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More bad news for NY

rhantz

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No real surprise I guess:

High level sources have informed Yellowhammer News that Remington, one of the world’s largest gun manufacturers, will on Monday join Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley in announcing that they are bringing over 2,000 jobs to Alabama.

The company is viewing the move into Alabama as an expansion, but it will likely impact their Ilion, NY plant as well. The New York facility currently employees around 1,200 people. It is expected to stay open, but with a reduced workforce.

“The company is making the move as an expansion of capacity, production and research,” a source told Yellowhammer on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly. “The demand for Remington products has skyrocketed recently, for obvious reasons, so they need to increase their production capacity. They will be expanding their research capabilities with the Alabama plant, too.”

The initial estimated impact on Alabama’s economy will be roughly $87 million.

According to Remington’s website, the company designs, produces and sells sporting goods products for the hunting and shooting sports markets, as well as military, government and law enforcement markets. Founded in 1816 in upstate New York, the Company is one of the nation’s oldest continuously operating manufacturers. Remington is the only U.S. manufacturer of both firearms and ammunition products and one of the largest domestic producers of shotguns and rifles. The Company distributes its products throughout the U.S. and in over 55 foreign countries.

Remington first began considering new locations after the New York legislature passed the Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (SAFE) Act in response to the tragic shootings in Newtown, Conn. In addition to banning magazines that contain more than seven rounds and requiring instant background checks on ammo purchases, the NY SAFE Act broadened the definition of so-called “assault weapons” to include a wide range of guns, including the Bushmaster, which was being manufactured at Remington’s New York plant.

Almost half the states in the country have made pitches to Remington, included Arizona, Oklahoma, Michigan, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. But in the end, the company chose Huntsville, Ala.

The optics could not be worse for New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, who told WCNY radio host Susan Arbetter about a month ago that “extreme conservatives” who are “right-to-life, pro-assault-weapon, anti-gay,” have “no place in the state of New York.”

Gov. Bentley and Alabama House Speaker Mike Hubbard both immediately responded to Cuomo’s comments.

“In Alabama we strongly support and uphold our great U.S. Constitution on which our nation and our states were founded,” Bentley told Yellowhammer. “The Constitution serves to protect individual Freedoms. Among them are those guaranteed in the Second Amendment, which protects the right of the people to keep and bear Arms. We will protect the Freedoms of individuals and welcome any one or any company to Alabama to discover as so many have, that we are a pro-business state filled with good, hardworking people.”

“If he doesn’t want hard working pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment people in his state, we will gladly take them here in Alabama,” Speaker Hubbard added.

It looks like that’s exactly what is happening.
 
Good.

Leave New York and let it go straight to hell...
 
Gun manufacturers need to leave these states. No sense in being where your not wanted


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I think this is a good move for Remington. States that are anti-2a don't deserve the tax recenues


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High Binder
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..." I don't understand the retreat mentality " ?
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I don't understand this ^^ mentality. It's not retreating, it's survival.
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True . Don't fight, it's not worth it and Life is to short . Just move away for the better. Eventually that Pig will stave and feed on itself when the money starts to dry up .
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Why would anyone want to leave this?

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THIS!! This is what 99% of New York State looks like!!!

We hunt. We fish. We raise our kids and go to the Memorial Day parade.

New York City is NOT New York. New York City is another planet, an ugly planet, it's a Bug Planet.

If you think that what you see in Times Square, or Harlem, or Bedford Sty. or Hell's Kitchen or the lower East Side is the real New York you're sadly mistaken.

We Upstaters live in occupied territory. We suffer from the oppression of a corrupt state government empowered by the FSA inhabiting that ulcerated boil at the mouth of the Hudson.

Democracy has been described as two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for lunch. That's what we face here every day.

This is my home; the woods, the fields, the lakes and streams of Upstate New York. The most beautiful place on this planet.

I mean to stay.
 
No it's retreating it's backing down and saying it's ok to take this state. It's loosing ground. Each one that gets taken empowers them to take another

But you're only looking at it from the glass-half-empty perspective. Instead look from the half-full perspective whereas a pro-gun state is gaining business/money/people who are like minded. In other words, yes by Remington leaving NY they're concentrating the NY anti-gun vote but by Remington leaving they're also firming up the base of a pro-gun state and to that end at least in the pro-gun state they'll have a voice where as they are drowned out in NY by the antis and are not going to win any NY battles anytime soon anyway.

Its no different than the reason you live in the U.S. and not Iraq or some other shit hole, i.e. the U.S. is friendly to you whereas you would be an outcast in Iraq. If your existence was being threatened in Upper NY would you not move to a place where you weren't threatened?

Again it's not "retreating" it's survival.
 
Yea but what do you do when there is no place left to run to? How do you survive then?

Half the country (120-150million with 400+million guns) thinks like we do so as like-minded people on either side consolidate new borders will be drawn, that's the history of every nation ever. (Sorry, gotta read between the lines on that one to stay within forum rules.)
 
It's pretty hilarious how many guys think Manhattan is representative of what NYS is actually like.

Actually I lived around New Paltz in the early 70's and know that area quite well. Its beautiful as is the Hudson river Valley...down towards West Point where its over a mile wide. Its just that I find the city so foul it kind of makes me forget the beauty. Ithaca is gorgeous as well. Or the Ashokan reservoir.
 
Dude I don't get you sometimes. In the Connecticut thread you're all about and in support of what is going on over there with the lack of registration and here it seems like you'd rather distance yourself from the issue in order to survive.

Which is it man cause I'm confused? Are you all about civil disobedience and fighting the good fight or would you rather run off in order to fight another day?
 
Actually I lived around New Paltz in the early 70's and know that area quite well. Its beautiful as is the Hudson river Valley...down towards West Point where its over a mile wide. Its just that I find the city so foul it kind of makes me forget the beauty. Ithaca is gorgeous as well. Or the Ashokan reservoir.

Funny because the awe inspiring beauty of the very places you mentioned makes me forget about the vileness of the city.
 
Dude I don't get you sometimes. In the Connecticut thread you're all about and in support of what is going on over there with the lack of registration and here it seems like you'd rather distance yourself from the issue in order to survive.

Which is it man cause I'm confused? Are you all about civil disobedience and fighting the good fight or would you rather run off in order to fight another day?

Good place to use this one:
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Slap, I'm not looking at the two cases any differently. CT people are fighting back the same fashion as Remington is here in this thread. I'm looking at it from a strength in numbers perspective. So in CT you have the vast majority of people not registering and in this thread you have Remington moving to get away from a unfriendly majority. If the CT case was a little different, i.e. only a small minority didn't register then I would be heavily advocating for gun owners to move out of that state. In the interim it looks like CT people stand a chance whereas there's no hope for change in NY.
 
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Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying. The only issue I have with moving away and giving up territory is that just leads to the country being more divided than what it already is. Not sure how much more of that we can stand before something gives.
 
Slap, I'm not looking at the two cases any differently. CT people are fighting back the same fashion as Remington is here in this thread. I'm looking at it from a strength in numbers perspective. So in CT you have the vast majority of people not registering and in this thread you have Remington moving to get away from a unfriendly majority. If the CT case was a little different, i.e. only a small minority didn't register then I would be heavily advocating for gun owners to move out of that state. In the interim it looks like CT people stand a chance whereas there's no hope for change in NY.

You are mistaken High Binder, the only reason why you don't have a registration number from NY is because the law banned publishing those stats. I've little question that the number of guns registered in CT is FAR greater than what's occurred in NY, there are MANY other ways to legally avoid the statute. Modification is what people are doing until we've received judicial remedy, nobody's registering. Take a look at the County map of NY State, it will tell you the REAL story of how motivated folks on our side of the debate truly are. I'm won't deny that's it's an uphill battle, but thinking that "safe" states won't get infected by the grabbers is wishful thinking, the fight will eventually end up on everyone's doorstep.
 

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Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying. The only issue I have with moving away and giving up territory is that just leads to the country being more divided than what it already is. Not sure how much more of that we can stand before something gives.

I think the only reason we haven't see any 'serious' divisions is simply because of how homogeneous we are as a nation. However, like we've been eluding to, as we become more and more culturally consolidated we'll see that change. Nothing lasts forever.
 
I want to welcome Remington to my neighboring state of Alabama.
Beretta just announced it is coming to TN, the Patron State of Shooting Stuff.
 
I'm in the market for around 10 acres for camping/getaway land. While upstate New York is beautiful, close, and affordable...they wont see one cent of my money mixed in with their revenue. I'd rather pay more and travel longer but know my property taxes are going to a state that won't turn on me or tell me I'm not welcome because of my beliefs.
 
No real surprise I guess:

High level sources have informed Yellowhammer News that Remington, one of the world’s largest gun manufacturers, will on Monday join Alabama Gov. Robert Bentley in announcing that they are bringing over 2,000 jobs to Alabama.

The company is viewing the move into Alabama as an expansion, but it will likely impact their Ilion, NY plant as well. The New York facility currently employees around 1,200 people. It is expected to stay open, but with a reduced workforce.
The Great State of Alabama which is Pro Gun, Pro Life, Anti gay, and Very Conservative, (and still does not know how to use cardboard and a Sharpie) Welcomes Remington Arms.

A big "Thank You" from the bottom of my heart, to the voters of NY who had the wisdom to elect such thoughtful, forthright, forward thinking powers to be, within your state.
This on top of the unions loosing the VW vote,... things are looking up. Now if the truckers would stop deliverers to NYC,...
 
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Upstate NY and "Down State" are virtually two different worlds, the hills and open spaces upstate are amazing I agree, I even toyed with the idea of relocating upstate but my commute would be too difficult to maintain.

Personally I think Monday-Thursday NY, Friday-Sunday Vermont might be in my future, and have the family live up there. Less BS, beautiful land, good value and FUAC!
 
This makes me feel better about keeping my "getaway" house in Alabama after I move to Illinois next year.

One thing I was curious about in the press release was the assertion that Remington is the only company making BOTH firearms AND ammunition. What about Winchester?
 
I'm so tired of NY. Born, raised, own my own home, I've traveled & lived around the states and world but home is always home, it's where my family is but I'm just sick & fucking tired of it all. I love the rural living, the country side and small town attitudes but for the love of god......... Between the out of this world ridiculous gun laws & restrictions and the taxes I'm done. I keep telling myself PA is only 7 miles down the road if I really wanted to stay close to family, yeah that's it, seven miles. As soon as I know where I'm going for work when I leave my job down range I'm hammering a for sale sign in the front yard. Done done done.....................
 
I want to welcome Remington to my neighboring state of Alabama.
Beretta just announced it is coming to TN, the Patron State of Shooting Stuff.

If this pattern continues, the yanks will be stuck corn holing each other, while the rebels will be up to their ass in guns and whiskey!
 
I think this sums it all up.....

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Every time a conservative leaves NY, the powers that be in Albany say, "Good riddance, one less vote to worry about."
 
Every time a conservative leaves NY, the powers that be in Albany say, "Good riddance, one less vote to worry about."

True, but it's also one less taxpayer. States like Illinois and NY STATE will never have enough conservatives to out-vote the CITY that drives the politics, but they can lose enough tax revenue to put a pretty big squeeze on the government.

The South has somewhat quietly been attracting the auto industry, an enormous Thyssen Krup steel mill, shipyards, and now the gun industry.
[MENTION=11924]JNel[/MENTION] (and his badass avatar) made reference to the Yanks and Rebs. It's interesting that the South is now becoming the industrial sector of the country, with fair taxes, affordable labor, and permissive government.
 
True, but it's also one less taxpayer. States like Illinois and NY STATE will never have enough conservatives to out-vote the CITY that drives the politics, but they can lose enough tax revenue to put a pretty big squeeze on the government.

The South has somewhat quietly been attracting the auto industry, an enormous Thyssen Krup steel mill, shipyards, and now the gun industry.
[MENTION=11924]JNel[/MENTION] (and his badass avatar) made reference to the Yanks and Rebs. It's interesting that the South is now becoming the industrial sector of the country, with fair taxes, affordable labor, and permissive government.

Not to mention a livable climate.
 
This makes me feel better about keeping my "getaway" house in Alabama after I move to Illinois next year.

One of neighbors finally moved into his TN home after retiring from NY.
He bought the house TWO YEARS ago, and it sat vacant, just waiting for him. Said he couldn't wait to punch the NY state ticket.
 
One of neighbors finally moved into his TN home after retiring from NY.
He bought the house TWO YEARS ago, and it sat vacant, just waiting for him. Said he couldn't wait to punch the NY state ticket.

Yep, one of my "neighbors" was an NYPD guy, who'd bought the house in Alabama and let it set for about 10yrs (he'd visit for a week or so in the winter) just so he could retire to it once he was done. He said that his yearly mortgage/taxes/insurance on the house in my neighborhood was a fraction of just his property taxes in NY.
 
Yeah, but I'm a native of south Louisiana, so "livable climate" was not the first thing that came to visitors' minds in August in New Orleans.

I've been to Alabama in the summer, "livable" is not how I remember it! :)

Its rough, especially the humidity but at least you don't fight 4-12 feet of snow every winter.
 
It's pretty hilarious how many guys think Manhattan is representative of what NYS is actually like.

I have to say that I admit to being guilty of this. The good man Kevin has brought this up to me in the past, and yet I still forget. I'm sure many others do too. It seems that the similarities to NYC is tantamount to Islam. (apparently) They say that not all islamists are bad, and that we must look at the whole picture before painting all with the same brush. Along the same train of thought, they say that not all New Yorkers are bad, and that we must look at the whole populace before condemning all with the same vileness.

I believe I've gotten my point across, but that still does not lead to a productive outcome, does it? And the answer is,,,,,,,,?
 
I've been to Alabama in the summer, "livable" is not how I remember it! :)
June, July, an August are warm, but to not have to pay property taxes after I retired and reached 65yrs old,... I will put up with the extra 50 bucks a month for those months A/C bill. Total,.... heat bill so far this year for the garage and home has been $275.00, and this is the worst winter we have had in 15-17 years. Must be that global warming thing.
 
It's interesting that the South is now becoming the industrial sector of the country, with fair taxes, affordable labor, and permissive government.

Not to mention attracting the folks in said lib-epicenters who despise the liberal/democratic mentality. I sleep well at night knowing I am a recovering yankee. Point is, places like NYC, Chicago, etc. will crumple under their liberal policies and spending. Its only a matter of time before they become the next Detroit.

So I say let all the conservative minded businesses, residents, and politicians leave. Once those places fall the mouth breathers will see there beloved democrats did nothing for them and turn to the Republicans (again see Detroit and there willingness to work with Rand Paul).
 
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Why would anyone want to leave this?

FingerLakes_CanandaiguaLake_fall.jpg


THIS!! This is what 99% of New York State looks like!!!

We hunt. We fish. We raise our kids and go to the Memorial Day parade.

New York City is NOT New York. New York City is another planet, an ugly planet, it's a Bug Planet.

If you think that what you see in Times Square, or Harlem, or Bedford Sty. or Hell's Kitchen or the lower East Side is the real New York you're sadly mistaken.

We Upstaters live in occupied territory. We suffer from the oppression of a corrupt state government empowered by the FSA inhabiting that ulcerated boil at the mouth of the Hudson.

Democracy has been described as two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for lunch. That's what we face here every day.

This is my home; the woods, the fields, the lakes and streams of Upstate New York. The most beautiful place on this planet.

I mean to stay.

This sounds like CA as well! At least we made major moves towards 2A - CCW: 9th circuit ruled on 2/14 that CCW is a right to use for self defense! CA is now becoming a "SHALL ISSUE" STATE. There are several cases in the loop that will eventually lift the AW ban.
For the past 10 years, we have gone from not being able to own a off-roster handgun,AR and AK to now flooding the state with millions of non-roster handguns, non-listed AW AR/AK into the state. We have leveraged social media to drive awareness and one voice in CA. We now have three strong 2A/RKBA entities that is funded by a major source - Calguns.net. I hope other restrivtive states will follow as a core team rather than as a divided one; this is what I have observed in other states - divided.
 
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If this pattern continues, the yanks will be stuck corn holing each other, while the rebels will be up to their ass in guns and whiskey!

Want to bet? Us gun toting, tax producing Yankees will just end up joining you guys down there.
 
Our Supreme Emperor Cuomo cut funding and shut down a program that helped poor families with children that have developmental disabilities. It was a good program and a godsend to working class folks with disabled children.
He shut that down due to "lack of funds"
Yet he just opened a program to provide college degrees for INMATES for nearly double the price.
 
I've been to Alabama in the summer, "livable" is not how I remember it! :)

Yeah, we have two seasons here in Alabama.... Hot/humid and football. The spring, fall and winter months here in North Alabama are some of the best seasons around, but the summer can get a bit stuffy.
 
Yeah, we have two seasons here in Alabama.... Hot/humid and football. The spring, fall and winter months here in North Alabama are some of the best seasons around, but the summer can get a bit stuffy.

We have two seasons in Western NY also. Winter and Construction seasons.
 
It is nice country but they suck you dry any way they can. Now we get to pay for inmate college. Just keeps getting better and better