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What stock do i get?

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Hello. Putting together an AR platform rifle and I don't know what stock i should get.

It will be a Noveske 14.5" Afghan upper (already ordered)
With an SWFA 1-6x24 in a Bobro mount (already have)

I just dont know what stock to get, I would like this rifle to be small and easily wielded but it seems i'll end up with a chin-weld unless I get the Magpul PRS

What does everyone else do?
 
After trying just about every high end stock available, I keep coming back to the SOPMOD. They are on all but one of my AR's which is kept in factory A4 configuration.
 
It depends more on the height of your mount than the optic. I've done fine with a Nightforce 2.5-10, assorted 1-4 and 1-6 optics with normal Emod, Imod and Magpul STR stocks. Don't get a PRS for a 14.5 Afghan rifle. You'll be fine with the normal stock. I'd get a lower mount before I'd get a PRS, but I bet you won't have a problem.
 
0V3RC10CK3D said:
Doesn't that force you into a chinweld when running a 1-6x24?
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No. I use a NXS 3.5-15X50 on a Nightforce mount with the SOPMOD. Cheek weld is not 100% ideal but its definitely not chin weld and I am able to shoot it comfortably and consistently.
 
I have the same mount, PST 2.5-10 and a SOPMOD. I love the combo, perfect cheek weld every time.
 
Maybe I need bigger cheeks, I just realized that even with my Aimpoint Micro and Larue LT660 mount I have to lift my head up pretty high to see through it but it doesnt seem to be as big of a deal as there are no eyebox issues with the Aimpoint, seems harder to get my 1-6x24 in the right place.
 
I run an RCOM4 ACOG on my Noveske N4 Afghan in the supplied ACOG mount and have no trouble with the supplied Vltor stock. I also tried the Magpul STR stock it worked just as well but put it back on my POF 415.
 
I got my 18" Noveske SPR upper. Tossed it on a lower with a sopmod stock and I still look through the bottom of the scope with a normal cheek weld.

I'll need to either get a PRS stock or ditch the Bobro mount and get some lower rings.
 
SOPMOD with 2.5x10 24mm with ARMS mounts. I also use a SOPMOD on a Mk18 with an Eotech. The stock does it all. Solid and simple. Here is a photo of a SOPMOD on a Mk12 and on an M4 my nephew is shooting.
 

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I love the UBR. Lockup is rock solid and I don't have a problem with a bad cheek weld. I keep my PRS on the lowest setting on another AR.
 
for a 14.5 it would have to be collapsable magpul or emod but its really your preffrence
 
I'll say a few things first... Firing ARs is different than bolt guns in that you're typically shooting from several different positions in a dynamic way. Typically you're not mashing your face against the stock the same way we do when shooting bolt guns from the prone; their height of sight is designed around military members who has to have a "one size fits millions" spec to it, and once you bring in the additional equipment worn with various helmets, chin straps and gas masks, well you get a high as hell height of sight standard. So when you mount a scope at standard height and try to shoot it like a precision rifle, you're going to have the floating cheek bone issue. Most of us simply deal with it when we're trying to shoot tiny groups or far off targets, and never notice it when we're running an el Presidente drill.

For you though, if you're really wanting to do something about it but still have the adjustability of a collapsible stock, you can have the best of both worlds courtesy of Battleline Industries: https://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=3656

That attachment will allow you to have the adjustable comb for precision, yet get it out of the way when you're wanting to shoot multiple sets of hammer pairs.
 
0V3RC10CK3D said:
Any ideas guys? I picked up the SOPMOD based off of some recommendations in this threads.

Not sure what to do about my problem here, my scope is way too high
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Everybody is built differently, so your one of the few guys on the planet that a standard height mount on an AR does not work. Since your scope mount is not working for you, neither would any BUIS, since they are also the same standard height. Given that, you also do not need a QD mount since quickly accessing your BUIS is one of rationals for a QD mount in the first place.

So if you want a lower scope, here what I recommend you look into: First you'll need a Riser Rail, like this one Optical Rail Scope Mounts - AR-15 and M-16 Standard Scope Mount Then you will need the lowest 30MM rings you can find, like these Seekins Scope Ring

So you will a riser rail 0.50" high, plus 30MM rings 0.820" high for a total height of 1.32" as compared to your Bobro which mounts at 1.575" High. That reduction of 0.255" might do it for you. And selling your Bobro should cover the cost of that setup.
 
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The rings appear to come in all sorts of heights
Scope Ring

Since I have a full length rail would it be bad to have one ring on the rail and one on the receiver? Only thing I'm worried about is if the receiver and rail are not completely level or the rail is slightly twisted.
 
Looking at your photo something with your position seems odd to me but I am having a hard time putting my finger on it. It almost seems as though your face is not parallel to the stock, causing you to look out of the tops of your eyes. Your eyes don't work as well that way and it will become tiring after prolonged periods. I am wondering if shouldering the stock higher in your shoulder pocket could alleviate the issue(bringing the rifle to your face not lowering your face to the rifle).


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Personally I think your driving your head too far down Into the stock. Most people have no issues with a sopmod, acs, or personally I use the ctr with grear sucess.the pic you showed appears to have looking at a down angle, and raising your eyes into the scope. I honestly think if you made a point of straightening your head and eyes down the rifle the sopmod would be fine for you.

That said the larue riser on a ctr, or sapline will fix your problem, at the cost of weight.
 
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ptrlcop said:
Looking at your photo something with your position seems odd to me
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Yep.

If you were looking straight forward, you would be looking at your ejection port. Bring the rifle up on your shoulder and relax the muscles in your head which are raising your eyebrows for you to see through them. ;)
 
wareagle700 said:
Yep.

If you were looking straight forward, you would be looking at your ejection port. Bring the rifle up on your shoulder and relax the muscles in your head which are raising your eyebrows for you to see through them. ;)
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To follow on with the theme: In shotgunning with a bead , head position on your stock is everything, because your eye is the rear sight. What you appear to be doing is bringing your head down to the gun, rather than correctly bringing the gun to up your head.

Your scrunched and hunched position in your photo is an indicator of bringing your head down, instead of bringing the gun up.
 
Lengthen your stock for a correct length of pull (drop the butt of the stock sideways down into the crook of your elbow and lengthen the stock until the trigger finger/trigger relationship is correct.) Then you will see that you can probably use a full-size Magpul PRS, which is what I'm doing on my multigun rifle build. The PRS will allow you to adjust your cheekweld height to perfect using your current mount. If you prefer the nose-to-charging-handle position, then yeah, lower Seekins, American Rifle Company, Nightforce, etc. rings will be your huckleberry. I know a typical 1.5 inch height mount is higher than I really need, particularly if I shoot prone. Still, a 1.4 height is fine for me, so you must have facial structure that lets your eye ride lower on the stock than a lot of folks. One benefit of the PRS stock is it's rifle-length recoil system, which will make that Noveske SPR upper cycle even a tad bit smoother than with a carbine length.
 
If i stand up straight and keep the stock back further then the butt-pad is up on my collar bone, i thought that was bad?
I'm used to shooting pistol in isosceles so I guess I'm trying to transition that to rifle. This normally isnt a problem with an aimpoint but the eyebox for this 1-6 seems to need to be dead on or I see black shadows.
 
What stock do i get?

Here are a few photos that I think demonstrate the position changes some of us are talking about. They are of Kyle Defoor, who I think is one of the better shooters of scoped carbines that I have seen.
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Notice that even with a pretty aggressive stance his head is still pretty erect and neutral.


Eta:

You mentioned dropping your head like that to pistol shoot isosceles... I used to do that also. I found that looking thru the top of my eyes like that caused my rounds to impact high at distance. It was explained to me that your eyes see differently if you are not looking out the center of your vision. Also, Matt Burkett and Rob Letham would tell you that any movement of your head during the draw will dramatically reduce your draw time.
 
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