I have a question that I'm afraid will expose not only some ignorance but lack of experience with these issues. I've been interested in upgrading my long range rifle for quite some time. I looked long and hard at several different rifles but I kept coming back to Surgeon. Their reputation and the quality I've heard about is pretty impressive. Well when I decided I wanted a Surgeon I decided to look around to find the best price. I have made it known to friends as well that I was in the market and I've been offered one by an intermediary, someone I consider a close and dear friend and I'd trust with my life, and have. The gentleman selling it is my concern, the price might be just a little to good to be true, even though from my understanding it's financial issue and he has to sell quickly. My concern is this, if I decide to get this rifle, when I inspect and test fire it, what issues do I need to look for and besides engraving is there anything about it that will let me know it is indeed a Surgeon Rifle. I'm waiting for him to get back with me, the guy supposedly has all the original paperwork as well as his Sniper data book from the day he bought it and I was told he logs meticulously. I've been offered the opportunity to purchase the rifle even though I won't be back in town till the 1st of March and the guy is willing to hold onto it for that long for me.
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If he will send you pics, post them up and let us look over them. If he has all the paperwork, you can call Surgeon with a reference number and they should tell you when it was built and who built it.
If its a caliber that burns out relatively quickly (.243,6mm,6.5,260 or 300WM) see if you can have someone bore scope it to make sure barrel looks equivalent to rounds supposedly fired.
If its a caliber that burns out relatively quickly (.243,6mm,6.5,260 or 300WM) see if you can have someone bore scope it to make sure barrel looks equivalent to rounds supposedly fired.
serial numbers and engravings are the way to go, if it sounds fishy definitely have it bore scoped to verify his round count is close to what they find. Surgeon should be willing to help you verify, they have good customer service.
I know of a brand new Surgeon 260 for sale in Dallas, never been fired. it was bought for a competition and then put in a safe after his deployment schedule changed. PM me if you're interested.
I know of a brand new Surgeon 260 for sale in Dallas, never been fired. it was bought for a competition and then put in a safe after his deployment schedule changed. PM me if you're interested.
^This. You should also get that Surgeon serial number ASAP and give Surgeon a call. My only criticism of Surgeon is their price point, so if you're getting a deal so good that it gives you pause, that's a red flag. Now, what I could imagine is that someone has a custom build on a Surgeon action, and they're trying to pass it off as a Surgeon full house build. They are not the same! Caveat emptor!
Post up pics and we'll help you out.
I'm waiting on pics right now. The borescope is a really good idea. Here are the details I have so far and this is also where I have a big question. It's a Surgeon Scalpel, that just sounds strange, in 6.5 creedmoor. It came with the AI 1.5 chassis in black. He also ordered a McMillan A5 stock. He added the Jewel trigger and the round count I'm being given is 520 rounds. He bought the rifle in 2012. He's including 500 Lapua cartridge cases, some fired only once never more than twice. Its currently topped with a NF 5.5-22x50 NXS optic. He's selling the rifle and both stocks for 4000.00 He will include the optic and the rings for an additional 1450.00. Now, I know about what he would have originally paid for the rifle and then he added the McMillan A5 stock, not sure why. So he's in for this at a minimum of about 5,000, for just the rifle. Am I being paranoid or is a 20% loss in one year too much or could it just be desperation for money. Why would he purchase specifically for this rifle another stock when he could have just added the stock at purchase, he says its a package deal can't have the rifle without the stock. Not that I'm complaining about having a McMillan A5 stock for the rifle. He's also going to give me all of his data he's gathered, different loads he's tried and 5 boxes of whatever bullet he's been reloading with. So all I'd have to do to reload is purchase the dies and plates. Opinions?
Surgeon Scalpels 6.5 creedmoor on their website $5,415
6.5 Creedmoor AX PSR | Surgeon Rifles
The McMillan Stock is another $900
McMillan A5 Adjustable Tactical Fiberglass Stock
the NF scope is another $2,000
http://ads.midwayusa.com/find?userS... 22x50&pmt=e&gclid=CMGu5YDpzrwCFU2t4god_3MAlQ
Now you are at $8,315 before shipping cost of scope and stock (rifle has S&H included)
also EVERY Surgeon Scalpel comes with a Jewell trigger.
now it sounds way more fishy than before...
6.5 Creedmoor AX PSR | Surgeon Rifles
The McMillan Stock is another $900
McMillan A5 Adjustable Tactical Fiberglass Stock
the NF scope is another $2,000
http://ads.midwayusa.com/find?userS... 22x50&pmt=e&gclid=CMGu5YDpzrwCFU2t4god_3MAlQ
Now you are at $8,315 before shipping cost of scope and stock (rifle has S&H included)
also EVERY Surgeon Scalpel comes with a Jewell trigger.
now it sounds way more fishy than before...
As others have mentioned, get some pics and the serial number then call Surgeon. It's hard to say if it's legitimate without seeing the rifle. Only thing out of place I noticed are the 500 pieces of Lapua brass, but Lapua doesn't make 6.5 creedmoor.
Actually the Scalpel does not come with a Jewell trigger, thats an upgrade according to their website. The gun listed also has the AI AX chassis which is also an upgrade. According to Surgeon's website the Scalpel base price is 4355 and the only upgrade he has is the Jewell trigger which is an extra 185.00. The Mcmillan stock I'm unsure of the price on that but I'm guessing 700-800. Now as for the Lapua brass, that one I'll have to take your word for, my only question is, I've seen other Lapua brass for the 6.5x47 and the 260 also the .308. How difficult is it to convert any of the brass for these other calibers to 6.5 creedmoor. I'm not disputing what your saying I'm just curious because I've seen it before myself and I know you can convert .308 brass at least.
CORRECTION::::I transposed some information, He has 500 rounds of brass that has been fired 1 and in some cases 2 times it is not Lapua, it's just whatever he's been using, the 5 boxes of bullets are Lapua, thats what he's been using for reloading. I just got it backwards. Your question made me curious so I reread the email. Thats what I get for doing stuff after working 12 hours when I should be sleeping.
People are tight for money at the moment and the economy is also having problems. You should have a serial number on the action and the barrel should have a builders mark on it. Contact surgeon and they should be able to confirm they built it. Some times things seem to good to be true and they are all good. If you don't feel right about it, just pass on it and order directly from surgeon.
just get the serial and call surgeon for specs. if its legit he will give you the serial.
if its a genuine surgeon chamber the older barrels had the roll mark or chemical etch look "im not a gun smith,thats the only way i know to describe it.. the new ones actually have the letters/#'s machined in and it will say scalpel either way.
also it should shoot tiny little groups and rays of sunshine and awesome should shine out when you open the bolt
if its a genuine surgeon chamber the older barrels had the roll mark or chemical etch look "im not a gun smith,thats the only way i know to describe it.. the new ones actually have the letters/#'s machined in and it will say scalpel either way.
also it should shoot tiny little groups and rays of sunshine and awesome should shine out when you open the bolt
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^^^^ hahahahaha !!! so true especially the rays of sunshine part!!! lol couldn't have said it better J!!!
mark112278
"...someone I consider a close and dear friend and I'd trust with my life, and have. The gentleman selling it is my concern, the price might be just a little to good to be true, even though from my understanding it's financial issue and he has to sell quickly."
mark112278
" ...is a 20% loss in one year too much or could it just be desperation for money."
procovert45
"just get the serial and call surgeon for specs. if its legit he will give you the serial."
First, check the provenance as per procovert45.
Thence, buy with confidence.
My thoughts are that contrary to the Main Stream Media and government propaganda involving skittles and unicorns, the economy is NOT getting better.
A 20% loss is nothing compared to a hard money margin call, foreclosure or some other pressing adversity.
Then there is perhaps the chance for him to turn $6500 into $10K via some other transaction, so his 'loss' is just the cost of doing business.
We are living in very strange economic times.
I think during the next 24 months (or more) we will see many 'opportunities' like this.
This is deflation at work and for someone with money (you) it is a good thing.
"...someone I consider a close and dear friend and I'd trust with my life, and have. The gentleman selling it is my concern, the price might be just a little to good to be true, even though from my understanding it's financial issue and he has to sell quickly."
mark112278
" ...is a 20% loss in one year too much or could it just be desperation for money."
procovert45
"just get the serial and call surgeon for specs. if its legit he will give you the serial."
First, check the provenance as per procovert45.
Thence, buy with confidence.
My thoughts are that contrary to the Main Stream Media and government propaganda involving skittles and unicorns, the economy is NOT getting better.
A 20% loss is nothing compared to a hard money margin call, foreclosure or some other pressing adversity.
Then there is perhaps the chance for him to turn $6500 into $10K via some other transaction, so his 'loss' is just the cost of doing business.
We are living in very strange economic times.
I think during the next 24 months (or more) we will see many 'opportunities' like this.
This is deflation at work and for someone with money (you) it is a good thing.
I thought the same thing.
This was my thought.
People get in binds, or just need to free up money, and not everybody has $4-8000 laying around for a custom rifle. So dropping the price to move it fast is not unheard of.
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This was my thought.
People get in binds, or just need to free up money, and not everybody has $4-8000 laying around for a custom rifle. So dropping the price to move it fast is not unheard of. A
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I'm either having a senior moment or the Internet is pissed at me, what are the dimensions on a 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge. I for the life of me can't find it. I'm trying to make up my mind right now and I want to find out differences between the .260, 6.5x47 and the 6.5 Creedmoor. Also, I was looking at Surgeon's website, do they do custom builds, if I bought one from them and I wanted the 6.5x47 instead of a .260 or 6.5 would they do the build and chamber it for me? Also, opinions...of the 3 rounds I've listed, which ones do you like better and why?
Barrels are consumables. If it is a legit Surgeon, and comes with the spare stock and stuff, then I'd buy it in a heartbeat even with a smoked barrel for that price.
Ok 2 Questions, would it be better if I sent the rifle back to Surgeon to get the barrel replaced, if it did need to be replaced. #2 Is it possible to do a caliber conversion, say from 6.5 Creedmoor to .260, aren't the bolts the same.
Yep to both questions.
4K for that rifle is a killer deal, especially when you take the fact that you'd get an AI, an A5, and about 500.00 worth of Lapua brass too. Even if the barrel is shot out, chamber a new one, and you're still into it for less than what most Surgeons are going for on the board (average price appears to be 5K).
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