Drug use is a personal choice they don't hurt anyone else

[fdkay]

While I lean considerably libertarian, I don't agree with some things they put forward.
https://nypost.com/2017/12/12/mom-dodges-prison-for-being-passed-out-on-drugs-as-son-froze-to-death/

 

[ArmyJerry]

It supports a whole judicial industrial complex that is hell bent on controlling the population and making it comply, whatever the fuk that means. Get rid of the war on Drugs , you get back your freedoms, we get rid of 75% of the cops, and the costs associated with keeping them in donuts and ammo to kill civilians.This keep the population scared and dependent schtick is long past its shelf life.

 

[supercorndogs]

Prosecutors said Basinger’s usage of methamphetamine two days before the child’s death, as well as smoking marijuana the night before, led to the boy’s death.

Anyone who ever smoked some weed knows this statement is half full of shit. If she wasn't a fucking meth head that baby would still be alive.

 

[Rthur]

Yep, another victimless crime.
Obozo released several of these downtrodden folks.

R

 

[EddieNFL]

The next person that leaves a child in a hot vehicle should claim drug use, not their fault. Besides, they've suffered enough.

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

Throw the book at this stupid bitch. They dropped the manslaughter charges, but should have charged her with murder.

 

[Maggot]

It supports a whole judicial industrial complex that is hell bent on controlling the population and making it comply, whatever the fuk that means. Get rid of the war on Drugs , you get back your freedoms, we get rid of 75% of the cops, and the costs associated with keeping them in donuts and ammo to kill civilians.This keep the population scared and dependent schtick is long past its shelf life.

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Prosecutors said Basinger’s usage of methamphetamine two days before the child’s death, as well as smoking marijuana the night before, led to the boy’s death.

Anyone who ever smoked some weed knows this statement is half full of shit. If she wasn't a fucking meth head that baby would still be alive.
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Both of these.

Speed kills.

 

[bluegrasspicker]

"The boy was found dead on March 15 — one day after celebrating his third birthday — after a neighbor called police to report a toddler lying outside on the porch, the Morganton News Herald reports. "


In addition to calling the police it would have been neighborly to actually go help the child...

 

[Mike_Honcho]

Couple thoughts as an Oregonian where 3 significant drug related legal changes have occurred:

A) Pseudophed is no longer available OTC
B) Weed is legal
C) Small amounts of Meth, Cocaine, and Heroin have been decriminalized

Regarding A - the backyard meth brewer is gone. It has been supplanted by Mexican cartel meth, which carries its own (bigger) bag of shit. If you're a non scumbag, and you have a runny nose - you need to pay $, schedule time off and go to the Doc for something that you used to be able to pick up at the market. Same meth addicts, same property crimes.

Regarding B - I can not tell you the litany of issues here. It gets sold to the youth vote and the libertarian / left leaning voter block as 'freedom' - it is anything but. From a John Q public perspective, understand there is a very high percentage of persons that are driving stoned (don't bullshit me with stats on crashes, I'm living it); from an employer standpoint, your applicant pool pisses hot, you have issues getting INS b/c of it, there is an increase in sick days b/c smoking dope exacerbates the symptoms of a cold / flu, then there is the lost productivity from those that perseverate (even when they are not 'high'). From a Marijuana business standpoint (those who produce / process / retail) the laws and associated compliance regs are copious to say the least. Having looked at it seriously from a client perspective, I can tell you without a doubt that you are staring civil asset forfeiture (Real Property) in the face; all the while the State is telling you they aren't going to bat for you against the Feds, the Feds are telling you it is illegal, and everyone in the industry is hanging their hat on the 3 Cole Memos (think of it like a non binding opinion letter from the ATF on a firearms matter - subject to change at the discretion of the director). Let me be exceptionally clear here on this point - the only reason it is 'profitable' is b/c it is leaving the state. I can not emphasize that enough.

Regarding C - this is new and the full effects remain to be seen, however at this point I do not see an upside.

The short version is - none of the above 'fixes' any problem for any of the individuals that use drugs, or those that care about them, or those that depend on them for care. Furthermore, for the rest of us it creates additional problems, higher costs of doing business, and lost productivity.

Regarding the 'Libertarian' viewpoint on drugs - it is a false construct to begin with. Unless we remove all societal protections and benefits from those that choose to do drugs such that every action and every consequence is 100% on them, their actions will always impact others.

Regarding wholesale change to drug laws, that is a non starter once folks get their head around the GDP number associated w/ enforcement.

*I* would sterilize that woman.

 

[EddieNFL]

"The boy was found dead on March 15 — one day after celebrating his third birthday — after a neighbor called police to report a toddler lying outside on the porch, the Morganton News Herald reports. "


In addition to calling the police it would have been neighborly to actually go help the child...

Agreed, but in today's society, you run the risk of a kidnapping or assault accusation. You would most likely be exonerated, but the system still punishes...not to mention the financial aspect.

 

[Rthur]

Couple thoughts as an Oregonian where 3 significant drug related legal changes have occurred:

A) Pseudophed is no longer available OTC
B) Weed is legal
C) Small amounts of Meth, Cocaine, and Heroin have been decriminalized

Regarding A - the backyard meth brewer is gone. It has been supplanted by Mexican cartel meth, which carries its own (bigger) bag of shit. If you're a non scumbag, and you have a runny nose - you need to pay $, schedule time off and go to the Doc for something that you used to be able to pick up at the market. Same meth addicts, same property crimes.

Regarding B - I can not tell you the litany of issues here. It gets sold to the youth vote and the libertarian / left leaning voter block as 'freedom' - it is anything but. From a John Q public perspective, understand there is a very high percentage of persons that are driving stoned (don't bullshit me with stats on crashes, I'm living it); from an employer standpoint, your applicant pool pisses hot, you have issues getting INS b/c of it, there is an increase in sick days b/c smoking dope exacerbates the symptoms of a cold / flu, then there is the lost productivity from those that perseverate (even when they are not 'high'). From a Marijuana business standpoint (those who produce / process / retail) the laws and associated compliance regs are copious to say the least. Having looked at it seriously from a client perspective, I can tell you without a doubt that you are staring civil asset forfeiture (Real Property) in the face; all the while the State is telling you they aren't going to bat for you against the Feds, the Feds are telling you it is illegal, and everyone in the industry is hanging their hat on the 3 Cole Memos (think of it like a non binding opinion letter from the ATF on a firearms matter - subject to change at the discretion of the director). Let me be exceptionally clear here on this point - the only reason it is 'profitable' is b/c it is leaving the state. I can not emphasize that enough.

Regarding C - this is new and the full effects remain to be seen, however at this point I do not see an upside.

The short version is - none of the above 'fixes' any problem for any of the individuals that use drugs, or those that care about them, or those that depend on them for care. Furthermore, for the rest of us it creates additional problems, higher costs of doing business, and lost productivity.

Regarding the 'Libertarian' viewpoint on drugs - it is a false construct to begin with. Unless we remove all societal protections and benefits from those that choose to do drugs such that every action and every consequence is 100% on them, their actions will always impact others.

Regarding wholesale change to drug laws, that is a non starter once folks get their head around the GDP number associated w/ enforcement.

*I* would sterilize that woman.

My experience has been likewise.

R

 

[powdahound76]

Weed doesnt do that?
tell that to the Denver guy who ate some edibles and then killed his wife in a paranoid delusion. Found to not have any major psych issues or other substances in his system.
The weed and THC concentrates these days arent the 4-10% stuff that gives a mellow buzz and the munchies.

Im ok with it being legal like alcohol. It also needs the stigma that its not really ok to use before driving or going to work, or all day.
If you cant function without it, you are no different than an alcoholic or any other substance addict, end of story.

 

[Maggot]

Weed doesnt do that?
tell that to the Denver guy who ate some edibles and then killed his wife in a paranoid delusion. Found to not have any major psych issues or other substances in his system.
The weed and THC concentrates these days arent the 4-10% stuff that gives a mellow buzz and the munchies.

Im ok with it being legal like alcohol. It also needs the stigma that its not really ok to use before driving or going to work, or all day.
If you cant function without it, you are no different than an alcoholic or any other substance addict, end of story.

A fair assesment but....Ive been around all through the 60's, 70's and on and have had many friends who used it regularly. Ive never known or even heard of anyone dieing from weed, and this is a first for me. Not just saying that because I think it should be legal, it just thaat 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the time it promotes exactly the opposite. Calming, laughing, friendly with m unchies and a nap. Some folks I know find it QUITE valuable for many ailments. Some find it does add creatinity...if used wisely, in small amts.

I agree, that used allt the time, except medicinally, orwhen driving or doing dangerous work, its best left for later.

To closre the thought, again, and tis is an honest and personal observaation, its abut .0001% as dangerous as alcohol.

 

[Redmanss]

Decriminalize drugs but ban Narcan and any other treatment for OD'ing. Problem solved shortly.

I've never touched any of the shit, never will. No fucks given about druggies, none whatsoever. It's a personal choice of self destruction, pure and simple.

 

[Maggot]

Decriminalize drugs but ban Narcan and any other treatment for OD'ing. Problem solved shortly.

I've never touched any of the shit, never will. No fucks given about druggies, none whatsoever. It's a personal choice of self destruction, pure and simple.

Alcohol is a very powerful drug, brother. Lets drink some when I get sown your way.

Maggot out

 

[Redmanss]

Alcohol is a very powerful drug, brother. Lets drink some when I get sown your way.

Maggot out

You got it, but you'll probably find I'm pretty boring as I really don't partake much more than splitting a bottle of wine on occasion with my lady these days. Alcohol has gotten insanely overpriced these days.

 

[Maggot]

You got it, but you'll probably find I'm pretty boring as I really don't partake much more than splitting a bottle of wine on occasion with my lady these days. Alcohol has gotten insanely overpriced these days.

I dont care aobut the price so much but rather how it leaves my old head the next morning. A half bottle of vino or one maybe two good shots of bourbon is enough....most of the time.

BTW, did you get to Italy with the gal?

 

[Redmanss]

I dont care aobut the price so much but rather how it leaves my old head the next morning. A half bottle of vino or one maybe two good shots of bourbon is enough....most of the time.

BTW, did you get to Italy with the gal?

You bet we did. Milan, Verona, Vicenza, Venice/Murano, Ravenna, San Marino, Rome, Siena, Florence, Pisa, Rapallo, Como, Turin. I'm still sorting through a half terabyte of pictures.

 

[Strykervet]

Decriminalize drugs but ban Narcan and any other treatment for OD'ing. Problem solved shortly.

I've never touched any of the shit, never will. No fucks given about druggies, none whatsoever. It's a personal choice of self destruction, pure and simple.

That's one of the dumbest things I've heard.

This country used to be what it was because people gave a fuck about strangers, other Americans. You sound like the type that would stop to piss on anyone not in your tax bracket.

Cops were dicks to me as a kid so I guess I should just murder wish all cops too, yeah?

 

[Redmanss]

That's one of the dumbest things I've heard.

This country used to be what it was because people gave a fuck about strangers, other Americans. You sound like the type that would stop to piss on anyone not in your tax bracket.

Cops were dicks to me as a kid so I guess I should just murder wish all cops too, yeah?

What America used to be about was personal accountability and responsibility for one's own actions and decisions, and not getting bailed out of trouble for free time and time again. You look around and you can find those who have been revived by Narcan a dozen or more times, only to OD again the next week. The cost on the citizens of the country is in the billions, and very few of these self destructive individuals are making a contribution to society in any way, shape or form. They give zero fucks about themselves outside of where they're going to get their next fix from at the detriment to whomever they prey on to get the funds to buy it, so why should I give a shit about them? They're criminals and a leech on our people, their communities, their families, and themselves. Top that with the drug based criminal organizations that more resemble terror networks than anything, they are a cancer on the world with few rivals for who are the worst people in existence.

Drug addiction, 99.999% of the time, stems from an individual's decision to become a user. They chose that life, they need to live and at times die as a result of that decision. I won't shed a single tear over them when they do and yes, I've personally dealt with it in my life.

 

[ArmyJerry]

well people cared for them until the government started taking half the income from other people to pay for the stupidity of these "strangers". So fuk them, I care as much for them as they care for me, I feel as bad for them as they feel for me getting half my money stolen by the gubberent to give to these fuk in a holes.

 

[Maggot]

What America used to be about was personal accountability and responsibility for one's own actions and decisions, and not getting bailed out of trouble for free time and time again. You look around and you can find those who have been revived by Narcan a dozen or more times, only to OD again the next week. The cost on the citizens of the country is in the billions, and very few of these self destructive individuals are making a contribution to society in any way, shape or form. They give zero fucks about themselves outside of where they're going to get their next fix from at the detriment to whomever they prey on to get the funds to buy it, so why should I give a shit about them? They're criminals and a leech on our people, their communities, their families, and themselves. Top that with the drug based criminal organizations that more resemble terror networks than anything, they are a cancer on the world with few rivals for who are the worst people in existence.

Drug addiction, 99.999% of the time, stems from an individual's decision to become a user. They chose that life, they need to live and at times die as a result of that decision. I won't shed a single tear over them when they do and yes, I've personally dealt with it in my life.

Good post, I tend to agree and disagree. I think everything but violence or acts that too often end in viloence (like drinking and driving) should be illegal. This is where personal responsibility comes in. You uwant to snort some blow...fine, hang up the car keys, turn on the tv and have fun. Dont go out on the highway or you go to jail.

I think everyone deserves a second chance. Maybe a couple second chances. I have no problem with helping someone whose fallen down get back up...a couple times. If you decide you just must live in the gutter...so be it. But you've got to draw the lline somewhere. Maybe each time you get revived you get a tatto then 3 strikes...You're otta here.

As to the reason for addiction, I think your assesment is a bit thin. Most people dont 'choose' to get addicted. They are in a lot of pain, either psychological or physical, someone offers something that will help, and they make a big wrong decision. It depends on the individual as well. I have no problem with narcotics. I have a prescription for Dilaudid which I treasure above gold, because once in a while, when the pain is too bad, they provide a bit of relief. But I know I cant take them every day or ...zappo ...addiction. On the other hand, I wouldnt smoke a ciggarette for a million bucks. That was my nemisis.

Finally, legalization, would take the criminal element out of it and put a hurting on their wallets. It would cut the prison population, and the associated costs. by 25% and cut down by that amt. on criminal court procedings. And it would provide a tax revenue that could be first aimed at helping them and left over revenue could be used for schools...like the lottery is supposed to.

I posted an article on the repeal of (alcohol) prohibition a couple of weeks ago that showed just how futile prohibition was, and is today. Even the mayor of NYC, Fiorello La Guardia was begging Congress to end prohibition because all it did was create and fund a criminal class. Of course, in my lovely south, it did give rise to ....NASCAR.

 

[fdkay]

Another mother of the year here:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/1...while-burglarizing-house-authorities-say.html