Advantages of 6x47 over 6 Creed.?

[Winny94]

I was all set on a 6 creedmoor barrel, but based on the research and feedback here, there isn't a freebore available from Criterion (where im getting the barrel) that would run hornady factory ammo and the heavies (105 hybrids, 107 smks, 110 smks, 115 DTACs) without running into throat wear issues after several hundred rounds. (FB choices are .109 and .183).

In my head, the biggest pros of the Creed are factory ammo for when I don't have time to reload and factory brass. So if factory ammo is essentailly out, and sizing lapua brass isn't that hard, are there any pros to the x47?

 

[Fig]

I haven’t bought factory ammo in a decade. To me that’s the reason to go with CM. Other than that they’re too close to have a strong (any) opinion about it.

 

[Supersubes]

I was all set on a 6 creedmoor barrel, but based on the research and feedback here, there isn't a freebore available from Criterion (where im getting the barrel) that would run hornady factory ammo and the heavies (105 hybrids, 107 smks, 110 smks, 115 DTACs) without running into throat wear issues after several hundred rounds. (FB choices are .109 and .183).

In my head, the biggest pros of the Creed are factory ammo for when I don't have time to reload and factory brass. So if factory ammo is essentailly out, and sizing lapua brass isn't that hard, are there any pros to the x47?

.183 is the saami freebore, it should eat everything including the 115.

 

[Winny94]

.183 is the saami freebore, it should eat everything including the 115.

Based on what ive been reading on here, the only reason its that long is because hornady factory ammo has a long COAL. It seems the optimum is between .120 & .150. It looks like you have some experience - would you disagree?

 

[Supersubes]

Based on what ive been reading on here, the only reason its that long is because hornady factory ammo has a long COAL. It seems the optimum is between .120 & .150. It looks like you have some experience - would you disagree?

Depends on what you mean by optimum. My personal reamer is .163. Works with everything. I simply shortened the sammi freebore .020, which just doesn’t make that much difference. I run AW mags as well, so I’ve got room to spare.

If there was a drawback to the .183, it might be that certain bullet and magazine combos wouldn’t let you run close to the lands late in the barrels life, because the bullets would begin hitting the magazine at a certain oal. I don’t think this is an issue with most bullets. The 110 sierra would probably be the main problem child. The tangent ogive bullets like the 107 and the 115 dtac would have no problems whatsoever.

 

[Rob01]

Based on what ive been reading on here, the only reason its that long is because hornady factory ammo has a long COAL. It seems the optimum is between .120 & .150. It looks like you have some experience - would you disagree?

No the Hornady COAL is not long. Factory ammo is actually about 2.795" with the 108 ELDs. That is about .020" off the lands with a .183 freebore. Perfect for that round. If you use another bullet or factory ammo you need to find the freebore that will work and allow you to fit in a mag while not intruding too deep into the case capacity.

 

[308pirate]

Read this: http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...r-vs-6-5x47-lapua.6899692/page-2#post-7201684

LOL

 

[Rob01]

Where is the 108 in the neck in factory ammo? Boaytail/body junction?

Tough to get them lined up perfect but the boat tail to body on bullet sits right about at shoulder neck junction. A little optical illusion below as they are the same length but the loaded round tip looks longer as it's higher up off counter.

 

[shooter65]

Zero

 

[b6graham]

Probably gonna gain a bit of barrel life just because of less powder. The 6x47 pushes them fast enough...faster than a 6 BR/Dasher without having to push hard or worry about mag kits. I like my 6XC and dont see myself switching for any reason. Cheap good brass from Norma. Easily tunable. Good velocity. Proven barrel life. I expect the same from a 6x47 based on its performance in 6.5x47

If I wanted to shoot factory on occasion like I do in 6.5 Creed then the 6 Creed is the easy choice here with Hornady and Prime having good options

 

[spife7980]

Probably gonna gain a bit of barrel life just because of less powder. The 6x47 pushes them fast enough...faster than a 6 BR/Dasher without having to push hard or worry about mag kits. I like my 6XC and dont see myself switching for any reason. Cheap good brass from Norma. Easily tunable. Good velocity. Proven barrel life. I expect the same from a 6x47 based on its performance in 6.5x47

If I wanted to shoot factory on occasion like I do in 6.5 Creed then the 6 Creed is the easy choice here with Hornady and Prime having good options

Agreed, 6xc is the best of all worlds aside from factory but I actually saw some loaded for sale somewhere awhile back for the first time.
H4350 is easy sailing around 2980 fps and rl16 will punch the gas up to 3070 in mine.

I do feel tempted to go 6.5 creed though just for brass I don’t care about. My xc brass has been so pampered it hurts me to lose it.

 

[MDStroup]

Probably gonna gain a bit of barrel life just because of less powder. The 6x47 pushes them fast enough...faster than a 6 BR/Dasher without having to push hard or worry about mag kits. I like my 6XC and dont see myself switching for any reason. Cheap good brass from Norma. Easily tunable. Good velocity. Proven barrel life. I expect the same from a 6x47 based on its performance in 6.5x47

If I wanted to shoot factory on occasion like I do in 6.5 Creed then the 6 Creed is the easy choice here with Hornady and Prime having good options

What kind of barrel life do you see from your 6xc?

 

[steve123]

General info.

11 years ago I went 6x47l, my intention was not buying factory ammo and reloading my own ammo so I bought my own custom reamer.

I'm still using the same brass from back then. Gone through 3 rifles and 8 barrels, though I sold two of the rifles with barrels in good shape with low round count. That amounts to about 37 cycles with this brass, and primer pockets, well 99% of them, are holding primers well.

The trick with 6x47L is to have your barrel throated with a long freebore like I did. That doesn't cost much. This reamer has a .208 freebore. It was made specifically for 115's. It could be shorter if you want to shoot 105's which is what I do now. those hybrids don't mind the jump to the lands. I haven't needed to worry about running out of length in the mag.

I've chased speed with 6x47L and have not been nice to any of my barrels. I had one of my best barrels melontied and shot 115 DTACS at 3000 fps in a 26", it lasted just short of 3000 rounds. Worst barrel life was 1500 rounds but that barrel wasn't a good barrel anyway. I got 2400 rounds with my first barrel which was one fantastic barrel.

IMO, I made a very good choice way back then, with no regret. Done lot's of winning with 6x47L too.

As a side note, if I go back to 6x47L in the future, I will experiment with HV100 and N160, with medium loads, because they both burn cooler, cooler than H1000, intending to extend barrel life when practicing or shooting steel. Matches I'll stay with H4831SC which works great with a long throat.

Yesterday the vertical was 3" at 775Y, one big splat. Smaller splat at 500Y. Just a wonderful cartridge that impresses. Current load is 105 hybrid going 3172 fps, out of a 28", last time I chrono'ed. 1500 rounds down this barrel.

I will probably go with a BR based cartridge for my next barrel to try out, just because I want to experiment.

 

[Basher]

General info.

11 years ago I went 6x47l, my intention was not buying factory ammo and reloading my own ammo so I bought my own custom reamer.

I'm still using the same brass from back then. Gone through 3 rifles and 8 barrels, though I sold two of the rifles with barrels in good shape with low round count. That amounts to about 37 cycles with this brass, and primer pockets, well 99% of them, are holding primers well.

The trick with 6x47L is to have your barrel throated with a long freebore like I did. That doesn't cost much. This reamer has a .208 freebore. It was made specifically for 115's. It could be shorter if you want to shoot 105's which is what I do now. those hybrids don't mind the jump to the lands. I haven't needed to worry about running out of length in the mag.

I've chased speed with 6x47L and have not been nice to any of my barrels. I had one of my best barrels melontied and shot 115 DTACS at 3000 fps in a 26", it lasted just short of 3000 rounds. Worst barrel life was 1500 rounds but that barrel wasn't a good barrel anyway. I got 2400 rounds with my first barrel which was one fantastic barrel.

IMO, I made a very good choice way back then, with no regret. Done lot's of winning with 6x47L too.

As a side note, if I go back to 6x47L in the future, I will experiment with HV100 and N160, with medium loads, because they both burn cooler, cooler than H1000, intending to extend barrel life when practicing or shooting steel. Matches I'll stay with H4831SC which works great with a long throat.

Yesterday the vertical was 3" at 775Y, one big splat. Smaller splat at 500Y. Just a wonderful cartridge that impresses. Current load is 105 hybrid going 3172 fps, out of a 28", last time I chrono'ed. 1500 rounds down this barrel.

I will probably go with a BR based cartridge for my next barrel to try out, just because I want to experiment.

I keep reading about melonited barrels, and I'm interested in possibly having one in 6XC done. Who did yours, and what did it cost?

 

[steve123]

I keep reading about melonited barrels, and I'm interested in possibly having one in 6XC done. Who did yours, and what did it cost?

It was about 7 years ago, Phil Hayes did the Smithing, he polished the burrs at the end of the chamber on a virgin barrel then he sent it off to have the meloniting done. I'm unsure of which Co did it. It cost $75 + shipping both ways back then.

The problem with meloniting is if there is a failure somehow (which happens) the barrel has to be scrapped so I never took the chance again.

 

[Campguy308]

That link dumps you right into a convoluted argument. I read about half a page and decided I'd rather go take a shit.

You are right about that. Let me sum that discussion up: You are an idiot if you buy anything but a 6.5 Creedmoor or a 6 Creedmoor. I am all knowing, and you are all wrong for wanting to shoot anything but those cartridges. Duhhh!! sarcasm off

 

[lte82]

I shoot 6x47, but if I were to pick today it would be 6 creedmoor. Native brass from Lapua or Alpha is just easy. That said, I don't think the 6x47 gives up anything performance wise and there is no reason to change. Speed and accuracy wise, it's a wash between the 47, XC, and creedmoor. Pick one, learn it, and practice.

I was all set on a 6 creedmoor barrel, but based on the research and feedback here, there isn't a freebore available from Criterion (where im getting the barrel) that would run hornady factory ammo and the heavies (105 hybrids, 107 smks, 110 smks, 115 DTACs) without running into throat wear issues after several hundred rounds. (FB choices are .109 and .183).

In my head, the biggest pros of the Creed are factory ammo for when I don't have time to reload and factory brass. So if factory ammo is essentailly out, and sizing lapua brass isn't that hard, are there any pros to the x47?

No, not really. I shoot 6x47 and love it, but if I were to have to choose today I'd go 6 creedmoor. You have native brass from a handful of manufacturers and factory ammo. Also, the 115 dtacs have been nothing but great for me and a handful of buddies that I shoot with. The .183 freebore is about perfect for the 108s and 115 dtacs.