My dogs eat tons of veggies. I just always toss them squash and tomatoes that get ugly or old or have a worm in it. They love carrots, grass, mulberries, leaves, apple cores, sweat potatoes, rice, corn, rats, birds, fish, nope...not vegan.....buy their own choice.....
I had to put Rocky the Israeli rescue dog on a green bean diet because he was such a fat little fellow. He lost weight. Mostly green beans with canned dog food to taste.
My dog, a mutt of epic proportions loves food. (The mother was a beautiful and kind Pit. She apparently had two lovers though. One was a German wirehaird pointer, the other a Great Pyrennese)
Doesn't matter much what kind of food it is with the exception of watermelon.
I give her lots of fruit, veggies, brown rice, even pepper jack cheese. She loves it all.
Her natural favorite is any kind of meat.
She also likes beer and wine.
She'll be 7 months old on the 9th.
Weighs 51 pounds as of this morning.
Her brother was 61lbs on the 9th of August...
Doesn't matter much what kind of food it is with the exception of watermelon.
I give her lots of fruit, veggies, brown rice, even pepper jack cheese. She loves it all.
Her natural favorite is any kind of meat.
She also likes beer and wine.
She'll be 7 months old on the 9th.
Weighs 51 pounds as of this morning.
Her brother was 61lbs on the 9th of August...
My wolf pup will jump up and pull the fruit off the trees in the yard. She wont eat them but loves jumping the fence and wrecking the melons before they get ripe. As stated above, given the chance, she and mom prefer:
MEAT.
Fresh meat, old meat, even rotting meat will do.
My ex girlfriend, on the other hand, only liked meat with $100 dollar bills attached. When mine got low she gravitated to another source. Good riddance.
MEAT.
Fresh meat, old meat, even rotting meat will do.
My ex girlfriend, on the other hand, only liked meat with $100 dollar bills attached. When mine got low she gravitated to another source. Good riddance.
Dogs are supposed to eat meat, real meat.
Stupid people think they can project their own Virtue signalling SJW fantasies of life on the animals & assume they will be okay.
If they don't like their dog eating other animals, we could feed their dog some SJWs and make everybody happy.
Stupid people think they can project their own Virtue signalling SJW fantasies of life on the animals & assume they will be okay.
If they don't like their dog eating other animals, we could feed their dog some SJWs and make everybody happy.
Actually dogs are omnivores. You can look it up for yourself.
They require a balanced diet of meat, grains, etc. If all you give your dog is meat, they won't live a long and healthy life. They generally will get thyroid problems as they age which will wreak havoc on their body and organs. If you don't give them meat, it is the same outcome.
We give our Pit and our lab puppy a combination of meat, eggs and vegetables mixed in with their dry food with Omega 3 oil. The Pit is 10 years old and growing better each day. No issues of any kind and great skin and shiny coat.
A vegan dog would be pretty unhealthy but look at vegan humans....no surprise
They require a balanced diet of meat, grains, etc. If all you give your dog is meat, they won't live a long and healthy life. They generally will get thyroid problems as they age which will wreak havoc on their body and organs. If you don't give them meat, it is the same outcome.
We give our Pit and our lab puppy a combination of meat, eggs and vegetables mixed in with their dry food with Omega 3 oil. The Pit is 10 years old and growing better each day. No issues of any kind and great skin and shiny coat.
A vegan dog would be pretty unhealthy but look at vegan humans....no surprise
Dogs like wolves are carnivores they poses a short gastrointestinal tract. Omnivore or herbivore have a longer gastrointestinal tract.
Sure the pet industry has always added grain to dog food to cut cost and increase profit.
My childhood pet would eat all the apples that fell off the tree and chase away the squirrels which started biting all of the unripened apples after she died.
She would definitely eat meat too.
Dogs are omnivores but meat is pretty critical to their diet.
I'm an omnivore too, I've even eaten salad.
She would definitely eat meat too.
Dogs are omnivores but meat is pretty critical to their diet.
I'm an omnivore too, I've even eaten salad.
Nik is correct here, but dogs can be raised on a vegetarian diet. Ive known a couple that were and they seemed to do well. Cats are a different story. they must have meat or they will go blind...something in their eyes needs it. The wolves seem to need it more than dogs.
Yes, grains were introduced to make the food cheaper and to the animals detriment, but the best foods, like Taste of The Wild, contain vegetables, fruits, pro biotics, the omega 3 oils, and other stuff, and its a better diet than the basically all flesh they would get in the wild. They need certain things that come in the plants. Ever seen your dog eat grass until it throws up?
Taste of the wild is what our dog gets. She thinks it's a treat, not just dinner
Are ya'll familiar with www.chewy.com ?
You can order online and have it shipped to your door cheaper than you can buy it locally...un less youre getting one hell of a price.
We get it pretty cheap from the local shop.
It's called Dog-gone Holistic.
They've got a T-shirt they sell, it says
"My dog eats better than I do".
We're have ordered things from chewy though. They have pretty good prices.
It's called Dog-gone Holistic.
They've got a T-shirt they sell, it says
"My dog eats better than I do".
We're have ordered things from chewy though. They have pretty good prices.
Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle.
Apparently Rebecca switched her food to slow the puppy bone growth.
She said that they told her Taste of the Wild would cause rapid bone growth and might cause her problems.
So, she switched to Zignature brand until the pup is a year old.
How about that shit? I didn't even know...
Apparently Rebecca switched her food to slow the puppy bone growth.
She said that they told her Taste of the Wild would cause rapid bone growth and might cause her problems.
So, she switched to Zignature brand until the pup is a year old.
How about that shit? I didn't even know...
I highly recommend Canidae Grain Free. My dog stopped farting almost completely, and her coat is much healthier.
I buy from Big R, $52 per 24lb bag out the door using their Military/veteran Monday promo. Beats Amazon by almost $10 a bag.
EDiT: that Big R price beats chewy as well from what a quick search turned up.
Gratuitous dog photo...
I buy from Big R, $52 per 24lb bag out the door using their Military/veteran Monday promo. Beats Amazon by almost $10 a bag.
EDiT: that Big R price beats chewy as well from what a quick search turned up.
Gratuitous dog photo...
The high quality grain free foods are so much better for them.
Cherry rarely gets the farts and I'm super thankful for that.
Her coat is great except for around her muzzle. Her face is clean for about an hour after a bath, then she slobbers it and the kitchen floor all to hell. Oh well.
Cherry rarely gets the farts and I'm super thankful for that.
Her coat is great except for around her muzzle. Her face is clean for about an hour after a bath, then she slobbers it and the kitchen floor all to hell. Oh well.
I tend to defer to the scientists on subjects such as this. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5035952/
Much of what a particular animal will need will depend on the breed and that animal's upbringing as well. Most domesticated dogs are true omnivores, producing amylase in their saliva to begin the breakdown of carbs and all. Others that are closer to the wolf, who are true carnivores, will respond poorly to an omnivore diet. While some wolves are known to eat grains in the wild, the same can be said for Haitians eating dirt (yes real dirt), just to put something in their stomach.
It is pretty much animal cruelty to attempt to put a dog on a vegan diet, same goes for putting a child on vegan. As much as ignoring biology seems to be the trendy thing these days, it will only lead to health problems and an early grave.
Much of what a particular animal will need will depend on the breed and that animal's upbringing as well. Most domesticated dogs are true omnivores, producing amylase in their saliva to begin the breakdown of carbs and all. Others that are closer to the wolf, who are true carnivores, will respond poorly to an omnivore diet. While some wolves are known to eat grains in the wild, the same can be said for Haitians eating dirt (yes real dirt), just to put something in their stomach.
It is pretty much animal cruelty to attempt to put a dog on a vegan diet, same goes for putting a child on vegan. As much as ignoring biology seems to be the trendy thing these days, it will only lead to health problems and an early grave.
Interesting read, though I mostly skimmed it.
One thing it got right on is this. Animal farming IS hazardous to the environment. Heres some interesting statistics, which I read years ago and cannot find the reference, so my numbers may be a bit off, but in the right direction. On one acre of land you can raise enough meat to reed aobut 4 people for a year. On that same acre you can feed 60 on a plant based diet and 200 on a purely fruit based diet. I takes roughly 10 pounds of grain and 200 gallons of water to make one pound of meat. That one pound of meat will feed one person for a day while the 10 pounds of grain will feed 4 for a week. Additionally, apart form purely organic gardening, raising all that grain puts literally tons of bio hazardous materials like nitrates and phosphates into the water system where it promotes un healthy levels of plant growth. Animal husbandry is NOT good for our planet.
As I mentioned above I feed Taste of the Wild, but add in meat that I buy just out of date at a great discount, and in the fall stock the freezer with left over venison scraps I get from the local processor. Interestingly, the wolves will let me pet them while eating kibble, chicken, or beef, but when the venison hits the bowl if I get to close the snarling starts and I have learned to leave them the fuck alone.
Or watermelon is a hoot to watch them eat.
That was a pretty interesting article. I didn't realize dogs were less omnivorous than I thought. Makes sense. I had to show them to eat squash. I didn't have to show them to eat animals. Makes me wonder, why coyotes like to eat cow pies so much. I have seen coyotes that were big and healthy, and the sign showed they were eating a lot of corn. At the height of our doubt a few years back, there were ares they seemed to be living mostly on prickly pears. The crafty fuckers will eat a bunch of what ever is abundant.
There are some crazies out there doing different things on a farm.
That was a pretty interesting article. I didn't realize dogs were less omnivorous than I thought. Makes sense. I had to show them to eat squash. I didn't have to show them to eat animals. Makes me wonder, why coyotes like to eat cow pies so much. I have seen coyotes that were big and healthy, and the sign showed they were eating a lot of corn. At the height of our doubt a few years back, there were ares they seemed to be living mostly on prickly pears. The crafty fuckers will eat a bunch of what ever is abundant.
There are some crazies out there doing different things on a farm.
My little terrier mix, persistent and effective beggar that she is, basically ate whatever we ate for most of her life. Dog food, too, mostly grocery store brand soft food, but the biggest part of her diet was people food. She’s 19 now and in the condition you would expect — blind, def, etc — but she can still run (out in the open where there’s nothing to run into) and her organs are in good shape. Her diet is more strict to keep her from having the squirts everywhere tho.
I think the expensive dog food thing, like many other things when people have means, is a bit overblown. We (pet owners) love them, especially when there aren’t human children in the picture and those parenting instincts are instead directed at the animal, and so we don’t mind shelling out a fortune for the high end grub.
But it’s probably unnecessary.
I think the expensive dog food thing, like many other things when people have means, is a bit overblown. We (pet owners) love them, especially when there aren’t human children in the picture and those parenting instincts are instead directed at the animal, and so we don’t mind shelling out a fortune for the high end grub.
But it’s probably unnecessary.
Maggot,
Animal husbandry isn’t necessary bad for the environment. To be technically correct. It’s industrialized farming that’s bad, because it’s essentially a mining operation. I’ve been in agriculture over 15yrs now.
The real problem is bad stewardship of our natural resources. Texas has millions of wild boars running around destroying everything, but they simply refuse to reintroduce wolves. We also have terrible soil conditions for most of plains in North America. Since millions of Buffalo were essentially eradicated for various reasons.
Good luck trying to get buffalo back roaming again. Last year they had a draw to hunt them in the Grand Canyon, because they were “destroying the environment.” Even though it was barely a few thousand in their natural environment.
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Anyways, next we’ll see what’s coming.
I wouldn’t feed dogs cheese though. My pit bull is 12yrs old, and most people think she’s six. Need to feed her more eggs, fish, and meat though. Perhaps I’ll hunt jack rabbit so she can eat it this winter.
Also, dogs are definitely omnivores. Cats are true carnivores. Look how many hours those fuckers sleep. They need to rest that much just to digest the protein, and they have shorter digestive tracts than dogs.
Animal husbandry isn’t necessary bad for the environment. To be technically correct. It’s industrialized farming that’s bad, because it’s essentially a mining operation. I’ve been in agriculture over 15yrs now.
The real problem is bad stewardship of our natural resources. Texas has millions of wild boars running around destroying everything, but they simply refuse to reintroduce wolves. We also have terrible soil conditions for most of plains in North America. Since millions of Buffalo were essentially eradicated for various reasons.
Good luck trying to get buffalo back roaming again. Last year they had a draw to hunt them in the Grand Canyon, because they were “destroying the environment.” Even though it was barely a few thousand in their natural environment.
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Anyways, next we’ll see what’s coming.
I wouldn’t feed dogs cheese though. My pit bull is 12yrs old, and most people think she’s six. Need to feed her more eggs, fish, and meat though. Perhaps I’ll hunt jack rabbit so she can eat it this winter.
Also, dogs are definitely omnivores. Cats are true carnivores. Look how many hours those fuckers sleep. They need to rest that much just to digest the protein, and they have shorter digestive tracts than dogs.
You got that right. I was referring to the commercial abuse of animals like chickens 3 to a cage stacked 8 high so they shit on each other and are fed mostly antibiotic lace food to keep them alive, or the hog farming like they do in NC. Or cattle being fed Portland cement to plug them up so they gain water weight for weighing.
Yep, a few wolves would reduce the feral hog population but the ranchers have a shit fit because they might lose the occasional calf. Fucking greed is all it comes down to. There are places in Texas, west of Austin, where there are so many deer the populations have become dwarfed due to inbreeding.
Maggot,
This discussion is probably way off topic now, but you see the similar thinking for plant agriculture. I’m seeing new housing pop up all over the place on previous farm land. Basically, they killed off the pollinators, snakes, scorpions, and even coyotes (amazing considering how hardy they are). Harvest wheat, alfalfa, citrus, lettuce, onions, watermelons, or whatever for decades on end. Once the soil is completely depleted. They build housing on top of it.
Then we get tons of urbanites from Los Ángeles, New York, and Chicago coming to capitalize on the cheap housing. Despite the fact desert environments can’t sustainably have large populations. Especially with the water shortages we’re having supplying Phoenix, Los Ángeles, Las Vegas, and Tuscan. We used to have better rivers do to beavers, but they were eradicated at the turn of the 20th century.
Of course none of these things are pressing issues. The solution of course is to have soy boy vegan brigades with “renewable” energy to save the planet. It’s total insanity. The elites of modern society are creating the problems, and then create false solutions to scape goat their actions. This ship is heading to one huge societal collapse.
This discussion is probably way off topic now, but you see the similar thinking for plant agriculture. I’m seeing new housing pop up all over the place on previous farm land. Basically, they killed off the pollinators, snakes, scorpions, and even coyotes (amazing considering how hardy they are). Harvest wheat, alfalfa, citrus, lettuce, onions, watermelons, or whatever for decades on end. Once the soil is completely depleted. They build housing on top of it.
Then we get tons of urbanites from Los Ángeles, New York, and Chicago coming to capitalize on the cheap housing. Despite the fact desert environments can’t sustainably have large populations. Especially with the water shortages we’re having supplying Phoenix, Los Ángeles, Las Vegas, and Tuscan. We used to have better rivers do to beavers, but they were eradicated at the turn of the 20th century.
Of course none of these things are pressing issues. The solution of course is to have soy boy vegan brigades with “renewable” energy to save the planet. It’s total insanity. The elites of modern society are creating the problems, and then create false solutions to scape goat their actions. This ship is heading to one huge societal collapse.
Sorry, but it doesn't matter what goes into the bowl. If you trigger reactive behavior at chow time, you've failed in your training or the dog has had less than stellar care somewhere along the line... Unless by wolves, you're not being cute, and mean actual fucking wolves. If that's the case, then you either have some massive stones... or are not very attached to your hands.
Edit: Slightly less off-topic, I've been feeding my dog mostly Merrick; sometimes I'll feed him chicken, rice, veggies, cooked eggs, or fish to keep some variety in the mix. Cant imagine trying to keep up his energy or metabolism with a vegan diet without severe weight loss or lethargy.
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Maggot means actual wolves. The big snarly type that eat sheep
To be 100% truthful mine are only about 65% wolf and both of mine female, a mother and here black phase daughter. Thats really all you want for a companion animal, and even that is a lot. They are so damn independent and escape artists to the max. Much faster and stronger than a dog of comparable size. Ive seen the mother put a German shepherd 20-30 pounds heavier on its back in a split second. She even backed down a larger Malinois.
I had to get rid of the male because he was just too rough, and nope is right, I wouldnt fuck with him when eating. You could very easily lose a hand.
If youve got the place, and time, and it takes a lot of time, they are really something to behold. Id have trouble going back to a dog.
I always wanted a wolf mixed breed, but decided against it. It’s a real luck of the draw when you get them. You’re combining the killer instinct of a wolf with the aggression of a dog, and less control by the owner/people as well. . Which can make things even more difficult.
Then you have the two sides of their nature pulling at their psyche. It really does take very special care own one of them, and I’d argue against breeding them for that reason. Of course we all already have them so proceed with caution if you decide on it. I’ll stick with domestic breeds. It’s better for the animals mental health.
Then you have the two sides of their nature pulling at their psyche. It really does take very special care own one of them, and I’d argue against breeding them for that reason. Of course we all already have them so proceed with caution if you decide on it. I’ll stick with domestic breeds. It’s better for the animals mental health.
I'd say it's probably a bit of temperament/history/training and what they are used to eating, as well as how you present the food. In addition to the type of breed.
I do the hunting hounds type such as the Rhodesian Ridgebacks raised as human friendly, indoor/outdoor animals that are still chase driven, and on mine they prefer to be hand fed meat strips but will slum with eating it off a surface if needed. They haven't ever had to worry about food shortages or competing for food so they are good with me sticking my hand all the way in their mouth basically. They just wait till I leave it in their mouths.
However sometimes with guests feeding them the same things, if the guests are a bit more nervous and jumpy and hesitant about handing them meat strips the dogs get a little bit more snappy like they feel they need to snatch it before it gets pulled back, then the next piece me or someone else can just reach in and lay the meat in their mouths.
At work sometimes other people bring their dogs some they bought but, mostly rescue, and I noticed on several of the more skiddish ones, when you tossed over normal treats, they were a bit shy and later on would take them from your hand if they felt comfortable, but those same ones when offered a piece of meat got really snappy (not mean, but just very snappy) and you have to give it a little toss.
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You've got some serious commitment. I've been around just one wolf-mix for the lesser part of an afternoon. I have no idea what the ratio of the mix was but she had a presence for sure- being used to "dogs" I'm not going to lie, her independence made me a bit uncomfortable at first but I really do see how if you knew what you're doing you wouldn't want a dog as a companion ever again.
If you don't mid me asking, how did you start? Or what was your introduction into deciding that you wanted to have wolf?
Like most of my life, it was unusual. I was on my way to California to visit an old friend and started having dreams about wolves. When I got to his pace in the mountains of NorCal he took me to a friends house who had a near full blooded Northern Timberwolf, a huge beast. I was sitting on the deck drinking a beer and it came over and offered me its paw. The owner almost had a fit and ssid it has never done that before...they just dont take to strangers. On my way back I stopped in Colorado and damn if I didnt run into a girl who raised them an had a whole pack. So I get home and there on Craigslist is an add for a mated pair of ...you guessed it, wolves. Seems the owner was killed in a car wreck and the wife couldnt deal with them so they were going to be put down. I took them and its history from there. I was really not prepared. The female, Nikita, is quite an athlete, can go over a 6' fence like the wind. So the first year was just getting containment. Then she had 7 pups which I sold for $500 each. I had to found a new home for the male because we just didnt get along and he was over sexed. She would get him worked up and he'd let her have it when she wasnt in heat. She'd bleed for a couple of days and be sick. Ive never heard of that happening before. So I found a good home for him (took 3 tries, the first two brought him back, didnt want a refund, just take him) and he's doing well. Second litter was 9 pups. I think thats it for her. I kept one of the pups, the black phase female in the photo to the left and will breed her this year. They are a handful, but once they accept you really affectionate. They'll get in your lap for a belly rub.
Dogs are omnivores, so are the rest of the canine species. Cats/felines are true carnivores, they must have taurine which is an essential amino acid in their diet. I have read an older study that 70% of coyotes diet in the wild are grasses and forages. Next time you shoot one open the stomach and look at the feedstuff that makes up their stomach continent.
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That was you walking around Lowes or something with your wolfdog on a leash, wasn't it? You still got that pic?
That was me, and the male, who took a massive dump in the middle of the floor. Thats what they do when they get upset is take a shit. That phot went when my laptop quit.
As ridiculous as this sounds, this idea has been floating around L.A. for years (I know, I bet you're surprised). It was even proposed that L.A. city dog shelters switch to a vegan diet. Luckily it was dismissed by veterinary experts but not before being put up for debate and wasting tax payer money.
https://www.citywatchla.com/index.p...lters-vegan-dog-food-proposal-hits-legal-snag
From personal experience I've seen this madness at play. I once worked on a film production where the director would bring in her vegan dog. It was a German Shepard-size dog though scrawny and lethargic. The vet must have told her something because a month into the production she had the production assistants start feeding the dog rotisserie chickens from Whole Foods. The whole premise is delusional at best. "-isms" are for humans to contemplate. Saying your dog is vegan/vegetarian is like saying your cat is Catholic.
https://www.citywatchla.com/index.p...lters-vegan-dog-food-proposal-hits-legal-snag
From personal experience I've seen this madness at play. I once worked on a film production where the director would bring in her vegan dog. It was a German Shepard-size dog though scrawny and lethargic. The vet must have told her something because a month into the production she had the production assistants start feeding the dog rotisserie chickens from Whole Foods. The whole premise is delusional at best. "-isms" are for humans to contemplate. Saying your dog is vegan/vegetarian is like saying your cat is Catholic.
Hollywood/Los Ángeles and Silicon Valley have been spearheading culture creation for decades. That old phrase “As goes California, as goes the rest of the country.” It’s no surprise considering the amount of hard infrastructure they have.
Winning the culture war means creating viable alternatives to theirs. Just think about the amount of hours children consum their ideals via music, television, internet, and movies. Music is probably the most important alternative. Which Hollywood has made it virtually impossible to become a professional musician for a living.
As far as role models for culture go. Would you rather have local God fearing musicians entertain you? Or have hand selected “prodigies” like Miley Cyrus? Where they place them in shows like the Mouseketeers for children, and then a whole generation join in their journey.
I did some research into veganism myself. I don’t recommend it unless:
1) Legitimate Health reasons
2) Religions piety/observance like being a monk
What I found it eliminates the consumption of selenium. An essential mineral for thyroid health, and is also essential for male fertility also. Bad thyroid function means no absorption of calcium. Which is needed for everything in the body. Especially balancing the Ph level of your blood.
B12 is an other essential nutrient. Although, it technically is produced by bacteria. The only reliable source is found in animal food products. Not getting enough of this could degenerate neurological health. Dementia is a very real possibility.
Lastly is cholesterol. Despite the negative propaganda against it. You need cholesterol so your body can produce Vitamin D. Which is needed for various other functions like absorbing nutrients, cell strength, lipid transportation, prevents the crystallization of fatty acids, neurological health (synapses), bone calcification, and enzyme production for hormonal health.
What a great way to destroy societies, and keep them under control huh?
Winning the culture war means creating viable alternatives to theirs. Just think about the amount of hours children consum their ideals via music, television, internet, and movies. Music is probably the most important alternative. Which Hollywood has made it virtually impossible to become a professional musician for a living.
As far as role models for culture go. Would you rather have local God fearing musicians entertain you? Or have hand selected “prodigies” like Miley Cyrus? Where they place them in shows like the Mouseketeers for children, and then a whole generation join in their journey.
I did some research into veganism myself. I don’t recommend it unless:
1) Legitimate Health reasons
2) Religions piety/observance like being a monk
What I found it eliminates the consumption of selenium. An essential mineral for thyroid health, and is also essential for male fertility also. Bad thyroid function means no absorption of calcium. Which is needed for everything in the body. Especially balancing the Ph level of your blood.
B12 is an other essential nutrient. Although, it technically is produced by bacteria. The only reliable source is found in animal food products. Not getting enough of this could degenerate neurological health. Dementia is a very real possibility.
Lastly is cholesterol. Despite the negative propaganda against it. You need cholesterol so your body can produce Vitamin D. Which is needed for various other functions like absorbing nutrients, cell strength, lipid transportation, prevents the crystallization of fatty acids, neurological health (synapses), bone calcification, and enzyme production for hormonal health.
What a great way to destroy societies, and keep them under control huh?
