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308pirate

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    • Apr 25, 2017
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    #1
    Oh, hear us when we cry to Thee, For those in peril on the sea
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    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/1...aid-in-search-for-argentine-sub-and-crew.html
     
    #4
    308pirate said:
    It can be. I hope those guys are found alive and rescued. And glad to see our Navy stepping up to help. I'm going to bet that the SRDRS and its crew are on standby ready to board a C-17 at North Island NAS.

    When sailors are in distress their nationality is irrelevant.

    You might find this interesting: http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=25000
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    My opinion is that that diver faced a more perilous environment than an astronaut in space.

    Not much room for error in either place but no one in space has ever had it in the back of his mind that some great Leviathan may come and decide to see what his suit tastes like.
     
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    #6
    And yep, loading up (at MCAS Miramar) today ready to deploy to Argentina. Go get 'em guys.



    [video=youtube_share;-F-Ztc2djJ4]https://youtu.be/-F-Ztc2djJ4[/video]
     
    #10
    A ship with sophisticated sidescan sonar trolling the sub's track would be very helpful right about now.

    Those guys left the port of Ushuaia at the very southern tip of Argentina on the 8th. I hope their supplies (and O2) hold out.....it's also cold as fuck down there.
     
    #12
    timesublime said:
    Any updates on this?
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    They haven't been found yet. The weather is dreadful. HMS Protector, the Royal Navy's arctic survey ship, is on station and searching with its sophisticated underwater survey sonars.

    USN P-8 maritime patrol aircraft are on site and part of the search and the USN's submarine rescue system is being loaded aboard a chartered vessel in Argentina to jump in when the sub is found.

    It's a needle in a haystack though, and I fear the ocean bottom is far deeper than the sub's crush depth.

    https://twitter.com/Armada_Arg
     
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    #13
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    Breakdown of all air and maritime assets (green dot: actively searching; purple dot: stand by/available)

    The list in white text on the left edge names all Argentine military assets (airborne and maritime) involved

    Search/ops area in dark blue
     
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    #14
    Sea state yesterday, from the bridge and decks of an Argentine destroyer in the area
    [video]https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/932676333208993792[/video]
     
    #15
    I had a premonition earlier today that brought a chill down my spine.

    I don't think they'll be found alive. May God have mercy and rest their souls

    Los cuarenta y cuatro.
     
    #18
    pmclaine said:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ated-Navy.html

    Located, now the r.ace is on
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    Good God, keep them alive another day or so.

    If we (we meaning all the nations that are working together to save these sailors) pull this off, it will be right up there with the rescue of the Chilean miners a few years ago. I watched those men come out of the ground with a lump in my throat.

    ETA: I see no confirmation of that report on the Armada Argentina Twitter feed nor that of the US Navy......I do hope it's true
     
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    #19
    XTR said:
    Have one for the forty four submariners have joined a lot of others on eternal patrol.

    I was a submariner, they never find us alive.
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    Bro, don't lose hope. I think, if the sub really has been located, that there's still about a day or two's grace period to get the divers and SRS down there. Hell, if they're still conscious and realize that they've been found they could self rescue from 230 ft down.
     
    #21
    Posted to Twitter by the Argentine Navy 2 hrs ago:
    [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/pbs.twimg.com\/profile_images\/923649227502379011\/DxPGyY7T_bigger.jpg"}[/IMG2]Armada Argentina‏ @Armada_Arg 2h2 hours ago
    (…) Se está analizando una anomalía hidroacústica reportada oficialmente por una agencia especializada de Estados Unidos.”

    Translation: We are analyzing a hydroacoustic anomaly officially reported by a specialized agency of the United States.

    and

    [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/pbs.twimg.com\/profile_images\/923649227502379011\/DxPGyY7T_bigger.jpg"}[/IMG2]Armada Argentina‏ @Armada_Arg 2h2 hours ago
    CN Balbi vocero: "En el área de operaciones se encuentra el buque Cabo de Hornos de la Marina de Chile y próximo a arribar el Skandi Patagonia con todo el escuadrón de rescate de submarinos de la Marina Norteamericana (…)

    Translation
    Navy spokesman Capt Balbi" The ship Cabo de Hornos of the Chliean Navy is already in the operations area and soon to arrive will be the vessel Skandi Patagonia with the US Navy's Submarine Rescue Squadron.

    Praying that the sub has indeed been found and that diving will commence forthwith in the morning.
     
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    #24
    Update from 3 hrs ago
    Armada Argentina‏ @Armada_Arg 3h3 hours ago Comunicado oficial de la #ArmadaArgentina sobre el operativo de búsqueda y rescate del #SubmarinoARASanJuan

    Long story short.....US Navy undersea surveillance systems as well as UN nuclear testing monitoring organization reported yesterday that their signal analysis indicated an undersea explosion on Wednesday, Nov 15 evening within 27 km of the submarine's last known position. Argentine Navy units have been searching the area with no positive results as of yet.

    I fear they are gone by now.
     
    #26
    I'm all out of hope. Tonight I'm going to raise a tot of Royal Navy Pusser's Rum to toast the brave 43 men and 1 woman on eternal patrol.

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    #27
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/1...rine-reported-fire-leak-in-final-message.html

    The Argentina submarine that vanished 12 days ago sent a final, desperate message reporting a short-circuiting battery and fire onboard, the Argentine Navy said Monday.

    Enrique Balbi, a spokesman for the Argentine Navy, told reporters that in it the ARA San Juan's last message, the vessel’s captain said water had entered through the snorkel when the sub was charging batteries. He said the water entered through the ventilation system to a battery connection tray in the (sic) prow and “caused a short-circuit and the beginning of a fire, or smoke without flame.
    Balbi said the captain later communicated via satellite phone that the problem had been contained.

    “They had to electrically isolate the battery and continue sailing underwater to Mar del Plata using another battery circuit,” he added.
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    I bet the battery blew the fuck up after they thought they had it under control. What a hell of a way to go.......
     
    #28
    I saw the news report about water entering the snorkel. Then is says " continued sailing underwater". Why would they not surface. I know sub being all secret and shit but lets face it this is the Argentine navy, not the USA, Russian, China, France, Great Britain Navy's.
     
    #29
    2ndamendfan said:
    I saw the news report about water entering the snorkel. Then is says " continued sailing underwater". Why would they not surface. I know sub being all secret and shit but lets face it this is the Argentine navy, not the USA, Russian, China, France, Great Britain Navy's.
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    1. I'm not going to second guess the CO's (a professional submariner) decision to not surface when
    A. I wasn't there
    B. I'm not qualified in submarines

    2. The fact that it's Argentina, and not us, or the Royal Navy, or whoever, is immaterial and the insinuation that goes with it can be more than a little offensive. They were professionals who died doing their duty. That is all. We too have lost submarines due to technical flaws/accidents, in case you don't know or remember.
     
    #30
    308pirate said:
    1. I'm not going to second guess the CO's (a professional submariner) decision to not surface when
    A. I wasn't there
    B. I'm not qualified in submarines

    2. The fact that it's Argentina, and not us, or the Royal Navy, or whoever, is immaterial and the insinuation that goes with it can be more than a little offensive. They were professionals who died doing their duty. That is all. We too have lost submarines due to technical flaws/accidents, in case you don't know or remember.
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    I was not trying to offend. And yes i know about a few subs we have lost. Been to many memorials. We as well as others have lost a lot of people from stupid human error. To the Titanic, to the USS Thresher (SSN-593) the Soviet K-129. Besides all the human caused accidents happen daily.

    It was just an question. Maybe they lost the ability to surface who the fuck knows. Being somewhat naive on a subject (navy operations in this case) should not mean one can not ask questions.

    If you took my question/statement as offensive well to bad that is on you NOT ME. I can't MAKE you feel shit!!

    If you for one second think that I disrespect anyone serving their country anywhere on this planet you're very mistaken and you absolutely do not know nor understand me.

    Once again someone reads the words and does not get the meaning so i will elaborate.

    The fact that it is Argentina was in reference to the belief that the sub is technically inferior to other major countries subs. For one it is still diesel/electric vs nuclear/electric. Diesel has max of 10 days air while it was stated on a report that nuclear can stay under until food runs out since they can make oxygen from sea water.

    Is/was the sub the pride of the fleet, sure. But that does not make it superior just makes it the best they have.

    i would think (admit my naivety) if water gets in a sub (especially causing electrical problems) the best course of action would be to surface. 3 reasons i see not to. Lost the ability to surface. Dont want to give your position away, or surface conditions are to extreme (bad weather). But since you would rather chastise someone for speaking than actually discussing the technical issues. I will do it myself.

    PS. You were not on any of the US Navy ships that have been in accidents this year, but do you not question WTF? Would make you a hypocrite if you question our Navy professionals but not another navy's.
     
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    Id hazard the guess that surfacing would be SOP whenever there is a battery issue and the air quality issues bound to follow.....but those are rough seas, how do those boats do in extreme conditions on the surface?

    Maybe he had to choose the lesser of two evils.
     
    #32
    2ndamendfan said:
    The fact that it is Argentina was in reference to the belief that the sub is technically inferior to other major countries subs. For one it is still diesel/electric vs nuclear/electric. Diesel has max of 10 days air while it was stated on a report that nuclear can stay under until food runs out since they can make oxygen from sea water..
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    It was a German-designed and built submarine. Nothing backwards about it technologically.
    Diesel/electric submarines are not technologically inferior to nuclear submarines. Modern diesel subs are every bit as sophisticated and some ways more, as ours. The German Navy's Type 212A has hydrogen fuel cells in addition to its diesel engines and can stay underwater for three weeks without needing to snorkel to recharge batteries AND is quieter than anything we make. In addition, those same fuel cells can generate O2 as a waste product.
    The max of 10 days of air/oxygen is in context of being trapped on the ocean bottom. I don't know if this particular submarine has the ability to make O2 from water, but since it only takes electricity to do so I'm sure some diesel-electric subs do.
    An American nuclear sub disabled on the ocean bottom with a scrammed reactor is just as fucked as any diesel with a dead/dying battery. So much for our technological "advantage"

    2ndamendfan said:
    i would think (admit my naivety) if water gets in a sub (especially causing electrical problems) the best course of action would be to surface. 3 reasons i see not to. Lost the ability to surface. Dont want to give your position away, or surface conditions are to extreme (bad weather). But since you would rather chastise someone for speaking than actually discussing the technical issues. I will do it myself..
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    As a matter of fact, the seas last week off Argentina were massively high and the weather was a full on south Atlantic storm. Be that as it may, neither you nor I were there to make the call to remain submerged. And neither do you know what orders was the captain under.

    2ndamendfan said:
    PS. You were not on any of the US Navy ships that have been in accidents this year, but do you not question WTF? Would make you a hypocrite if you question our Navy professionals but not another navy's.
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    In case you missed the US Navy collisions megathread, I was highly critical of those ships crews because I KNOW they fucked up. How do I know? Because, as a former Surface Warfare Officer, I was trained and qualified to stand bridge watches on surface ships, and I stood them at all hours of the day and under many different conditions. I was not a submariner, so I'm not going to apply the same level of criticism to something I was not trained and qualified to do.

     
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    308pirate said:
    It was a German-designed and built submarine. Nothing backwards about it technologically.
    Diesel/electric submarines are not technologically inferior to nuclear submarines. Modern diesel subs are every bit as sophisticated and some ways more, as ours. The German Navy's Type 212A has hydrogen fuel cells in addition to its diesel engines and can stay underwater for three weeks without needing to snorkel to recharge batteries AND is quieter than anything we make. In addition, those same fuel cells can generate O2 as a waste product.
    The max of 10 days of air/oxygen is in context of being trapped on the ocean bottom. I don't know if this particular submarine has the ability to make O2 from water, but since it only takes electricity to do so I'm sure some diesel-electric subs do.
    An American nuclear sub disabled on the ocean bottom with a scrammed reactor is just as fucked as any diesel with a dead/dying battery. So much for our technological "advantage"


    As a matter of fact, the seas last week off Argentina were massively high and the weather was a full on south Atlantic storm. Be that as it may, neither you nor I were there to make the call to remain submerged. And neither do you know what orders was the captain under.


    In case you missed the US Navy collisions megathread, I was highly critical of those ships crews because I KNOW they fucked up. How do I know? Because, as a former Surface Warfare Officer, I was trained and qualified to stand bridge watches on surface ships, and I stood them at all hours of the day and under many different conditions. I was not a submariner, so I'm not going to apply the same level of criticism to something I was not trained and qualified to do.
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    It is obvious you would rather berate than educate. like a person giving a 500 S&W to a rookie for their first shot ever. First I know how oxygen is made from seawater. Otherwise at least some good info in your first paragraph.

    Next I know as everyone does the weather/seas were rough hence the water entering the snorkel, DUH. Again I am looking for answers not asshole. Since you obviously don't know, nor can derive a question from my statement then just shut the hell up. A good question that I obviously have to spell out is "what wave size can a submarine handle".

    Next I did not miss the megathread and I would have bet a lot of money you were critical of the US Navy. I did not have time to go back and double check my assumption. You're generally nothing special here and normally don't get a second glance from anyone. So if you think you're worthy of remembering you would be WRONG.

    As I said I will educate myself. Here is some shit you should know. TR-1700 class sub, Built in Germany for Argentina. Originally 6 to be built. 2 in Germany the other 4 by Argentina after watching the first 2 get built in Germany. last 4 never got finished. Built in Germany is not the same as built By Germany. Germans designed and built the Smart car, so don't be so fucking grandiose on "built in germany". They were built to Argentina specs, ( what do you want, how much money do you have). No country other than Argentina ever used the TR-1700. Australia looked at a modified version at one time but picked another design. Actually one of the fasted diesel/electric subs ever made and among the largest built in germany since the end of WWII.

    Now the average human consumes 2905 gallons of air a day. That is approx 20% oxygen inhaled and 15% exhaled. But anything below 15% oxygen concentration in the air causes motor skill and brain function issues down to 6% is fatal in about 40 seconds.

    The TR-1700 has a length of 216 ft and a beam of 24 ft (numbers round to nearest whole number) which with a rice paper hull and absolutely no equipment inside gives it a internal volume of 730966.44 gallons. It has been reported 44 people were on board together in a resting state they would consume 127,820 gallons of air a day. Meaning that even if the sub had absolutely no equipment inside there would only be enough air with an oxygen content above 15% for 5.7 days. Obviously there is a shit ton of equipment on board (I have been on sub before and the mother fuckers are filled to the brim). From what I have seen well more than 50% of space is filled. This would put air supply at 3 days MAX if they could not make oxygen. So 10 days air supply is counting on the batteries to last 7 days.

    May the sailors Rest In Peace.
     
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