Suppressors Any benefit to a dedicated 223 suppressor for AR?

[gunshinestate]

I'm already waiting on a 30BA and went ahead and had the brakes put on both my bolt 308 and 223 AR build.

I was thinking though that i *might want to go ahead and get another can before the *possible new trust changes.


I'd still want something that attaches via brake.



Considering that I've already got a 30 cal can on its way, is there any benefit to getting a dedicated 223 can for the AR? Something like the Specwar 556, etc?
OR, should go ahead and get another 30cal can like the Specwar 762?

Is a 556 can noticeably quieter/lighter when shot on a 223/556 AR or is it probably a better idea to get a 762 can even though it will probably always be on the AR?

 

[Paddywagon]

I bought a TBAC 30 for my TRG and a Specwar 7.62 for multi cal use. The Specwar 7.62 actually had better decibal ratings on 223 than did their Specwar 5.56.

 

[wnroscoe]

I'm already waiting on a 30BA and went ahead and had the brakes put on both my bolt 308 and 223 AR build.

I was thinking though that i *might want to go ahead and get another can before the *possible new trust changes.


I'd still want something that attaches via brake.



Considering that I've already got a 30 cal can on its way, is there any benefit to getting a dedicated 223 can for the AR? Something like the Specwar 556, etc?
OR, should go ahead and get another 30cal can like the Specwar 762?

Is a 556 can noticeably quieter/lighter when shot on a 223/556 AR or is it probably a better idea to get a 762 can even though it will probably always be on the AR?

You might not be able to hear the difference between a 5.56/223 can vs a 30 cal can but, it's there. If you already have a 30 caliber can en-route I'd get a 5.56/223 can as well for the AR's. I've run a Gemtech 300WM Ti Sandstorm on everything from 6XC up and it's been spot on, good suppression and over all performance.

Look at the Silencerco Saker as it has multiple mounting options and will work on the AAC mounts. I have a Surefire SOCOM 556-RC en-route for my PWS rifles but at one time wanted to pull the trigger on the AAC M4-2000. Loose mounting and horror stories about their CS made me look else where. If I didn't order the SOCOM I would have went with the Saker because of its flexibility with multiple mounting options. Silencer Shop in Austin Texas has really good prices, probably some of the best to be honest. There's a few video reviews on the Saker as well, you really should check it out before you commit to any of them.

Good luck.

 

[gunshinestate]

"If you already have a 30 caliber can en-route I'd get a 5.56/223 can as well for the AR's" - that's pretty much what I was figuring but wanted to run it by y'all.

There's a part of me that still thinks that getting another 30cal can would be a better idea, even if it will live most of its life on a 223 AR. The just-in-case scenario of having another can that would work on both of the rifles seems like an added benefit but if i'm giving something up (in regards to sound/weight) for that benefit, then i'm not sure it's worth it.

I am super excited/anxious to start shooting with the 30BA. The trust/atf stuff going on has me wanting to get the paperwork started sooner than later and figured I may as well focus on getting something for the AR.

I am very interested in getting a can from the SilencerCo/SWR folks for several reasons so I'll be sure to check out the Saker.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

 

[ZombieMonkey]

I personally would get a dedicated 223 can. You get a smaller and lighter package. A titanium 223 can on a 10.5 SBR is awesome and well balanced if you want something compact and maneuverable. (If you like SBRs, everyone should have one though )Once you start shooting with suppressors, you will likely decide that more than 1 in 223 and 30 cal is a smart idea.

And if you have or are going to go the SBR route, keep in mind they do put a little more wear on the cans so you may not want to put some of that excess wear on a .30 cal can you use for a precision rifle. Thankfully a break or flash hider tends to take the brunt of the wear from an SBR. If you ever think about it, look at a muzzle device used on an SBR and you will see what I mean. (Assuming that it's not some tool's safequeen)

 

[ZombieMonkey]

And since you asked, SWR/Silencerco is definitely the one of my favorite ways to go. The products I have owned or played with from them have been great.

Also take a look at the YHM Phantom Titanium can, good can for the money. Obviously you already know about thunderbeast and their good quality.

 

[Strykervet]

I have an SDN6 and I won't go into the mount tirade here again. I will reiterate that they do make a good sounding can.

On my 5.56's, it's a different tone, lower than would be with the 5.56 can. I understand from testing, others say the same, and the measurements they got were only 1dB louder vs. the dedicated 5.56 can. The human ear can't discern the difference between 1dB I understand. So I'd say don't worry about it, a lot of us use .30 cans on 5.56.

And if you have shitty loose AAC 51T mounts like me, 5.56 is safer to fire through that can anyway.

I'll be ordering another .30 can, likely an Elite Iron with their QD mounts (which basically thread onto a brake like it would muzzle threads). I'll use it on everything from 5.56 to 7.62 and everything in between.

I MAY get a dedicated 5.56 can one day just to save wear and tear and to have an extra, but I doubt it unless I get one of those shorty cans.

 

[1slow01z71]

Ill go against the grain and say get a 7.62 specwar first so if you get an AR-10 or want to do fast firing with a bolt gun it will handle it. Titanium cans heat up real fast. Ive got 4 30cal rifle cans and will now order a 5.56. The newer 30 cal cans just don't give up much to the smaller bore ones these days. There isn't a whole lot of weight and size difference but you gain more flexibility with the big bore cans and as stated at least in the case of the specwar it is actually more quiet than its smaller bore counterpart. Ive got a 7.62 specwar coming and I will be ordering the 5.56 as well but that's only because Im no longer big bore can poor.

 

[BoilerUP]

Related question:

Is an adjustable gas block necessary for suppressing a 5.56 AR?

 

[1slow01z71]

No its not. I dont know why so many people have problems with it. Both my mid length gas builds with carbine buffers work great with cheap pmc to hot handloads. My 20" with rifle length gas and rifle buffer works great as well. Thats with my yhm ti phantom 7.62 though.

 

[gunshinestate]

Ill go against the grain and say get a 7.62 specwar first so if you get an AR-10 or want to do fast firing with a bolt gun it will handle it. Titanium cans heat up real fast. Ive got 4 30cal rifle cans and will now order a 5.56. The newer 30 cal cans just don't give up much to the smaller bore ones these days. There isn't a whole lot of weight and size difference but you gain more flexibility with the big bore cans and as stated at least in the case of the specwar it is actually more quiet than its smaller bore counterpart. Ive got a 7.62 specwar coming and I will be ordering the 5.56 as well but that's only because Im no longer big bore can poor.

this pretty much convinced me. I was concerned that I'd be giving something up by going with a bigger bored can when shooting mostly 556 out of it, but the videos that i've seen (mainly from silencershop) show that you're right, there isnt that big of a difference.
I figured that the 30BA covers one end of the spectrum (super light, made for precision) that maybe the Specwar will sit nicely on the other end of the spectrum.

I'm a little concerned about how heavy the Specwar 762 will be on the end of a 16" AR build, but have seen a few users say it doesnt bother them much. Here's to hoping it wont bother me either.

 

[S4599]

My mindset is to get dedicated can per caliber. I understand the whole, "one size fits all" can. When I first started it was .30 cal, .22, and 45. Later on down the road, you'll just end up buying cans for everything anyways. Plus, .30 cals can get a bit heavier and cumbersome versus .223 cans. I know it's probably nitpicking, but it does make a slight difference.

 

[gasdoc09]

My first can was a FA762K (.30) that I used on my AR10s and AR15s.

Later got a FA556-212 (.223). On the AR15s, it doesn't sound any quieter to me, but it is 2.4" shorter and 3oz lighter. It helps keep the SBRs shorter. Later still, got a 556 Mini, which is 1" shorter than the FA556-212 but definitely louder.

I'm glad I got the .223 cans, but honestly you're not missing out on much by using the .30 cal cans on .223.

 

[mdmp5]

Related question:

Is an adjustable gas block necessary for suppressing a 5.56 AR?

I have a Noveske switchblock, which I got for the hell of it. It only really makes a real difference if you are shooting full auto.

 

[1slow01z71]

My mindset is to get dedicated can per caliber. I understand the whole, "one size fits all" can. When I first started it was .30 cal, .22, and 45. Later on down the road, you'll just end up buying cans for everything anyways. Plus, .30 cals can get a bit heavier and cumbersome versus .223 cans. I know it's probably nitpicking, but it does make a slight difference.

A couple of ounces and an inch to two inches is nothing that should keep someome from getting a 30 cal can first. The specwar is 6 ounces heavier and an inch longer than my phantom while it is noticeable it wouldnt keep me from getting one as my first can. Short of the mini 223 cans there isnt a whole lot of difference dedicated 223 and 308 unless youre talking titanium which isnt generally thought as an AR can material.