information for you or hard to belive, but its not even a debate at this point.
Most LWRC owners are hobbiest's at best. New /novice gun owners with the random fan boy. Dirt shooters and people who as I said earlier, wouldn't know the difference between DPMS and Daniel Defense.
This site is hardly the end all be all of combat firearms. Plenty of ignorance here just like some other sites.
ARFCOM Loves Larue
M4C and SH hate Larue but LOVE GAP
M4C Loves KAC but not huge fans of GAP/LARUE
Truth is, they are all good products. ARFCOM are just plain on Larue's balls. M4C is more Carbine/pistol oriented towards fast twitch muscle shooters. They want reliability and effectiveness. SH is more about accuracy and their game, The PRS. They value precsion and quality.
Me... I take it all into account. Reliability, accuracy, Weight, design, Pricing, Material sourcing, QC, Parts comonality, the market, historical trends, Company's history and even their politics in some cases.
I am not bias. I am just brutally honest.
Ok, so be specific.
How do you see LWRCs falling short and what observable data do YOU have that says they wont hold up?
Are they known for having faulty parts, being inaccurate, poor craftsmanship? Please pass on specifics because, other than some initial teething problems with magazine seating in the first REPRs (which CS fixed on their dime) i have heard of no reliability issues
How do you see LWRCs falling short and what observable data do YOU have that says they wont hold up?
Are they known for having faulty parts, being inaccurate, poor craftsmanship? Please pass on specifics because, other than some initial teething problems with magazine seating in the first REPRs (which CS fixed on their dime) i have heard of no reliability issues
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"Most LWRC owners are hobbiest's at best. New /novice gun owners with the random fan boy. Dirt shooters and people who as I said earlier, wouldn't know the difference between DPMS and Daniel Defense."
I said over and out butI just can not let your least statement stand. Just everything about what to said is nonsense. The five friends that have LWCS rifles are all long time match shooters, as I am, and put thousands of rounds down range in all types of matches. Assuming that I already have an one, I put over 10K rounds thru both Class III weapons and others every year. I am hardly a novice or a fan boy. I am willing to bet most of the responders that disagree with you are not novices or 2 times a year dirt shoot shooters and know the difference between low end AR's and higher end ones. What evidence do you have otherwise?
Is the LWRC expensive, yes. Is the SR 15 a top tier Ar absolutely. Is the SR line over priced compared to the LMT or OBR, yes. Are they worth the premium they charge over the LMT, OBR, not to me.
What imakes the SR 15 so much better than an equivalent DI LMT CQB that I own? Give us empirical eveidence not here-say or your opinion.
I said over and out butI just can not let your least statement stand. Just everything about what to said is nonsense. The five friends that have LWCS rifles are all long time match shooters, as I am, and put thousands of rounds down range in all types of matches. Assuming that I already have an one, I put over 10K rounds thru both Class III weapons and others every year. I am hardly a novice or a fan boy. I am willing to bet most of the responders that disagree with you are not novices or 2 times a year dirt shoot shooters and know the difference between low end AR's and higher end ones. What evidence do you have otherwise?
Is the LWRC expensive, yes. Is the SR 15 a top tier Ar absolutely. Is the SR line over priced compared to the LMT or OBR, yes. Are they worth the premium they charge over the LMT, OBR, not to me.
What imakes the SR 15 so much better than an equivalent DI LMT CQB that I own? Give us empirical eveidence not here-say or your opinion.
Match shooters are not warriors.
If you don't know why the SR15 is better than comparable DI guns, you really shouldn't even be commenting here. That just shows your ignorance.
My evidence is your claim. If you cannot discern the differences in weapons, quality, build, reliability and real world proven designs... then you again, should not be commenting due to your ignorance on the subject.
Perhaps you don't understand the english language due to your ignorance. You offer only your opinion not direct evidence. If the SR 15 was the best AR 15 out there why do the Navy Seal's use the H&K 416? I don't want to hear H&R has their hands in politicians pockets. Yes target many shooters are not warriors at present, you may be but many of us who now target shoot served our countries armed forces in the US Army and US Marines etc from Viet Nam to Iraq and Afghanistan. I guess my grandson who served 2 tours in Afghanistan who now target shoots was not a warrior because he know target shoots. So do not be so dismissive and condescending to those of us who served and previously saw combat. IMO you are so narcissistic you think you are the only one who knows what we all should purchase wether we agree with you or not or can not afford an SR15.
CC, why do you continue to avoid the question?
Please give solid specific facts on why you say LWRC is inferior? If you can't provide solid facts please provide us with your opinion in specific detail as to why they are inferior. If you can't do that, then you are just a blowhard with an opinion!
CC,
In my short time here, you are the only poster I have ever encountered who has never once backed up his opinion with a single fact when called to do so.
You may well be active military or ex-military, a gun assembler and even and armorer, however unless you have actually managed to machine parts or even make your own parts to supplement and improve the reliability and/or accuracy of a modern firearm, you are not a builder.
You are rude and a blowhard and I wish to offer you congratulations on making my ignore list. To the remainder of the forum, my apologies for the name calling but, in this case, I feel it was warranted.
In my short time here, you are the only poster I have ever encountered who has never once backed up his opinion with a single fact when called to do so.
You may well be active military or ex-military, a gun assembler and even and armorer, however unless you have actually managed to machine parts or even make your own parts to supplement and improve the reliability and/or accuracy of a modern firearm, you are not a builder.
You are rude and a blowhard and I wish to offer you congratulations on making my ignore list. To the remainder of the forum, my apologies for the name calling but, in this case, I feel it was warranted.
Now you're beginning to understand.
I am not avoiding it. I have personaly awsnered it about a dozen times in this board and others. Others have as well. All you have to do is a little searching on your own, and you will find it. I have no desire to type all this shit out anyway, trying to watch my Ravens.
If your too fucking lazy to take the information presented in this very thread and do your own research, then you deserve to be ignorant.
I am Rude. I have no patience for stupidity,laziness or ignorance.
Here is a great post from Tacticalmedic556 over at m4c:
BCM or Colt. Avoid LWRC. Tons of info on this site to back that up.
as I have said before:
Had an LMT MRP piston set-up and sold the BCG and rod to re-set it up for DI. Then sold that upper (MRP being proprietary barrels) and went all out with a BCM 14.5 Mid on the LMT lower.
My work gun is a Colt 6933, runs flawless, never a problem.
I've said this before and will say it again; Pistons were a marketing ploy, driven by consumer demand as well as US military bureaucrats who suffered a lack of logic, research and intelligence into the design, and function of Eugene Stoners design.
Noveske held out and never built them for a reason. His quotes on the issue are numerous.
Mike Pannone of CTT has written extensively on M4 weapon reliability and maintenance. Conclusion- Magazine problems account for nearly 80% of problems, Parts, User error and maintenance the rest.
Pistons create numerous other problems in the M4 including carrier tilt, and cam pin gouging. There are too many other issues to list. M4 carbon fouling is a MYTHOLOGY.
Look up Pat Rogers gun "filthy 14" nearly 40,000 rounds and never cleaned. The M4 is designed to be shot dirty, BUT wet! Put some slip 2000 ewl on it and go to town! If you look at hard run M4's the carbon only builds up on non-crtitical areas that really don't rub or touch anything. It may not be pretty, may be a mess when you do clean it, but they run and run well.
Pistons are a non-solution to a non-problem but created a marked and took a lot of money from a lot of guys. The proprietary parts are an issue unto themselves if a shooter is concerned about parts availability.
I shoot M4s regularly as a part of my JOB. I shoot Colt 11.5 inch at SWAT and own my own 6920. Never ever have problems. And that is the honest truth.
A friend of mine on SWAT attended a carbine class for Law Enforcement only. It rained on the range (typical) and was muddy as hell. Three officers there from another department had HK 416s. At some point in the drills, while getting wet and covered in mud, the 416s began to suffer cycling and function issues.
Pannone Articles:
The Big M4 Myth: “Fouling caused by the direct impingement gas system makes the M4/M4A1 Carbine unreliable.”
Source: DefenseReview.com (The Big M4 Myth: ?Fouling caused by the direct impingement gas system makes the M4/M4A1 Carbine unreliable.? | Defense Review)
http://www.defensereview.com/the-big...m4-unreliable/
M4/M4A1 Carbine Reliability Issues Part II: Diagnosing the root cause.
http://www.defensereview.com/m4m4a1-...he-root-cause/
M4/M4A1 Carbine Reliability Issues: Why They Occur, and Why They’re Our Fault!
Source: DefenseReview.com (M4/M4A1 Carbine Reliability Issues: Why They Occur, and Why They?re Our Fault! | Defense Review)
http://www.defensereview.com/m4m4a1-...yre-our-fault/
Fact is, Stoner considered a piston and through out the idea.
M4s work very well, and especially well without pistons.
Get a DI.
Yeah...and they are still choking and having to be sent back, according to a family member in MARSOC who is responsible for his unit's weapons. He said the SCAR Heavy was great, and that the enhanced SR25 was exactly the spec they needed...just executed poorly and that he was sick of trying to keep them running. For someone hating on "fanbois" I think I smell a KAC enthusiast..which is cool...just don't try to preach to us like your channeling Gen Patton. It's not working.
And quoting anything off M4C...I'm not sure whether to dismiss that forum as a drama club or a circle jerk...I'm gonna go with both.
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I think someone can give their opinion while being tactful and respectful. Going out of your way to point out your rudeness & then call out others as stupid, lazy, and ignorance doesn't help with the discussion at hand.
As I would agree, I would rather have a DI ar in comparison to a piston ar in regards to accuracy (much less moving parts in my opnion), I'm not going to knock others down for having such weapons. Has nothing to do with being "butt hurt" or what ever disrespectful comments. I have much respect for guys like killshot that use & prefer such weapons & promote such AR's to their fullest potential. What ever works best for you.
Make your point, back it up with evidence and pictures, and simply be respectful with your opinion.
As I would agree, I would rather have a DI ar in comparison to a piston ar in regards to accuracy (much less moving parts in my opnion), I'm not going to knock others down for having such weapons. Has nothing to do with being "butt hurt" or what ever disrespectful comments. I have much respect for guys like killshot that use & prefer such weapons & promote such AR's to their fullest potential. What ever works best for you.
Make your point, back it up with evidence and pictures, and simply be respectful with your opinion.
The same could be said of this site or just about any other gun board.
I was talking about SR-15 E3's, Not SR-25's which have their own issues that you are aluding to. I thought we were talking about 15's here? That's the price you pay when you tweak a proven system to try and get more out of it. They have already proven with the 15 that they can modify the gas system, bolt,ect to get a softer shooting gun that gets much less wear than a comparable DI AR15.
The whole point I have been making is that Pistons have more drawbacks then "benefits", and even their "benefits" are mostly marketing,hype and ignorance.
CC,
Just curious who you think are "top shooters" in US Mil?
Just curious who you think are "top shooters" in US Mil?
Well said Elfster1234, Killshot, Shovelstrokeed and chainring but after all of CC posts I believe no matter what any one of us has said regarding his constant use of foul disrespectful language he is never going to change. He is by far the rudest, crudest, and disrespectful poster I have ever encountered on the net. He may or may not have a valid point but he hasn't the faintest idea of how to conduct polite discourse when one disagrees with an issue at hand and can't conduct a conversation with out a plethora of four letter invectives. As for his 1:45 PM post BSMSPHD.
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