DTA SRS for PRS ?

[Covertnoob5]

Hey guys, want to make it out to a couple matches. Looking at the guardian matches coming up, but I'm wondering is there a specific reason why there aren't too many people running an SRS in comps vs a traditional bolt? I know previously the 10 round mag was an issue but that seems to have worked itself out. Any opinions would be great. Thanks!



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[pizfiz]

I have run my SRS in 3 matches - hardly a huge sample.

Here is is what I found. The SRS is an extremely accurate platform, so in many stages where the distances get stretched out or you're isolated to one magazine, the SRS is awesome. The biggest issue for me was simply changing magazines. When you're on the move or need to change magazines, the size of the mag well is so slim that it can be difficult to quickly insert a new magazine accurately and smoothly.

There are also some challenges in alternate positions. When shooting weakside, I have to come off the optic to run the bolt. Also, when running the bolt in alternate positions, things can get a little clunky with staying on target. It does take more body motion to run the bull pup bolt just because it is "way back there".

Now, I know for a fact that all of this can be trained up and with the new, well functioning 10 round mags, the SRS can be ran well in a match. It's just a function of whether or not you want to dedicate the practice to learning the system. After running it in those 3 matches, I ran a traditional rifle in the next match and felt my management of the rifle itself was much easier.

So, small sample size and I am not overly experienced, but if I had to choose a rifle SPECIFICALLY for PRS style matches, it would be a traditional design. BUT, I will never get rid of my SRS for a whole other list of reasons.

 

[Covertnoob5]

Thanks for that insight.
Yea I've been practicing mag changes because I felt like that might be something. Weak side shooting I just started trying recently and it's not fun, but hopefully I can train through it. I don't mind dedicating the time needed if most of the issues are trainable, I just didn't want there to be something inherently wrong that would put me at a disadvantage from the get go.


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[Conrad]

I think if you're just starting competitions just run what you have, this being the SRS. You will drop most of your points due to positional shooting and wind. A 10 round mag is enough for a lot of stages. Once you think mag changes and bolt manipulation are holding you back then maybe reconsider? Tyler Fehner has done well with his SRS in the past so maybe he can chime in. I think tit for tat a traditional rifle may have the advantages you sight but the DT can still be competitive. With all of that said I do think there is a business opportunity to offer new skins that have a flared mag well for easier mag insertion on the fly or maybe just a bolt on lip/flare attachment.

Actually looks like a mod like this could be implemented into the existing skin screws around the mag. Just thinkin out loud.

 

[pizfiz]

Conrad - completely agree with you.

 

[Covertnoob5]

I was literally just thinking about the possibility of a flared magwell like on my 1911. I feel like there could be an attachment made instead new skins.
A side question for you guys, I currently have the Covert hand guard on my SRS. Should I switch it to the standard length for PRS to give more room for barricades etc?


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[spife7980]

A side question for you guys, I currently have the Covert hand guard on my SRS. Should I switch it to the standard length for PRS to give more room for barricades etc?

Might not be a bad idea, get the bipod out there a little further and as you said, space for the barricades that wont touch the barrel. I wouldnt buy the full if you only have the covert until you try it and discover the need though.

 

[Conrad]

I kinda think a little more length could be helpful in certain scenarios primarily when shooting standing with fully extended support hand into barricade. Have you played around with your covert on barricades of any kind. Even just a ladder, sawhorse or bench/chair at the house? Might not be a huge issue.

 

[pizfiz]

i have the full length and appreciate it, but certainly not necessary.

 

[coldboremiracle]

I have run my SRS Covert in matches, and while Im no Ty Frehner, I dont feel that the rifle held me back at all. I use the short handguard, and an Atlas bipod, I would just rest the bipod on barricades where the handguard seemed short. I didn't find the mag changes dificult, I think that is just training. But the tens are a must.

 

[Covertnoob5]

I kinda think a little more length could be helpful in certain scenarios primarily when shooting standing with fully extended support hand into barricade. Have you played around with your covert on barricades of any kind. Even just a ladder, sawhorse or bench/chair at the house? Might not be a huge issue.

I do it with a chair at home and it isn't bad. I end up using the trigger guard as a barricade stop.


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[Conrad]

I did a little more practicing with mine off a chair and stool this evening and I think the main difference is you have to either apply more cheek pressure when cycling the bolt or hold the rifle a little more when cycling off a barricade. It has a heavier bolt lift than my T2K (not a real fair comparison, cocking cam force is very low on this rifle) but typically you are able to brace the forend and/or scope against the side of something so that would be plenty to counter the bolt lift.

Trigger guard works good as stop.

 

[Covertnoob5]

Alright well I guess I'll run it this way for a bit and see if I like it or if I need a longer rail.


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[orkan]

You will lose points to guys on the weak side stages... simple as that. Everything else can be trained away, but the weak side shooting forces you up off the rifle during bolt manipulation and that absolutely does and will cost you against guys with traditional rifles.

Other than that, there are a lot of up-sides and not really any down sides to running an SRS. The short OAL is a huge help, as is the weight distribution. 10rnd mags can be a little long in some of the more awkward positions... but that can be trained away.

 

[RicosRevenge]

Agree with Orkan above. The only issues besides my lack of ability I have had shooting my SRS has been running the bolt when shooting off-hand.

As for barricades there is no issue. A Game Changer bag will strap on and balance well. I don't shoot suppressed for matches now because you lose the advantage you have in shoot and move stages due to adding length to the rifle. In tight spaces (in vehicle stages, small window stages, etc...) the DT can really shine.

 

[Covertnoob5]

Agree with Orkan above. The only issues besides my lack of ability I have had shooting my SRS has been running the bolt when shooting off-hand.

As for barricades there is no issue. A Game Changer bag will strap on and balance well. I don't shoot suppressed for matches now because you lose the advantage you have in shoot and move stages due to adding length to the rifle. In tight spaces (in vehicle stages, small window stages, etc...) the DT can really shine.

Thanks for that! Are you running the standard handguard length?


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[RicosRevenge]

Yessir, I am. However, thinking about it; the bag straps to the rifle just in front of the trigger guard so the covert length may not be a problem if a bipod is not installed.

 

[Covertnoob5]

Yessir, I am. However, thinking about it; the bag straps to the rifle just in front of the trigger guard so the covert length may not be a problem if a bipod is not installed.

Yea that's what I'm thinking. The only bag I have right now is the run n gun bag from SAP and I like it a lot. The game changer looks heavy but I saw some videos on it and it really does look great. I might pick up the game changer and see if I can get by with those 2 bags for a bit.
How is the weight of the game changer strapped to the front? You don't feel like it's too heavy for the hand guard?


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[pizfiz]

Check out Armageddon's version of "the game changer". They partnered with Reasor and its supposed to be lighter.

 

[Covertnoob5]

Check out Armageddon's version of "the game changer". They partnered with Reasor and its supposed to be lighter.

I just picked up one of those. It looks pretty promising and looks like it gets very solid. Could help mitigate the lack of real estate since I'm using the Covert hand rail. Hopefully it's not too bad weight wise.


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