2 former Navy SEALs found dead aboard ‘Captain Phillips’ ship

[diverdon]

Americans Dead on 'Captain Phillips' Ship | TIME.com
Mystery: 2 former Navy SEALs found dead aboard ?Captain Phillips? ship | Q13 FOX News

Two American security officers, hired to deter pirates from the Maersk Alabama container ship, have been found dead onboard the vessel, the Seychelles police said Wednesday.
The two former Navy SEALs were discovered Tuesday as the ship moored at the island nation’s capital Port Victoria. A senior director at Maersk said their deaths were not related to the vessel’s operations or their duties as security personnel.
“It’s bizarre,” said Tom Rothrauff, president for Trident Group, the Virginia-based maritime securities services firm the Americans worked for. “Of course, it’s a shock. They’re all great guys. I’m absolutely clueless as to what happened.”

According to police, Jeffrey Reynolds and Mark Kennedy, both 44, were discovered dead by a colleague who went to check on Kennedy late Tuesday afternoon while the ship was moored in Port Victoria. No cause of death was given and an investigation is underway.
A.P. Moller-Maersk said in a statement, “The cause of the death for both men is part of the ongoing investigation, but it was not related to vessel operations or their duties as security personnel.”

This is very odd. Carbon Monoxide?

 

[wilwith1l]

I want to know more about this.

 

[Guest]

Carbon Monoxide would be my best guess.

 

[agbm]

Just pray!!!

 

[Slapchop]

Could be CO poisoning or any of the myriad of deadly gases that could be present aboard these container ships. Could also be some sort of drug overdose. Either way, RIP.

 

[Guest]

2 Americans found dead on Maersk Alabama -- 'Captain Phillips' ship - CNN.com

 

[c1steve]

They could also have been poisoned in a restaurant in town. This will be interesting.

 

[softcock]

They could also have been poisoned in a restaurant in town. This will be interesting.

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poisoning from cargo (maybe) but is odd that no other crew were dead & sick so that dont make sense .
Usually the average total # of crew (master-officers-crew) working international cargo vessel that size is around 19 to 22 . so it is real close working environment . You got a 500-600 ft. vessel but if a crewman is not working then everyone is in pretty close quarters .

Poisoning In-town maybe ?.
but It could have even been (and I hope not) poisoned from from Crew Mess or a single crew member.
aside from the master & officers . Crewman 'mixed nationalities' widely so you never know . lots of n.african/indonesian/philip etc that might have on-shore ties to the haters . good rule to follow, dont get relaxed and Never Ever accept offers of hot tea or eat in the crew mess is a good rule to follow because you Never never Know .
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possible poisoning from cargo . The filled Holds or Containers on-deck . They are usually 'security sealed' so there not going to be opened till they get to the destination and unload . And if it was Grain or somthing elso in the Cargo Holds that maybe was under Fumigation/poison, after loading . It would have been clearly warning marked .
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[Seuss]

Am reading that it's due to heroin overdose.

 

[Guest]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...us-circumstances-no-sign-physical-trauma.html

 

[Slapchop]

Drugs Found On Former Navy SEALs Found Dead On Maersk Alabama - Business Insider

 

[snipe10]

not believing it right now

 

[softcock]

not believing it right now

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Dude you are Not the ONLY ONE

Ok .. I see this released statement on-line now after I do a little searching . They don't come out and say Heroin though .
. but See .. i guess ?, that's what happens, when Apparently your Employer has a . ( No Piss Test Policy ) required for employment working escort armed security on international shipping vessel .
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Drugs found in room with two dead security officers aboard ?Captain Phillips? ship - NY Daily News
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If True ??
That' a pretty relax and detached attitude by professional SO's, to just leave .
quote: --> Police say ... " Drugs and Paraphernalia were strewn throughout the room ".

( To Me ) . I find this, just flatass insane, fucking crazy .
( for those never to frequent freighters) . Those ships looks Big but in actuality, They are small because everyone lives/sleeps in the little rooms on the few levels of small living quarters under the Bridge . The majority mass of floating steel that you see as a Ship, is just there to hold and transport and filled with product .
On the little 5 story building there under the bridge there are other little area/rooms like . officer mess/crew mess/kitchen - crew lounge room/officer lounge room - tally room/suez room/exercise room - laundry - toilets etc. . Then you got the Engine room and mechanical (sub-deck) under it .
Everyone lives real tight and there are a lot of eyes there watching because there is not a lot of anything else there to do out @ sea other than TO, ' Work your posts and Sleep your Contract ' .

It's pretty small world on cargo freighters and there is usually average of between only 19 to maybe 26 total on the manifest working and living together . I REALLY have a hard time digesting this. IT COULD BE TRUE and i have heard some crazy shit in my time, and If that is the case ?, and they were banging Heroin (or whatever drug) everyday, between working there Posts and living interactions, along with with leaving drugs and paraphernalia just strewn about there small room. IMHO , chances are that, ' it could NOT be just an exclusive 2 man club ', for this to be going on .

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[DuneBoer]

Heroin overdoses? I'm calling bullshit on that. Something ain't right. I bet an Indonesian Muslim crew member laced their pogy bait. You don't spend a lifetime of physical fitness, survive BUDS, possibly combat to start mainlining heroin on some rust bucket in port. Bullshit!

 

[Slapchop]

Why am I not surprised that some of you refuse to accept this? Navy Seals aren't the Demi-Gods that some make them out to be. They are mere mortals. Men. And as such they're not infallible to the vices, temptations and sins of man.

Isn't the first time and it won't be the last. If what is being reported is true, they made their choices and paid the price for it. I feel sorry for the families they leave behind.

 

[Cascade_Sherpa]

not believing it right now

Agreed 100%. I'm all about being a pragmatist when the conspiracy theories start to wind up but there is just too much that doesn't add up here. There's got to be some shady backstory to explain how and why two former elite commando's turn up dead on a container ship. What was the real cargo?

 

[sidewaysil80]

Won't belive a couple guys overdosed on heroin...but would have no problem digesting a carbon monoxide story? Alot could of happened since they served in the Navy. I know of a Marine in my old squad that got out and went back to his old life smoking pot. Point is, SEAL's, like Marines or other branches are not infalliable. Of course when they're actively serving some hold themselves to a higher standard or discipline and integrity...but these guys were pushing 45, who knows what lives they lead post service. Not too mention I'm sure drugs run rampant among the crew, it only takes a little too much boose and one bad decision and you could be addicted.

 

[softcock]

Why am I not surprised that some of you refuse to accept this? Navy Seals aren't the Demi-Gods that some make them out to be. They are mere mortals. Men. And as such they're not infallible to the vices, temptations and sins of man.

Isn't the first time and it won't be the last. If what is being reported is true, they made their choices and paid the price for it. I feel sorry for the families they leave behind.

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(To Me) . it Not that they were ex-mil. " DemiGod "... like you say, and I think they be above partying, drinking or getting high . There human and subject to have faults and make bad decisions like anybody else .
But it's possible, It could be just as it appears and is reported in media to be . But it's just @ first glance ' instinctively ' it all sounds suspect . & not just One but both of them found overdosed ?? ' . but Investigators will be crawling over and up everybody's ass on that boat while taking depositions and auditing all paperwork while the whole time that ship is under hold . Sucks to be corp. owner of that boat it will cost them BIG money the whole time it's down.

REALLY , It just does not @ 1st glance smell right because if they were working international vessel as armed escort So's . ( i find it hard to believe ) in such tight working and living conditions on a Freighter there can not be that many blind eyes on a vessel that small not to notice your getting high everyday and with all these Vessels having strict with no exception on all freighters or any other international shipping fleet vessel, No Drug/No Smuggling policy both international & Corp. . along with also once in while there working bumping against on-vessel with uscg/customs etc. going off and on threw secure international Port that are also following MARSEC and bumping against them when working .
Plus @ 1at glance it sounds suspect, Could these Two SO's be that Crazy- Bold- High- Stupid . ? . ya maybe possible but ( you want to believe ) it to the rare exception . Plus I just don't hear or see of many cases like this happening with cargo vessel Officer-Crew and especially professional SO's on working that job level .
also for you to be getting High at your Post everyday on ship . With also said to be so relax as to ..." leave drugs and Paraphernalia strewn about your room ".
On Freighter there is to many eyes on you living and working with, in tight quarters, in a small group of people NOT thinking someone will take notice, see you and squeal on you .
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[BALLISTIC]

Agreed, that this sounds like a coverup. Men of this caliber don't throw their life away so easily, and both of them OD at the same time...? Heroin ODs usually takes years of use, and it's hard to hide recurring Heroin use.

 

[diverdon]

Agreed, that this sounds like a coverup. Men of this caliber don't throw their life away so easily, and both of them OD at the same time...? Heroin ODs usually takes years of use, and it's hard to hide recurring Heroin use.

I have mad respect for seals. Still I can not rule Heroin out. Let us not forget that in the performance of their duties SEAL's (and other warriors) pick up a lot of pains. To get through life they have to figure out how to manage that pain and Heroin is the ultimate pain killer.

 

[Guest]

A lot could of happened

Not singling you out, but I'd like to point out a common mistake in your wording, then we'll move on.
It's not "could of". It's "could have" or the contraction of "could have", which would be "could've".

And FWIW, I agree. Human beings, even those as near superhuman as SEALS, are subject to human frailties and weaknesses.
I would hope the autopsies would either support the accidental overdose theory by showing signs of prolonged drug use, or discount it by showing no evidence of prior use.
Either way, it's a sad deal.

 

[sidewaysil80]

Not singling you out, but I'd like to point out a common mistake in your wording, then we'll move on.
It's not "could of". It's "could have" or the contraction of "could have", which would be "could've".

And FWIW, I agree. Human beings, even those as near superhuman as SEALS, are subject to human frailties and weaknesses.
I would hope the autopsies would either support the accidental overdose theory by showing signs of prolonged drug use, or discount it by showing no evidence of prior use.
Either way, it's a sad deal.

Thanks, thats never been brought to my attention before. (Not sarcastic btw)

 

[StormHorny]

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. but See .. i guess ?, that's what happens, when Apparently your Employer has a . ( No Piss Test Policy ) required for employment working escort armed security on international shipping vessel .
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If I'm not mistaken, Maersk is a US flagged company, which means they fall under the Jones Act for rules and regulations, which means the USCG is involved with inspections of the vessel and crew in order for the ship to sail legally. Now granted, the security team probably was not employed as members of the crew, but as someone who has personal experience in dealing with the USCG on a regular basis, I would find it extremely difficult to believe that they would allow anyone employed in any capacity aboard any US flagged vessel while underway to not have a pre employment drug test, as well as be subjected to random tests. The USCG is crazy overboard in the rules and regulations with merchant vessels. I could write a book of some of the ridiculous things I have seen them put members of my crews through over the years. I have seen them hold members of my crews document renewals hostage for MONTHS because that member had a DUI back in 1968 while they investigated it! The perfect example of why I know about this is look at the cruise ship industry.......how many cruise ships do you see flying US Flags? Exactly.....because they don't fall under US rules and regs that a ship flying the US flagged ships must comply with.....so if they would allow someone to be employed aboard a US flagged ship, especially as a security detail with weapons involved, I would be absolutely shocked.



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[Slapchop]

Agreed, that this sounds like a coverup. Men of this caliber don't throw their life away so easily, and both of them OD at the same time...? Heroin ODs usually takes years of use, and it's hard to hide recurring Heroin use.

Wrong on all levels. Men of all walks of life make bad choices. Special operations soldiers aren't immune. It's very possible that if they were both shooting the same batch of heroin (or whatever substance) taht they would both OD. And it doesn't take "years of use" to OD. Just takes one bad batch of shit or one night of overindulgence. An OD can happen on your first time out or on your 1000th time.

 

[LRShooter101]

First and Foremost, I hope this gets thoroughly investigated, because this is all just speculation at this point.

Second, I hope everyone does not think that anyone in the military is exempt or full proof when it comes to substance abuse, whatever type of abuse it may be. I am not saying that because I am trying to slander anyone or take anything away from anyone, but I am saying it in the hopes that it will raise awareness so the members with problems will be recognized and helped.

If you have been around the Spec Ops Community, especially the "after life" when the members leave service and start their lives/careers outside of the military, then you know that unfortunately many of the members head down the road of substance abuse. Alcohol is the most common, but there are also many who get into many forms of Drug Abuse. If you paid any attention to what went on with the members who served in OEF and OIF, there was no shortage of problems and examples.

Military Contractors Suffer High Rates of PTSD, Study Finds - Drugs.com MedNews

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqKlOVCLZ0w

Prior service members, especially Spec Ops, are some of the worst when it comes to admitting that they have a problem and need help. Those same people are also the best (thanks to their training) at appearing to be 100%, when they are actually falling apart.

The worst case scenarios are when they are separated, alone, and isolated, so please make sure we all do everything we can to keep that from happening. If we all do what we can, hopefully these members can be found and helped.

 

[c1steve]

That is a good post, LRshooter101. I think most likely the stress and injuries resulting from their military service can put anyone into a drug or alcohol dependency. Humans are smart, but their weak point is the emotions.

 

[ZLBubba]

First and Foremost, I hope this gets thoroughly investigated, because this is all just speculation at this point.

Second, I hope everyone does not think that anyone in the military is exempt or full proof when it comes to substance abuse, whatever type of abuse it may be. I am not saying that because I am trying to slander anyone or take anything away from anyone, but I am saying it in the hopes that it will raise awareness so the members with problems will be recognized and helped.

If you have been around the Spec Ops Community, especially the "after life" when the members leave service and start their lives/careers outside of the military, then you know that unfortunately many of the members head down the road of substance abuse. Alcohol is the most common, but there are also many who get into many forms of Drug Abuse. If you paid any attention to what went on with the members who served in OEF and OIF, there was no shortage of problems and examples.

Military Contractors Suffer High Rates of PTSD, Study Finds - Drugs.com MedNews

Brian Ross Investigates: Exclusive: Video Shows Drunk US Defense Contractors - YouTube

Prior service members, especially Spec Ops, are some of the worst when it comes to admitting that they have a problem and need help. Those same people are also the best (thanks to their training) at appearing to be 100%, when they are actually falling apart.

The worst case scenarios are when they are separated, alone, and isolated, so please make sure we all do everything we can to keep that from happening. If we all do what we can, hopefully these members can be found and helped.

You nailed it. Having been a USASOC guy myself, we dealt with just as many alcohol, drug abuse, and family-related issues as any group. I don't have the stats as to whether substance abuse is more, less, or the same as Big Army but the SOF community is not in anyway immune from this. In fact, I'd argue that some of the community has a harder time adjusting because it's so damn hard to find anything like that brotherhood outside of the military. Add to that information that heroin use is rising exponentially with prescription drugs becoming harder to get a hold of, just ask Phillip Seymour Hoffman.

And finally, could we please not jump to a conspiracy theory every time there's a lack of information about a given subject? It makes us look like wackos...

 

[softcock]

If I'm not mistaken, Maersk is a US flagged company, which means they fall under the Jones Act for rules and regulations, which means the USCG is involved with inspections of the vessel and crew in order for the ship to sail legally. Now granted, the security team probably was not employed as members of the crew, but as someone who has personal experience in dealing with the USCG on a regular basis, I would find it extremely difficult to believe that they would allow anyone employed in any capacity aboard any US flagged vessel while underway to not have a pre employment drug test, as well as be subjected to random tests. The USCG is crazy overboard in the rules and regulations with merchant vessels. I could write a book of some of the ridiculous things I have seen them put members of my crews through over the years. I have seen them hold members of my crews document renewals hostage for MONTHS because that member had a DUI back in 1968 while they investigated it! The perfect example of why I know about this is look at the cruise ship industry.......how many cruise ships do you see flying US Flags? Exactly.....because they don't fall under US rules and regs that a ship flying the US flagged ships must comply with.....so if they would allow someone to be employed aboard a US flagged ship, especially as a security detail with weapons involved, I would be absolutely shocked.
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On UA's
There 'Private Sec. Employer', that holds contract for that marine Fleet Co. . Might not have a mandatory UA policy .
I know that sounds funny and not possible, but in the Marine private security industry just because Armed Private SO's are boarding ship in Fed./MARSEC, international Port Facility, Or even at Anchor, and that working under USCG/Customs-DHS . Or working as Armed escort as Priv. armed SO's hired by fleet owners . Both foreign and domestic vessel .
That does not mean there is a mandatory urine analysis Drug Check policy by the Private Sec. Co. that employees them . Or that there is a UA required by Fleet Owners or USCG/customs to hold there Security contracts . it's sounds insane but true .
I am starting to sway other way on this story a little but somethings still dont settle well in my thoughts especially both of them OD @ same time . also with the Insane lax attitude laid on them by the police quote of: ...."leaving drug and paraphernalia strewn about there room ". They might lock there door on there quarters they are staying in . but they dont hold the one and only key that unlocks that door on ship .

( For Me ) It's all just unsettling weird but sometime the hardest thing to see, believe or accept, is right there in my face .
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[marduk185]

my bet is gayness, either homo love triangle ensign grizzard style crime of passion, or maybe they david carradined each other all erotic asphixiation like. just guessing

 

[cav has been]

Now where the fuck did ^^^^^^^^^^ that ooze from?

 

[Slapchop]

my bet is gayness, either homo love triangle ensign grizzard style crime of passion, or maybe they david carradined each other all erotic asphixiation like. just guessing

And here I thought you were only an asshole on the cop threads but here you prove that you're just a prick at life.

 

[Shoottothrill]

my bet is gayness, either homo love triangle ensign grizzard style crime of passion, or maybe they david carradined each other all erotic asphixiation like. just guessing

That's a shitty thing to say about two men that gave to the service of The United States of America. Your a piece of shit.

 

[W54/XM-388]

I guess the big question that is probably impossible to answer, is did they get given a batch of really bad stuff on accident, or on purpose?

It's always a question on how may accidental overdoses were "accidents"

 

[eli polite]

even if they were gay WTF would that have to do with any thing ?

There is a good possibility that the story is just as simple as an overdose. No conspiracy or retarded back story and it very well could have been the first time they tried it or they could have been doing it for years.. I will wait for the rest of the story and go from there. no need to break out the tin foil hat just yet

 

[Slapchop]

This is exactly what I suspected from the beginning barring CO poisoning or a murder/suicide type deal. A simple overdose. Happens all the time to all kinds of people. Yet you have some on here coming up with these far fetched excuses/explanations. They weren't poisoned by the crew, they weren't targeted by their drug dealer, a narwhal didn't rise from the depths to overpower them and shoot them full of drugs. They did it to themselves, they fucked up and now they're dead. I feel sorry mostly for the families that these men left behind.

 

[jrassy]

Both shooting up at the same time doesn't wash, shit scattered around the room, it's a damn shame regardless, I hope they sort this out for these men's families.
RIP.

 

[doctordoctor]

Agreed, that this sounds like a coverup. Men of this caliber don't throw their life away so easily, and both of them OD at the same time...? Heroin ODs usually takes years of use, and it's hard to hide recurring Heroin use.

Well the current tend of heroin is very deadly. The cdc even asked us physicians to prescribe narcan (the reversal agent ) because it's so deadly. So it's very likely drugs are involved.

 

[pawprint2]

Heroin overdoses? I'm calling bullshit on that. Something ain't right. I bet an Indonesian Muslim crew member laced their pogy bait. You don't spend a lifetime of physical fitness, survive BUDS, possibly combat to start mainlining heroin on some rust bucket in port. Bullshit!

Bullshit? If you take a couple of seconds, google EX-Navy SEAL arrested you'll find they are involved in murders, beating people in Las Vegas (with a pipe-later claiming they weren't drunk but someone drugged them) etc., being SEAL qualified in no way makes you above criminal activity-based on historical facts. An autopsy may reveal if these guys were "long time" users, of heroin and/or other drugs. In any case it is a damn shame, SEAL of not, that anyone would succumb to drug use, these weren't 25 year olds, they should have known better...

 

[Tack425]

I'll agree that it takes more Narcan than it used to to wake up drug addicts. When I first started (22yrs ago) we gave .4mg IV and it woke even the hardest users up. The trend of heroin is more and more pure grade and it takes less and less to depress your CNS enough to stop your breathing and soon succumb to asphyxiation.

As others have stated even the best of people even fall to addiction, however this sounds like a cover up to me. If these soldiers are working a high profile boat like the Maersk, wouldn't you think they are smart enough not to just leave "drug paraphernalia" just out in the open? Even dumb ass inmates are smart enough to hide their addictions. Wouldn't you think the SEALs be smart enough to hide the issue IF (big IF) they were using?

I too have had many friends succumb to the call and draw of drugs and or alcohol. I have had several close friends commit suicide in the last 7yrs and we have lost 2 in the line of duty recently. I have seen this first hand, up close, and it sucks on all levels.

In my experience I would tend to think of a toxic atmosphere. Even small amounts of H2S, CO, Anhydrous Ammonia, and whatever is leaking from the containers can displace oxygen, bond to your oxyhemoglobin, or poison your blood extremely quickly, sometimes within 1-2 breaths.

All of it sounds fishy to me.....

Stay safe gentlemen and may god bless these men and their families.

 

[Slapchop]

How do dead men hide drug paraphernalia? If you're in the process of shooting up and you die as a result, how are you going to hide the paraphernalia?

 

[DuneBoer]

Bullshit? If you take a couple of seconds, google EX-Navy SEAL arrested you'll find they are involved in murders, beating people in Las Vegas (with a pipe-later claiming they weren't drunk but someone drugged them) etc., being SEAL qualified in no way makes you above criminal activity-based on historical facts. An autopsy may reveal if these guys were "long time" users, of heroin and/or other drugs. In any case it is a damn shame, SEAL of not, that anyone would succumb to drug use, these weren't 25 year olds, they should have known better...

I realize no one is immune from drug use and especially people in the military, medical and police professions. The tendency is for one of these guys to think "I can handle it." Then get addicted. I know ex SF guys that have gotten in a shit pot full of trouble with this thinking from women to crime. What disturbs me is how everyone is so quick to say "Well it can happen to anyone so that must be it"

Maybe we will find out what happened after the investigation.I am suspicious because of where they were and what they used to do for a living that's all. I am a confirmed skeptic. I am extremely curious to see how much junk they had in their system. If it's a 4 times a lethal dose or some such thing, BULLSHIT!

 

[marduk185]

And here I thought you were only an asshole on the cop threads but here you prove that you're just a prick at life.
That's a shitty thing to say about two men that gave to the service of The United States of America. Your a piece of shit

sorry if i struck a nerve with some ex-seal merc fanboys, but arent my left field speculations just as relevant as the others here...which is to say, not very?
i dare speculate that you know about as much about the mysterious death of these two as you do about me or my pos status,lol.

 

[Tack425]

How do dead men hide drug paraphernalia? If you're in the process of shooting up and you die as a result, how are you going to hide the paraphernalia?

You don't die right away from an overdose. Even lethal injection takes time. The user has some time before the slip in unconsciousness and then stop breathing. Its not like in the movies like MOST believe.

 

[Slapchop]

You don't die right awe from an overdose. The user has time before the slip in unconsciousness and then stop breathing. Its not like in the movies like MOST believe.

I've seen an overdose or two in my life and while you're right that death isn't instantaneous, in some instances unconsciousness occurs within minutes. Out of all of the ODs that I've responded to (one or two) there has always been evidence of the deed laying about in plain sight. Oftentimes the needle is still embedded in the arm. I don't have any personal experience but it's safe to say that during ones last breaths the last thing to come to mind is to sanitize the scene so to speak. But I guess anything is possible. Not really.

Oh and marduk185, point taken but you're still a scumbag.

 

[Tack425]

Slapchop,

Ill agree with you that most don't take the time to sterilize the scene after they use on the few, ok maybe a few hundred, OD's I have responded to. But what I am saying that IF these SEALs are using I would tend to think they were smart enough to hide the fact, especially on a high profile boat like the Maersk. As you said anything is possible....I just hope its not an OD.

 

[VJJPunisher]

I heard reports they both were diabetics and were playing "hide the insulin"

 

[Slapchop]

Slapchop,

Ill agree with you that most don't take the time to sterilize the scene after they use on the few, ok maybe a few hundred, OD's I have responded to. But what I am saying that IF these SEALs are using I would tend to think they were smart enough to hide the fact, especially on a high profile boat like the Maersk. As you said anything is possible....I just hope its not an OD.

If they were pushing heroin I would tend to think that they weren't very smart at all.

 

[VJJPunisher]

Careful now. You don't want to get sued.

Silly as that sounds I wouldn't put anything past those idiots, please delete

 

[latinaincovina]

Stranger things have happened in the SEAL community, wasnt there one that turned from a guy to a girl?

 

[pawprint2]

Slapchop,

Ill agree with you that most don't take the time to sterilize the scene after they use on the few, ok maybe a few hundred, OD's I have responded to. But what I am saying that IF these SEALs are using I would tend to think they were smart enough to hide the fact, especially on a high profile boat like the Maersk. As you said anything is possible....I just hope its not an OD.

The "high profile boat like the Maersk", is a weird statement. As Maersk is a shipping line, not a ship. That is akin to stating a high profile jet liner like The American Air Lines. I believe the name of the ship was the Alabama, Maersk has around 1000 ships. If they(the SEALs) were stupid enough to use drugs, what would make you think they were struck with a flash of sudden brilliance, and decided to hide the "evidence" that was in their own cabins? Maybe Jessie Ventura could do a show "investigating" the "mysterious drug deaths of two former SEAL team members". Just think, all the cops, the coroner, the lab techs, et al would have to be part of the conspiracy to kill these two former SEALs! What could they have been planning (while working for Maersk) that was so dastardly, it required lining up a large group of professionals and convincing them to go along with a double murder? Some times things are just what they appear to be, two 45 year old guys were using drugs, they got ahold of some extra pure Heroin, and they died. Tragic, but to imply that there Must be a Grand Conspiracy to kill these guys, because years ago they were active duty SEALs is stretching the bounds of reasonableness, all without a shred of evidence.