How Does This Happen....
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I totally follow you on the mental mind set part as many others on here I'm sure do as well but I have to disagree in the extent that it changes because I'm off work or tired, either you have the mind set or you don't.
It doesn't matter if I'm carrying a firearm, have a knife in my pocket, my German Sheppard sitting in the front seat or grocery shopping with the family I do my best to evaluate my surroundings and see things coming as they evolve. The second you don't your a victim or a potential one.
I would certainly hope that anyone allowed to wear a badge and a gun would be more mentally tuned in than myself but the sad truth is I've personally seen to many of the mouth breathing overweight fucktards roaming amongst us wearing a badge and gun that I wouldn't trust with a potato pealer let alone give them more authority than the average teenagers.
While they're home and awake, millions upon millions. http://www.eyewitnesssurveillance.com/americans-dont-lock-doors-survey/
As for me, I live where everyone is armed and nobody has been murdered since 2011. Anyone is more than welcome to come test my home's security, bring your own tourniquet and chest seal assortment because you're not using mine.
Dude apparently worked for PwC so not directly with the drugs, probably traded pharma derivatives or consulted pharma companies
I scanned over the link and I am not going to get into an arguement over the results but I disagree with your assessment of the results. You are also using what you do to assume that is a broad based norm, and it is not.
Regardless the details on the case will shed light on what happened.
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That is a possibility. There have been two or three “ear witnesses” and all heard different things.
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Amber Guyger... Sounds like she fucked up pretty good this time.
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The story is getting more interesting, especially the possibilities that she might have known him.....
This is going to be a racial excrement show for the Dallas police department, especially as they seem to be playing the let's protect our own game.
This is going to be a racial excrement show for the Dallas police department, especially as they seem to be playing the let's protect our own game.
Seems like a fine young man, you dont consult at PWC unless you are top of the top. Lets see but so far the gang in blue at the admin level look to be doing the tap dance, another Horuchi, Lerner, Betty Jo in the aking. The pot boils.
I dont think the Rangers will let this slide, they seem pretty even handed with this shit.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-how-to-survive-such-incidents/?noredirect=on
I dont think the Rangers will let this slide, they seem pretty even handed with this shit.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-how-to-survive-such-incidents/?noredirect=on
Hi,
The Rangers are the ones saying hold off on having warrant issued and ones that released her after questioning yesterday.
Sincerely,
Theis
The Rangers are the ones saying hold off on having warrant issued and ones that released her after questioning yesterday.
Sincerely,
Theis
I grew up in Newark NJ, and I lock everything....
I have:
Found strangers on the second floor of my house. Twice. Both times I was in localities where handguns were not an option. Probably saved me some jail time, the legal system being what it is. They got away with being 'chased with extreme prejudice'. Nowadays, I carry; let God sort 'em...
Unlocked, sat in, and started a car identical to my own with the keys in my pocket. It wasn't until I went for the shifter that I realized it was a manual column shift.
Sat on a jury where a young guy who grew up with the officer stepped in front of the officer's cruiser and attempted to shoot him with a Saturday night special. It misfired. I personally examined the round, the primer got whacked; luckiest cop I ever met.
He went away.
But..., the little old lady from the same 'hood refused to vote conviction ("But he's just such a sweet young man..."). So we compromised and didn't convict on the slam-dunk weapons charge.
Guilty on the other buncha charges.
This shit really does happen.
Greg
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Why are so many predisposed to think drugs are somehow involved in this?
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Dallas-Officer-Fatally-Shoots-Man-492675981.html
Why can't it just be that a law enforcement officer severely FUBAR'd a situation and an innocent man needlessly died?
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Dallas-Officer-Fatally-Shoots-Man-492675981.html
Why can't it just be that a law enforcement officer severely FUBAR'd a situation and an innocent man needlessly died?
Wrong....
The Dallas taxpayers will be on the hook for millions of dollars... the department and the officer probably won't be on the hook for any payouts.
Well it's hard to imagine her being so stupid without drugs or alcohol involved, unless her story is BS and she knew him already. Here are a few key points:
and had just finished a 14-hour shift serving warrants in high-crime areas.
Somebody is trying to make her look like the poor innocent victim, her "home" was in an ultra modern high security very posh apartment complex in a relatively safe, rich part of Dallas.. That's a big stinking whopper of a trying to turn the criminal into a victim.
she took the elevator to a floor that was not hers
Even if you claim you were tired and distracted, I doubt you easily forget to notice the number you pushed on the elevator, the display of floor number when you come up and probably the floor number on the landing level either... If it had been a couple doors down or something maybe she'd have a point... but a whole different floor... looking pretty bad. Not to mention the apartment number on the door?
Guyger believed Jean, who was wearing only underwear, was an intruder and shot him with her service weapon
So a guy standing there with his hands on the door in his underwear clearly unarmed and she shoots to kill twice....
Are you are going to tell me that is now standard police procedure... shoot dead clearly unarmed people because they are black, or male or you're a bitch? I know a lot of protesters will claim that is standard police procedure... But I'm assuming you would want to say police are not trained to go just murdering everybody the moment they are surprised?
It wasn't until police and rescue units began arriving that she realized she was not at her apartment.
So she didn't notice when looking over the body of the man she just murdered in cold blood that it wasn't her furniture and decorating in the apartment... Sound like she had some time to think and / or call somebody and decided that would be her story hoping for manslaughter instead of pre-meditated murder.
Jean, who was wearing only underwear
Sounds like he was a young man expecting a booty call or at least with no reason to think that he was in any danger and possibly that the person at the door was someone he knew or expected.
The part that is making it worse, is she should have been arrested on suspicion of a crime, then if they wanted, let out after seeing a judge to at least cover their asses. Them letting her go free with nothing till they decide how best to cover it up or minimize the issue is what is going to blow up in their faces. I'm sure one of the local night judges would have been happy to sign a release for her with a promise to show up.
Almost 1M cops in the US.
135 cops killed in the line of duty in 2017.
28 died in crashes.
15 heart attack
8 ambush killings
46 shot, not sure if that includes suicides on duty.
140 cops committed suicide in 2017.
963 people killed by cops.
I really do appreciate what these men and women do and the task's difficulties, but their training is out of line with reality. I think these guys are being spun up a little bit too tight. Cops are out-killing criminals 20:1, for that matter cops are killing 3x more cops than criminals do. That's assuming all the people killed are criminals, and I know of at least a couple of deaf people killed in Oklahoma City alone.
135 cops killed in the line of duty in 2017.
28 died in crashes.
15 heart attack
8 ambush killings
46 shot, not sure if that includes suicides on duty.
140 cops committed suicide in 2017.
963 people killed by cops.
I really do appreciate what these men and women do and the task's difficulties, but their training is out of line with reality. I think these guys are being spun up a little bit too tight. Cops are out-killing criminals 20:1, for that matter cops are killing 3x more cops than criminals do. That's assuming all the people killed are criminals, and I know of at least a couple of deaf people killed in Oklahoma City alone.
I wonder what the time line on the security cameras will reveal.
Will the arrival and shooting be just seconds apart or is there a large gap that would reveal some coverup?
Will the arrival and shooting be just seconds apart or is there a large gap that would reveal some coverup?
I see nothing at all wrong with those numbers. Fight the police and escalate things to the level that warrants deadly force and it's highly likely that you will die.
BTW, one doesn't have to have a firearm in hand to escalate things to the level where deadly force is warranted. Too many people of the minority persuasion do not, or do not want to, understand that.
Show someone (who is legally armed with a handgun) a knife or an impact weapon with intent and opportunity to use it and you will get shot you until you cease to be a threat
Same thing will happen if you try to disarm that same person.
I grew up in Elizabeth, we never lock the doors and guns weer aplenty. I dont think we even had a key to lock the door, would spend weekends down at seaside and house wide open. If neighbors caught a stranger entering the house the stranger would never do it again, in fact the stranger would never come into Elizabeth again.
QUOTE="Greg Langelius *, post: 7228232, member: 91"]I grew up in Newark NJ, and I lock everything....
I have:
Found strangers on the second floor of my house. Twice. Both times I was in localities where handguns were not an option. Probably saved me some jail time, the legal system being what it is. They got away with being 'chased with extreme prejudice'. Nowadays, I carry; let God sort 'em...
Unlocked, sat in, and started a car identical to my own with the keys in my pocket. It wasn't until I went for the shifter that I realized it was a manual column shift.
Sat on a jury where a young guy who grew up with the officer stepped in front of the officer's cruiser and attempted to shoot him with a Saturday night special. It misfired. I personally examined the round, the primer got whacked; luckiest cop I ever met.
He went away.
But..., the little old lady from the same 'hood refused to vote conviction ("But he's just such a sweet young man..."). So we compromised and didn't convict on the slam-dunk weapons charge.
Guilty on the other buncha charges.
This shit really does happen.
Greg[/QUOTE]
QUOTE="Greg Langelius *, post: 7228232, member: 91"]I grew up in Newark NJ, and I lock everything....
I have:
Found strangers on the second floor of my house. Twice. Both times I was in localities where handguns were not an option. Probably saved me some jail time, the legal system being what it is. They got away with being 'chased with extreme prejudice'. Nowadays, I carry; let God sort 'em...
Unlocked, sat in, and started a car identical to my own with the keys in my pocket. It wasn't until I went for the shifter that I realized it was a manual column shift.
Sat on a jury where a young guy who grew up with the officer stepped in front of the officer's cruiser and attempted to shoot him with a Saturday night special. It misfired. I personally examined the round, the primer got whacked; luckiest cop I ever met.
He went away.
But..., the little old lady from the same 'hood refused to vote conviction ("But he's just such a sweet young man..."). So we compromised and didn't convict on the slam-dunk weapons charge.
Guilty on the other buncha charges.
This shit really does happen.
Greg[/QUOTE]
Yet a number of people are killed every year who certainly shouldn’t have been and more that didn’t need to be. Perhaps 50 or 100.
How many is a low enough number for you? Don't say zero. Perfection is unattainable.
More to the point, how do you know how many are killed that shouldn't have been or didn't need to be?
By reading two months of the WaPo shooting database and multiplying. Near as I can tell 5% of the people the police shoot didn’t need to be shot but it was legal and 5% are criminal shootings.
How many dead police officers are acceptable to you? Is there an acceptable rate of loss at which you should cease efforts to reduce fatalities or should you always try to improve the situation?
sadly there is no data on the number of police involved shootings, no requirement to report them up to the fed or state level, not in a uniform manner at least.
some UK paper extrapolated some data, not the same as a actual accounting of incidents. Only way to do that would be to attach that requirement to fed funds police departments have become addicted to. I personally dont want to see the national government gain more control over the local and state PD than these organizations already gave up. they sold their sole for a few Humvees , this wil come back to bite them and us when the next Obama is president with the next Holder/Sessions scumbag in charge of justice.
I'm not only questioning your sources I'm also questioning your reasoning.
I'll be as blunt as I possibly can because it seems you didn't understand my question the first time.
Who the hell do you think YOU are to judge which is a good police shooting and which is not?
Unless you are, or have been, a police officer I hardly give one fuck about your opinion on the subject.
Ok while I also think there is A LOT more to the story than we've been told. Suppose , ( and I mean this is just hypothetical)......... she really did make a mistake and enter the wrong apartment and the now deceased victim wasn't about to let her leave for whatever reason. Good or evil. Now what? Was she trying to be detained? assaulted? raped? tied up? etc.... Again, from what little we know of the victim it would not seem but behind closed doors people tend to be different. Does anyone of these scenarios now change the situation?
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Good point... Could have been some freaky shit going on. I think she would have mentioned zed is dead cuz he was trying to rape her, though.
Actually, there is a fed requirement under UCR, uniform crime reporting, and UCR determines a basis on gov grants.
However, our dysfunctional justice dept and even more dysfunctional feebi do not hold departments to standards and penalties are very few.
The most accurate sources are "those" SJW news outlets, oh so most unfortunately, no different from Jim crow lynching days when the black underground news was the most correct..
There is data, but its incomplete. National Association of Chiefs hasn't been able to determine the level of accuracy over the last 10 years. It sucks.
Makes accountability impossible to hold.
on one hand I want to see the picture to figure out a solution but on the other hand I dont believe the fedgov should have any power over local state or Sheriffs at all. They are not suborned constitutionally to Fedgov.
I’m simply pointing out that these numbers don’t warrant spinning people up to the point they are shooting neighbors in their underwear, the deaf, people in handcuffs, or social workers sitting on the ground with their hands up. There seems to be an attitude that every citizen is a would-be murderer then treated with the appropriate amount of whimsy. How else can some of these situations be explained? There has to be some balance or this double standard is going to lead to serious violence.
To the contrary a police officer has a conflict of interest in examining these situations. Technically a lawyer would be a better source for evaluation.
As to my credentials I have 240 hours of shooting/use of force training and took the use of force and search and seizure case law sections of the police academy for college credit once because I was bored.
You don’t have to be a cop to have an opinion anymore than you have to be black to have an opinion.
Social justice is a guarantee of injustice. None of the groups are wholly good or wholly bad.
Social justice is a guarantee of injustice. None of the groups are wholly good or wholly bad.
So in other words you don't know dick about the real world but you feel fit to judge it.
Hi,
Nice hypothetical try at making the victim the bad guy in this.....
Amber would have been spewing such information out of her mouth from the GET GO if any of that were the case!!!
She was arrested Sunday night after new evidence from witnesses was put forward and she was then released on $300,000 bail.
Sincerely,
Theis
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If this were anyone else it would be listed as a home invasion, break in, whatever. But since it was a cop, some people can't get past that she obviously served and protected the shit out of that guy.
Thinking cops are any better than your average joe at basically anything, is like believing that since someone was in the military, they know how to shoot very well.
Thinking cops are any better than your average joe at basically anything, is like believing that since someone was in the military, they know how to shoot very well.
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