Wow....sounds like Bushnell stepped up in a big way!
Rifle Scopes New Optic From Bushnell, The LRHS
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On another note, I do not see why this would not be an excellent choice for a 5.56 SPR. Anyone have an opinion on this use? 16 or 18" 5.56 AR set up for precision.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Is the glass/coatings on LRHS higher quality than the XRS/ERS or the same?
Basically I am wondering if Bushnell purposly added upgraded glass and/or coatings to this scope.
Is most of the cost in this scope in making it light weight, better glass, new turrets? All of the above?
The reason for these questions is that at 1500 it is only a couple hundred less than the xrs street price (new). I understand that making things light and strong can be very costly so I am assuming that added to the cost.
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Basically I am wondering if Bushnell purposly added upgraded glass and/or coatings to this scope.
Is most of the cost in this scope in making it light weight, better glass, new turrets? All of the above?
The reason for these questions is that at 1500 it is only a couple hundred less than the xrs street price (new). I understand that making things light and strong can be very costly so I am assuming that added to the cost.
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Totally agree, it would be great on a precision AR 223 or 308.
I have 100 extra Elevation knobs on order and will be offering BDC elevation turrets 3rd or 4th qtr 2014
This was my initial interest in the scope was for my spr woa
I can't wait to check this scope out, I'm planing on doing a quick overview and mounting it to my SPR and doing a quick long range session with it. I think 650 yards would good.
Also , it's really unfair to compare an optics price to your Mil/LEO discount. I mean for you personal choice yes, but I"m pretty sure Busnell also offers a mil/leo discount, so feel free to go that route. Try and compare apples to apples guys.
Also , it's really unfair to compare an optics price to your Mil/LEO discount. I mean for you personal choice yes, but I"m pretty sure Busnell also offers a mil/leo discount, so feel free to go that route. Try and compare apples to apples guys.
Ryan,
Looking forward to your report
Please do some low light testing against some other optics.
Personally, for deer (Texas whitetail) I can get by without illumination provided it has good glass and a bold enough reticle.
Looking forward to your report
Please do some low light testing against some other optics.
Personally, for deer (Texas whitetail) I can get by without illumination provided it has good glass and a bold enough reticle.
Exposed elevation with a capped windage called the LRHS? Sounds almost identical to the current Vortex HS-LR with the same configuration...
You know this is really killen me. Instead of looking at the fact that we now have more options in diffeent price ranges all I read is bitching and moaning for what ever reason. If you like it great! If you dont then don't and just move on. Its just another tool in the bag. If it fits great if not look at something else!
i am with a few of the guys here. you can get much better scopes for $100-150 more. I would choose the viper pst 4-16 over this and save the five hundo.
I actually decided to go ahead and get one with the group buy. If the scope is as good as it is supposed to be I will keep it. If not, bushnells great warranty guarantees that I will only be out a few dollars. Seems like a win win to me.
Levi
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How do you know it's "much better"?......you've never even looked at one.
Looks like a very well thought out scope to me. A solid magnification range, turrets you don't have to rappel from, and a very well thought out reticle. For the features, the price on the group buy seems legit.
It's not a "tactical" scope, so I don't expect it to be a tactical scope with super turrets and shuriken holders. It is a hunting scope, and looks incredibly well thought out for the use.
I'll look to buying one in about a year once they have been on the market a bit, but thanks for putting the time and effort into spec'ing out this scope.
It's not a "tactical" scope, so I don't expect it to be a tactical scope with super turrets and shuriken holders. It is a hunting scope, and looks incredibly well thought out for the use.
I'll look to buying one in about a year once they have been on the market a bit, but thanks for putting the time and effort into spec'ing out this scope.
Hmmm Gotta find my Dremel now!
HEY...Remember the old Glow in the Dark Reticles that Bushnell use to offer. Shine a flash light into your scopse eye piece to charge it then it would glow for a while. Kinda think that could be done here too. But those reticles were really thick. Maybe some glow juice on the elevation turret numbers as well as the 0 indicator on top.... Most every day I hunted this year with my HDMR I was set up waiting on light...not long with the 34mm tube but had to keep the scope at 5x just to see the reticle. Wished for illumination of some kind every time. Yeah could have went with a different scope but I like the Bushnell for my price point and the Tremor2. I also imagine that if it were to "glow" at the high end magnification might blurr/flood/wash/ F-UP everything you're trying to see threw the scope..kinda like when the illumination is turned up all the way on other scopes...with the glow in the dark you can't "turn it back down". Maybe with this reticle just the thick bars on the sides and bottom and the center cross.
I'm going to go ahead and "bash " the PST line of scopes here now. I've owned 3-4, own one now, so I am qualified.
The PST line has a lot of good features, including street price point, but they are not great at anything. The glass clarity is not acceptable ,or consistent from scope to scope,throughout the power range of the 4-16 and. 6-24. For casual range use they are OK but I would not recommend a PST for a serious big game hunt.
Bushnell elite glass is better and always has been. The DMR and ERS glass smokes the PST.
For a hunting scope, which the news LRHS is, lets not forget that, I need two things primarily to make clean kill shots on living animals at distance...accurate tracking and great optical system. I hope this new bushnell has that.
As far as " much better scopes" for a little more than the LRHS, that is a balsy statement from anyone that has not seen or fondled one.
The price is retail and we all know it's higher than it will be.
But, there is nothing like this at this price point. You can't buy a used Leupold 3-18 for 1500. Premier LT? No. March 3-24? Nope. Nightforce 2.5-10x42? Nope. Truth be told there is nothing exactly like this at any price point.
But, there is nothing like this at this price point. You can't buy a used Leupold 3-18 for 1500. Premier LT? No. March 3-24? Nope. Nightforce 2.5-10x42? Nope. Truth be told there is nothing exactly like this at any price point.
You seem to forget, this Bushy is a high end HUNTING scope. Not a LOW end TACTICAL scope like the PST.
So what's the division of features between this and the 3-12x44 bushy in the tactical line which doubles the price?
I would think the glass is the same, at least the optical prescription, the scopes seem to have the exact same overall length, power range and objective size.
I was more directing my inquiry at the other poster who labeled this a high end hunting scope. I was just wondering what changed from the low end tactical Bushy to this scope which instantly bumped it to high-end status.
I can accept that if its a low production item that production cost, and therefore retail costs, are higher. Makes perfect sense.
I actually like the 3-12x44 Bushnell. It brings a lot for a modest price.
I was more directing my inquiry at the other poster who labeled this a high end hunting scope. I was just wondering what changed from the low end tactical Bushy to this scope which instantly bumped it to high-end status.
I can accept that if its a low production item that production cost, and therefore retail costs, are higher. Makes perfect sense.
I actually like the 3-12x44 Bushnell. It brings a lot for a modest price.
George said its a completely new design. Redesigned lens system, new glass, turrets, but that's just second hand info. Pat and George would have to answer this question.
I thought I pointed all that out, already. Pretty much everything is different. Only thing theses two scopes share is the power and objective size. Tube, saddle. Power ring, elevation knob, wind adage knob, zero stop, reticle, markings are all different. It's a new scope altogether. Glass clarity is on par with XRS/ERS and Nightforce and Vortex Razor. Probably not on par with 3500 -6000 S&B and Hendsolt. But they are $1500. It's what it needs to be for a LRHS.
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I find the glass in the elite tactical line is good enough so saying this scope has better glass isn't much of a selling point to me personally.
Considering the price difference between the DMR and The ERS, the MSRP of this scope compared to the elite tactical 3-12x makes sense to me. However, the reticle, while its a step in the right direction, offers me nothing over the G2. It could be fixed with a few minor tweaks to suit the kind of hunting I do, but that's just me picking nits.
I think it's awesome that Bushnell was willing to listen to actual hunters to bring their ideal hunting scope to market.
My $0.02
Considering the price difference between the DMR and The ERS, the MSRP of this scope compared to the elite tactical 3-12x makes sense to me. However, the reticle, while its a step in the right direction, offers me nothing over the G2. It could be fixed with a few minor tweaks to suit the kind of hunting I do, but that's just me picking nits.
I think it's awesome that Bushnell was willing to listen to actual hunters to bring their ideal hunting scope to market.
My $0.02
Heck yes they have a great warranty! I have used it a couple times now. I had some issues with HDMR turrets and one had a lens issue. They paid for it to ship back to them and within a week I had replacements.
One of the new Bushy Hunting scopes will work perfectly on my Xtreme Hunter. Sign me up George
I've handled this new Bushy Hunter. The PST is not on the same level. I have seen the same 4-16 PST go in for warranty work 4 times before it was fixed. I haven't seen one yet that would make it on a strenuous hunt.
A much better scope for $150? Not going to happen with the Bushnell's features and parts. If you can, prove it!
You guys are paying the extra scratch for a combination of features that make a lot of sense and on top of that the scope was speced out by knowledgeable long range hunters not bean counters looking to cut corners trying save money. Look at all the scopes out there that are lacking because of this or that. Seems like there is always something missing on them or weren't all they were cracked up to be or are a boat anchor.
The LRHS is light "and" very versatile.
The LRHS is light "and" very versatile.
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The only scope that might match it feature wise and glass wise for somewhat of a similar price I imagine is bushnells own ERS which is on a regular basis going to be 200+ more. Then depending on the application you might not want all that weight the ERS provides. If the LRHS hits the ground running which I imagine it does. I think there is a chance we see another variation way down the road.
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ERS is very Nice, but is heavy and turrets are large and bulky. its a great Tactical scope but this is much different.
New Optic From Bushnell, The LRHS
I agree which is why i mentioned the application specificity. Less someone is willing to lug around the ERS on a hunting rifle (which admittedly the ERS is growing on me lol) the LRHS is going to be much more favorable. All in all I'm excited about it and can't wait to see it.
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I agree which is why i mentioned the application specificity. Less someone is willing to lug around the ERS on a hunting rifle (which admittedly the ERS is growing on me lol) the LRHS is going to be much more favorable. All in all I'm excited about it and can't wait to see it.
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Good looking scope George. I like how the zero stop is set-up. It is very easy to set it. Well though out.
Also thanks for the video review and by the way, that phone on your desk is NOT ringing.
Also thanks for the video review and by the way, that phone on your desk is NOT ringing.
Good looking scope George. I like how the zero stop is set-up. It is very easy to set it. Well though out.
Also thanks for the video review and by the way, that phone on your desk is NOT ringing.
Lol Pete, it was 8:30 PM or it would have been!
George, good lookin scope you and Pat did a great job there.If you need someone to t&e the scope on brown bear/grizzly this spring.
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That is one heck of a nice set of features. About the only missing things would be a locking elevation turret and a cat tail of sorts. IMO this will make for a superb topper for an AR. Would love to see what the reticle looks like on 3x and 12x. Seems like the design compensates for the FFP reticle thinning out and becoming hard to see on the lower end of the power range. Price wise I would like to see what happens to street price after the new wears off. It's currently in the unobtanium range for me and my budget, but then that's my problem.
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Sincerly, George, how about the construction?
I've looked at the features and it seems to offer a lot I want in a scope, though 1500 is painful. I'd have to be convinced of the new quality of construction before purchase, despite previous experience with Bushnell.
"I'm going to go ahead and "bash " the PST line of scopes here now. I've owned 3-4, own one now, so I am qualified.
The PST line has a lot of good features, including street price point, but they are not great at anything. The glass clarity is not acceptable ,or consistent from scope to scope,throughout the power range of the 4-16 and. 6-24. For casual range use they are OK but I would not recommend a PST for a serious big game hunt."
George, I too have owned a couple of bushys in the past and have been far less than impressed with them, but I want to caveat because of the obvious sensitivities here.
I recognize Bushnell is offering a serious warranty promising to stand behind their product should I not be happy with the quality for any reason, and as quoated above, not all models are the same, -wherein lies my hope and reason for inquiry. Sincerely it is only respect of your statement which makes me even consider buying a bushnell anything again. I know B&L was the high-brand division, but I always considered Bushnell chinese garbage, and obviously ok with what they were doing. Aparently something has changed. I've heard Bushnell was making better stuff now, but with so many others I know to be good, I have not pursued looking at Bushy again.
I've used a couple in the past where everytime I went out I was sighting in again due to the fact that nether would stay where zeroed, -and neither one had decent resolution, which caused me some issues when trying to determine if I was looking at bucks or flat-tops against a brush pile. I actually viewed probably 20 deer for 10 minutes and could not make a shot because of this. I thought it was good enough glass until I put it to that test.
George, I hear you regarding glass quality and clarity, which costs money I know, but how do we compare the construction, as in the gears, repeatability, and durability/resistance to change, to that of NF, Vortex, etc? I was looking at NF for purchase for a hunting scope, and a tactical model but cost had me dragging my feet. How does the construction compare?
I've looked at the features and it seems to offer a lot I want in a scope, though 1500 is painful. I'd have to be convinced of the new quality of construction before purchase, despite previous experience with Bushnell.
"I'm going to go ahead and "bash " the PST line of scopes here now. I've owned 3-4, own one now, so I am qualified.
The PST line has a lot of good features, including street price point, but they are not great at anything. The glass clarity is not acceptable ,or consistent from scope to scope,throughout the power range of the 4-16 and. 6-24. For casual range use they are OK but I would not recommend a PST for a serious big game hunt."
George, I too have owned a couple of bushys in the past and have been far less than impressed with them, but I want to caveat because of the obvious sensitivities here.
I recognize Bushnell is offering a serious warranty promising to stand behind their product should I not be happy with the quality for any reason, and as quoated above, not all models are the same, -wherein lies my hope and reason for inquiry. Sincerely it is only respect of your statement which makes me even consider buying a bushnell anything again. I know B&L was the high-brand division, but I always considered Bushnell chinese garbage, and obviously ok with what they were doing. Aparently something has changed. I've heard Bushnell was making better stuff now, but with so many others I know to be good, I have not pursued looking at Bushy again.
I've used a couple in the past where everytime I went out I was sighting in again due to the fact that nether would stay where zeroed, -and neither one had decent resolution, which caused me some issues when trying to determine if I was looking at bucks or flat-tops against a brush pile. I actually viewed probably 20 deer for 10 minutes and could not make a shot because of this. I thought it was good enough glass until I put it to that test.
George, I hear you regarding glass quality and clarity, which costs money I know, but how do we compare the construction, as in the gears, repeatability, and durability/resistance to change, to that of NF, Vortex, etc? I was looking at NF for purchase for a hunting scope, and a tactical model but cost had me dragging my feet. How does the construction compare?
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I mean what is different in the construction of the scope, other than glass which has been established, which makes it a 1500 dollar scope versus other scopes which say Bushnell on them? Can anyone answer this?
HDMR was $850, G2DMR $1250 5mil, G2DMR $1800 10mil driving the price up.
3-12x44FF $700, G2-3-12x44 $1500.
I bought these scopes when every body said they were junk, they were a great scope for a fair price. The price is out of control WHY.
3-12x44FF $700, G2-3-12x44 $1500.
I bought these scopes when every body said they were junk, they were a great scope for a fair price. The price is out of control WHY.
Well, given the number of hits I got on my through the scope HDMR review on Youtube, the HDMR sold really well. I think Bushnell is raising the price because they've successfully establish their street cred with the original HDMR and are now charging what the market think the scope is worth to maximize profit (and there is nothing wrong with that!).
You probably skipped past where this is answered above. This scope is Made for Bushnell by Light Optical, Japan. This is the same company that makes the Nightforce scopes, the Vortex Razor's and the High end Nikon's This is not at all comparable to what Bushnell used to market to hunters. This is a Serious piece of equipment.
3 Years ago Bushnell Hired CSM (ret) Tom Fuller Tom Retired as the Command Sargent Major or the USAMU Army Marksmanship Unit. Tom and The Product Development team at Bushnell set up what is now the Bushnell Tactical Division and is a line of high end products. The CAG Team at the International Sniper comp runs these scopes. The USASOC sniper comp was won with a pair of these scopes. At this years Precision Rifle Series final 5 of the Top 10 were shooting Bushnell Scopes 9 of the top 20. Go to any major competition and all you will see is Schmidt and Bender, Bushnell and Vortex anymore with a couple others here and there. This is verifiable don't believe me check for yourselves. Bushnell and its team of guys are serious about putting out great product in this line, allot of guys here are still comparing this scope and others in the Tactical Elite line to Bushnell's of the past. I'm telling you this is a whole new Breed!! I know this sounds like a sales pitch but like I said check it out. Im not paid in any way by Bushnell, but I do use them!
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+1...pretty interested in this scope!
To buy Bushy or NOT
No George, I didn't skip anything. That's why I asked. I heard the optical clarity answered but not what made the construction of the New Bushnells different from the previously manufactured garbage, and what has changed to sustantiate the price. I hear the competition is now using them. That's great. Maybe this scope will become famous this way and Bushnell will make a lasting change in the way they operate. -But that isn't certain is it?
To be honest, I won't buy. There are a lot of spiteful things I thought to say but the bottom line is if anything went wrong after purchase, regardless of warranty I would feel like an absolute idiot that had to learn the same lesson 3 X times! It would be more than I could take. I hear the warranty but still don't trust it. With quality US manufactures out there like Leupold, which are solid and have always backed thier scopes, (and you know what you're dealing with) though they lack Hendsoldt or Swarovski glass, it would be hard to spend money where I've already been ridiculously burned twice. JMHO.
For those that plan to purchase, best of luck to you. I sincerely hope it works out well for you. And if Bushnell is under new management or ownership (which I have not heard), good luck to Bushnell making quality products people come to trust. I've discovered that is probably the most important feature. Thanks.
No George, I didn't skip anything. That's why I asked. I heard the optical clarity answered but not what made the construction of the New Bushnells different from the previously manufactured garbage, and what has changed to sustantiate the price. I hear the competition is now using them. That's great. Maybe this scope will become famous this way and Bushnell will make a lasting change in the way they operate. -But that isn't certain is it?
To be honest, I won't buy. There are a lot of spiteful things I thought to say but the bottom line is if anything went wrong after purchase, regardless of warranty I would feel like an absolute idiot that had to learn the same lesson 3 X times! It would be more than I could take. I hear the warranty but still don't trust it. With quality US manufactures out there like Leupold, which are solid and have always backed thier scopes, (and you know what you're dealing with) though they lack Hendsoldt or Swarovski glass, it would be hard to spend money where I've already been ridiculously burned twice. JMHO.
For those that plan to purchase, best of luck to you. I sincerely hope it works out well for you. And if Bushnell is under new management or ownership (which I have not heard), good luck to Bushnell making quality products people come to trust. I've discovered that is probably the most important feature. Thanks.
No George, I didn't skip anything. That's why I asked. I heard the optical clarity answered but not what made the construction of the New Bushnells different from the previously manufactured garbage, and what has changed to sustantiate the price. I hear the competition is now using them. That's great. Maybe this scope will become famous this way and Bushnell will make a lasting change in the way they operate. -But that isn't certain is it?
To be honest, I won't buy. There are a lot of spiteful things I thought to say but the bottom line is if anything went wrong after purchase, regardless of warranty I would feel like an absolute idiot that had to learn the same lesson 3 X times! It would be more than I could take. I hear the warranty but still don't trust it. With quality US manufactures out there like Leupold, which are solid and have always backed thier scopes, (and you know what you're dealing with) though they lack Hendsoldt or Swarovski glass, it would be hard to spend money where I've already been ridiculously burned twice. JMHO.
For those that plan to purchase, best of luck to you. I sincerely hope it works out well for you. And if Bushnell is under new management or ownership (which I have not heard), good luck to Bushnell making quality products people come to trust. I've discovered that is probably the most important feature. Thanks.
To be honest, I won't buy. There are a lot of spiteful things I thought to say but the bottom line is if anything went wrong after purchase, regardless of warranty I would feel like an absolute idiot that had to learn the same lesson 3 X times! It would be more than I could take. I hear the warranty but still don't trust it. With quality US manufactures out there like Leupold, which are solid and have always backed thier scopes, (and you know what you're dealing with) though they lack Hendsoldt or Swarovski glass, it would be hard to spend money where I've already been ridiculously burned twice. JMHO.
For those that plan to purchase, best of luck to you. I sincerely hope it works out well for you. And if Bushnell is under new management or ownership (which I have not heard), good luck to Bushnell making quality products people come to trust. I've discovered that is probably the most important feature. Thanks.
Just curious, which 3 model Bushnell scopes did you have trouble with? I like to hear the good and the bad.
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