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6.5 SAUM and a Texas Gunsmith

Papagallos

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I was recently told by OG13, "Quit being a fanboy and don't ever fucking drink the Kool-Aid, bitch!!! Things don't seem what they are." As much as we are great friends, I told him, "I can bury the fanboy inclination but I sure as hell want to drink the Kool-Aid!!!

The Kool-Aid in question was the GAP 6.5 4S. It has catapulted into legendary status over the course of a year. What's not to love about it? It's a high performance cartridge that operates within pressures that give you very, very good barrel life. I don't know about you, but I only kill a handful of animals per year. The 6.5 4S can last you many, many hunting seasons. And you can still kill paper and steel targets in-between if you wish to do so, too.

The idea was to use the SPR Surgeon 591, 6mm Creedmoor with the 6.5 4S as a switch barrel setup. I figured the barreled action in a KMW Sentinel was the ideal ticket if one didn't mind hauling a little bit of weight around the brush. I called Surgeon and ordered a WSM bolt, bought a barrel from Grizzly, a mag from Accurate-Mag, and the rest was history. All I had to do now was find a gunsmith. This is where the fanboy comment came into play. OG13 and I, especially OG13, have been good about commissioning projects with fairly "unknown" gunsmiths. As much as I wanted to go with one of several badass builders, which many of you know who I am referring to, I wanted a builder who had a quick turnaround time without sacrificing quality. I was lucky enough to have a conversation with a buyer one day. He purchased an item from me here on the 'Hide (I sell shit often :D ). We got to talking over the phone and it turned out he knew a gunsmith out of Texas that he had been using for all his builds. He had a 6.5 SAUM built by him. They came to establish a great friendship and he highly recommended him. He gave me his contact info and I got in contact with the gunsmith the following day.

His name is Omar Alonzo. He is a gunsmith from Pasadena, Texas. After spending a good amount of time talking to Omar, I was excited. He knew his shit and it was clear he had a passion about accurate rifles. As you may think, OG13 had this to say, "Brother, you are treading dark waters and you are going to get fucked. You truly don't know anything about this guy other than what he and his friend have told you. There isn't much about him on Google either." "For fuck sakes, he's got your name. So he must be good to go, bitch!," I responded. :D

I mailed my 6.5 4S parts to Omar within a few days, and I also shipped a barreled action for him to bed in a T4A; I had full confidence in his ability to produce excellent results. Two weeks later and the bastard sends me tease pictures of groups that he had shot with the 4S. He tested the 130 VLD and 140 Hybrid bullets with Remington brass. They were tiny groups. I was stoked. I showed OG13 the pictures and you would think that he'd be supportive, but nooooo, he wouldn't have it. He said, "He probably shot the groups from 25 yards!"

I ended up taking possession of both rifles a few weeks later since I didn't want Omar shipping them. I met Omar's friend, Keith, in San Antonio to pick them up. We chatted a little while I drooled over Omar's work. Everything about both rifles was flawless. Omar even painted the T4A stock in Sniper Grey and it looked damn sick. Let me say that Keith immediately stated that he wanted to buy the 4S since he already knew it was a laser. I told him, "Never!."

Please refer to GunGasm's comment about "Never say never, Papa, especially you!!!!" :rolleyes:

So I drove home from San Antonio the following morning. I arrived before 0900 hours, made love to my woman, and packed my shit and left to the ranch. Oh yeah, and I had my woman fix breakfast for me before I left. I just roll like that. My new Omar Alonzo 6.5 4S had me feeling like a badass.

Let me say that when I tested the first load and it shot around 1", OG13 was stoked. These were his words, I am not making shit up, "That's fucking awesome!!!! I told you you were going to get fucked by this Omar guy! I am loving it already. Test the next load, you dumbfuck!" I tested the next load and I had the same results. By this time, OG13 was raving like a cheerleader on Speed. The next load that I tested quickly shrunk. The group was easily covered by a dime. OG13 just smiled and said, "I was only dicking you around, brother. It looks like Omar does know his shit!! Great job with giving him the opportunity to prove to us that we don't always have to pay stupid amounts of money to get an accurate rifle. Both rifles are kickass."

So, with that I'll say that I couldn't be happier with the gunsmith from Texas. Omar Alonzo does outstanding work. It was especially refreshing to not pay an arm and a leg for work that I consider high quality. I am not saying that I'll never have another rifle built by anyone but Omar. I still enjoy rifles from different gunsmiths. It's part of the excitement. They are all unique. I am thankful that I have had great experiences with every gunsmith that I have dealt with. Omar is now part of my top rated gunsmiths "tricky bag."

I don't think he'll mind, but this is Omar's contact information,

Omar Alonzo
[email protected]



Here is a link to the test results:

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-hide-reloading-depot/229563-loads-6-5-saum-4s.html


Cheers!!!!!!!! :)


Omar Alonzo 6.5 4S




Accurate Ordnance .260 was originally in a chassis. Omar bedded it and the Defiance DBM in a T4A and also Cerakoted the stock.
 
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Nice looking guns. Glad that you made out well. I shot my 6.5 this weekend in some 17-20 mph winds and it did great. My favorite caliber right now for sure.

And thanks for letting us know that you threw your old lady a bone before going to test your new gun...nice touch
 
So I drove home from San Antonio the following morning. I got home before 0900 hours, made love to my woman, and packed my shit and left to the ranch. Oh yeah, and I had my woman fix breakfast for me before I left. I just roll like that. My new Omar Alonzo 6.5 4S had me feeling like a badass.

Yeah, but did she make you a sammich for the trip to the ranch?
 
Omar 6.5 SAUM

+1 on Omar's ability! Here is a 6.5 he built me earlier this year. Shoots great,and doesn't look to bad either.

6.5 SAUM
Stiller short action
Manner's T5A
Krieger barrel 1-8.5
26" heavy varmint
COAL 2.950
63gr H1000
130 Berger hunting VLD
MV 3220 average
ES 12
 

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I was recently told by OG13, "Quit being a fanboy and don't ever fucking drink the Kool-Aid, bitch!!! Things don't seem what they are." As much as we are great friends, I told him, "I can bury the fanboy inclination but I sure as hell want to drink the Kool-Aid!!!

The Kool-Aid in question was the GAP 6.5 4S. It has catapulted into legendary status over the course of a year. What's not to love about it? It's a high performance cartridge that operates within pressures that give you very, very good barrel life. I don't know about you, but I only kill a handful of animals per year. The 6.5 4S can last you many, many hunting seasons. And you can still kill paper and steel targets in-between if you wish to do so, too.

The idea was to use the SPR Surgeon 591, 6mm Creedmoor with the 6.5 4S as a switch barrel setup. I figured the barreled action in a KMW Sentinel was the ideal ticket if one didn't mind hauling a little bit of weight around the brush. I called Surgeon and ordered a WSM bolt, bought a barrel from Grizzly, a mag from Accurate-Mag, and the rest was history. All I had to do now was find a gunsmith. This is where the fanboy comment came into play. OG13 and I, especially OG13, have been good about commissioning projects with fairly "unknown" gunsmiths. As much as I wanted to go with one of several badass builders, which many of you know who I am referring to, I wanted a builder who had a quick turnaround time without sacrificing quality. I was lucky enough to have a conversation with a buyer one day. He purchased an item from me here on the 'Hide (I sell shit often :D ). We got to talking over the phone and it turned out he knew a gunsmith out of Texas that he had been using for all his builds. He had a 6.5 SAUM built by him. They came to establish a great friendship and he highly recommended him. He gave me his contact info and I got in contact with the gunsmith the following day.

His name is Omar Alonzo. He is a gunsmith from Pasadena, Texas. After spending a good amount of time talking to Omar, I was excited. He knew his shit and it was clearly he had a passion about accurate rifles. As you may think, OG13 had this to say, "Brother, you are treading dark waters and you are going to get fucked. You truly don't know anything about this guy other than what he and his friend have told you. There isn't much about him on Google either." "For fuck sakes, he's got your name. So he must be good to go, bitch!," I responded. :D

I mailed my 6.5 4S parts to Omar within a few days, and I also shipped a barreled action for him to bed in a T4A; I had full confidence in his ability to produce excellent results. Two weeks later and the bastard sends me tease pictures of groups that he had shot with the 4S. He tested the 130 VLD and 140 Hybrid bullets with Remington brass. They were tiny groups. I was stoked. I showed OG13 the pictures and you would think that he'd be supportive, but nooooo, he wouldn't have it. He said, "He probably shot the groups from 25 yards!"

I ended up taking possession of both rifles a few weeks later since I didn't want Omar shipping them. I met Omar's friend, Keith, in San Antonio to pick them up. We chatted a little while I drooled over Omar's work. Everything about both rifles was flawless. Omar even painted the T4A stock in Sniper Grey and it looked damn sick. Let me say that Keith immediately stated that he wanted to buy the 4S from me since he already knew it was a laser. I told him, "Never!."

Please refer to GunGasm's comment about "Never say never, Papa, especially you!!!!"

So I drove home from San Antonio the following morning. I got home before 0900 hours, made love to my woman, and packed my shit and left to the ranch. Oh yeah, and I had my woman fix breakfast for me before I left. I just roll like that. My new Omar Alonzo 6.5 4S had me feeling like a badass.

Let me say that when I tested the first load and it shot around 1", OG13 was stoked. These were his words, I am not making shit up, "That's fucking awesome!!!! I told you you were going to get fucked by this Omar guy! I am loving it already it. Test the next load, you dumbfuck!" I tested the next load and I had the same results. By this time, OG13 was raving like a cheerleader on Speed. The next load that I tested quickly shrunk. The group was easily covered by a dime. OG13 just smiled and said, "I was only dicking you around, brother. It looks like Omar does know his shit!! Great job with giving him the opportunity to prove to us that we don't always have to pay stupid amounts of money to get an accurate rifle. Both rifles are kickass."

So, with that I'll say that I couldn't be happier with the gunsmith from Texas. Omar Alonzo does outstanding work. It was especially refreshing to not pay an arm and a leg for work that I consider high quality. I am not saying that I'll never have another rifle built by anyone but Omar. I still enjoy rifles from different gunsmiths. It's part of the excitement. They are all unique. I am thankful that I have had great experiences with every gunsmith that I have dealt with. Omar is now part of my top rated gunsmiths "tricky bag."

I don't think he'll mind, but this is Omar's contact information,

Omar Alonzo
[email protected]



Here is a link to the testing results:

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-hide-reloading-depot/229563-loads-6-5-saum-4s.html

Cheers!!!!!!!! :)


Omar Alonzo 6.5 4S




Accurate Ordnance .260 was originally in a chassis. Omar bedded it in a T4A and also Cerakoted the stock.

I like the way you roll papa! Very nice!
 
5 shot 100 yards

5 shots 100yards during barrel break-in and with virgin Remington brass. The "flier" was the first shot out of a clean cold bore.
 

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Nice work. Are you going to build another 6.5 saum then?

Omar's friend Keith is the current owner of the rifle. I had to sell it along with other rifles, scopes, etc. as I am currently facing a few setbacks. As soon as things get back on track, I am DEFINITELY building another 4S. Omar will build it. :)
 
I've been begging Keith to sell me the barreled action once he takes possession of it. So far I have been unsuccessful
 
Omar builds a bunch of guns for my friends back in Houston. Keith also owns a lot of builds from Omar including a facking badass .300 Norma Mag!
 
Nice to see another fine gunsmith... Even around the big oil tanks in SE Houston...
Good post Papa
 
I know Omar and shoot at one of the same ranges with him. He is a very nice individual and regularly brings out builds of his to test fire and every one of them that I have seen at the range shoot very well. They also look great. He has had all kind of builds at the range for several diff people and they were all very nice. I had my barrel cut down by him for a 7wsm, took it too him on a Sat and picked it up on Monday. Looked good, shot well and done in an incredibly fast time frame. What else could you want. Thankfully, he only lives about 25-30 up the road from me. I will have something else built buy him soon.
 
Omar's friend Keith is the current owner of the rifle. I had to sell it along with other rifles, scopes, etc. as I am currently facing a few setbacks. As soon as things get back on track, I am DEFINITELY building another 4S. Omar will build it. :)
Papa, Papa, Papa, how can I continue to live vicariously through your builds if you keep selling these bad ass toys. I am sure you will be back in the saddle again soon enough so I look forward to more threads. I hope everything works out for you brother. Holler if you need something, you know I am just a text away.
 
Papa, Papa, Papa, how can I continue to live vicariously through your builds if you keep selling these bad ass toys. I am sure you will be back in the saddle again soon enough so I look forward to more threads. I hope everything works out for you brother. Holler if you need something, you know I am just a text away.

I know you are. Thanks, Brother.
 
Here are some photos from our hunt this weekend. The SAUM did a number on the fallow doe at 400yrds.
 

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+1 for Omar, he builds some badass guns, he's built me 7 guns this year alone and all of them are 3/8's Moa guns or better

Here are the specs for these builds

338 Lapua AI
Defiance Deviant Lapua action
28" Krieger 9.3 twist with fat bastard break
manners t4a stock with modified defiance dbm
jewel triger @ 1lbs
300 hybrids lapua brass at 3.9 coal
106.5 RL 33 at 2970

6.5 Saum with .188 fb reamer
Bat tactical action
26" Krieger 5r 8.5 twist with omar made break
Manners t4a folder with surgeon bottom metal
jewel trigger @ 1 lbs
140 hybrids norma brass at 2.950 60 thou jump at 3080 fps
130 vlds Norma brass at 2.950 running at 3160 fps

6x284
nighthawk SA Pierce action
27" broughton 8 twist
sentinal stock
jewel trigger @ 1lbs
105 hybrids Lapua brass, 2.954 coal
56grs h1000 @3350

260
bat tactical action
28" hv broughton barrel 8 twist
mcm a5 stock badger dbm
139 scenars 2.830 coal
42.3 grs h4350 @ 2850fps

300 norma
bat tactical lapua action
30" krieger 5r 10 twist with thunder beast break
manners t4a stock with accurate mag dbm
230 hybrids 3.6 coal
89 grs RL33 @ 3050


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6.5 Saum
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300 Norma
 

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Here are some groups from my 338 AI during break in these were the first 11 rounds through the gun, last pic is at 750 yards 5 shot group
 

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+1 for Omar, he builds some badass guns, he's built me 7 guns this year alone and all of them are 3/8's Moa guns or better

Here are the specs for these builds

338 Lapua AI
Defiance Deviant Lapua action
28" Krieger 9.3 twist with fat bastard break
manners t4a stock with modified defiance dbm
jewel triger @ 1lbs
300 hybrids lapua brass at 3.9 coal
106.5 RL 33 at 2970

6.5 Saum with .188 fb reamer
Bat tactical action
26" Krieger 5r 8.5 twist with omar made break
Manners t4a folder with surgeon bottom metal
jewel trigger @ 1 lbs
140 hybrids norma brass at 2.950 60 thou jump at 3080 fps
130 vlds Norma brass at 2.950 running at 3160 fps

6x284
nighthawk SA Pierce action
27" broughton 8 twist
sentinal stock
jewel trigger @ 1lbs
105 hybrids Lapua brass, 2.954 coal
56grs h1000 @3350

260
bat tactical action
28" hv broughton barrel 8 twist
mcm a5 stock badger dbm
139 scenars 2.830 coal
42.3 grs h4350 @ 2850fps

300 norma
bat tactical lapua action
30" krieger 5r 10 twist with thunder beast break
manners t4a stock with accurate mag dbm
230 hybrids 3.6 coal
89 grs RL33 @ 3050


Top to bottom
338 Lapua AI
6.5 Saum
6x284
260
300 Norma

Only 7 rifles this year? Show-off! :)
 
Well Papa, you're safe door has to be a little difficult to get shut these days too : )
 
Yea I have some what of a problem, I keep building guns I don't need lol, Papa we need to get together the next time I'm near Laredo, Omar just finished my 300 Norma AI and it's freakin awesome!
 
Hey papa, can you put together some 5, 5 shot groups with your new rifles from Omar? I'm looking for a good smith for my next build but the only way to "sell" me is real consistent precision, if I'm gonna spend thousands of dollars I want the best. Btw nice lookin rifles!
 
[MENTION=93570]Lazer[/MENTION] here is a 5 shot group out of 6.5saum Omar built for me. The gun shoots a lot better then I can. But this is my group with it.
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Scotty, nice group! Can u put 25 shots on one sheet for me ? I have a couple other smiths I'm interested in. Also what does Omar charge per hour ?
 
Hey papa, can you put together some 5, 5 shot groups with your new rifles from Omar? I'm looking for a good smith for my next build but the only way to "sell" me is real consistent precision, if I'm gonna spend thousands of dollars I want the best. Btw nice lookin rifles!

I wish I could help out with that, man. I sold almost every rifle, scope, etc, that I owned, including the SAUM. Even if I did have the SAUM I would not shoot 5, 5 shot groups. It's a waste of time and money, especially since H1000 is very, very difficult to find. Also, the "best" can be extremely subjective.


On a side note, I've shot almost every damn rifle from every damn builder out there, and I am still not a consistent shooter that can produce consistent bughole groups. :D

Omar Alonzo builds rifles that hammer, period.
 
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+1 for Omar building hammers, He also guarantees his guns and if there is an issue with the gun he will stand behind it 100%, the best thing to do is to call him and talk to him personally, He is a stand up guy and a great builder
 
Have seen Omars rifles in action several times and they all hammer. I really look forward on letting him rebarrel my 7WSM to a 6.5 SAUM when it's time.
 
Another endorsement for Omar. Have several he built me and all are stupid accurate. He and I did some load development today on my 6.5 SAUM. Think we found a couple good loads.
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