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Best Self-timing Muzzle Brake out there?

FredIII said:
Scott weichel of live oak accuracy is making a very effective brake I will link my 338 edge video in a few



Prone in the dirt is no problem. Plus these things self time come with a wrench and eat recoil for lunch.



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went to his site, doesn't show this ?
 
For what it's worth, we have our brake available for sale now and I'd highly recommend you guys check them out! (https://mdttac.ca/products/mdt-elite-muzzle-brake). I have been running one on my match gun all year (prototype) and it' been just as effective as an APA or Heathen at a lower cost ;)
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APA Lil Bastard hands down. All the rest are just clones with different port openings. Nothing new other than looks.
 
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There's a good deal on an APA LB II in the classifieds if anyone's looking. :)

I can heartily endorse it, along with the 419 Hellfire and Sidewinder too.
 
FredIII said:
Scott weichel of live oak accuracy is making a very effective brake I will link my 338 edge video in a few



Prone in the dirt is no problem. Plus these things self time come with a wrench and eat recoil for lunch.



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I’m impressed . How much did it cost?
 
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After reading people’s opinions and experience along with doing some research, I decided to go with the Insite Heathen. Just got it in the mail today and installed tonight. Hoping to have a range report soon.
 
Scott's brake is VERY nice, and I have or have had most of the brakes mentioned. Scott was my best kept secret, since the days he built stuff at Stiller Precision he was doing work for me out of his shop in Wylie Texas.Now that the word is out I'mprobably gonna have to take a number....Scott is also a good person who has done a lot of stuff for me including fixing other smiths mistakes.From complete builds to accruizing 3 factory rifles that are now absolute Hammers , you cant go wrong with Scott Weichel.One last thing I've found is that brakes are like reticles everyone has their favorite.
 
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OG10 said:
bjay:nice rig
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Tnx brother.scott is getting married tommorow he just msg me at fb messenger so he asked me to give him sometime to do more brake..:)
I wanted self time but for 1" diameter it wont have enough metal if he makes it 3/4x24 but he will make a NOT self time with 3/4 thread..
 
Yes, that is his standard. It is actually a prototype that we improved on with some refining. The one he is retailing is the kat azz. You will love it.
 
This is a prototype that I thought would look cleaner. Not in production yet.

As the gentleman above stated Scott builds winners period. He has been my dedicated rifle builder sense he worked with Jerry as well and I was very happy to see him jump out on his own. I also would have liked to keep him my secret but the man has to eat. LOL. You will be very pleased to have made his aquatints many times over.
 

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FredIII said:
This is a prototype but that I thought would look cleaner. Not in production yet.

As the gentleman above stated Scott builds winners period. He has been my dedicated rifle builder sense he worked with Jerry as well and I was very happy to see him jump out on his own. I also would have liked to keep him my secret but the man has to eat. LOL. You will be very pleased to have made his aquatints many times over.
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Can i buy that :)
 
kevinsachs said:
Insite Arms Heathen Brake.

No tools needed and wont seize like the Area 419 does when it get gummed up.
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After owning a few Heathens, I decided to try the 419 as I wanted a full stainless brake to match one of my barrels. Damn thing locked up after my first time out with it. I've yet to be able to un-seize it.

The performance of the Heathen is better than the Area 419 from my experience. Between that and the lack of seizing of the Heathen, I don't really see any reason to go to the Area 419.
 
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kthomas said:
After owning a few Heathens, I decided to try the 419 as I wanted a full stainless brake to match one of my barrels. Damn thing locked up after my first time out with it. I've yet to be able to un-seize it.
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Bummer, sorry to hear that man. I wasn't worried about seizing with mine but I put a tiny bit of anti-seize on the threads just so that it would operate smoothly. No problems on/off at all.

Try wrapping a rubber band around the knurling of the lock collar, it will give your hand a lot more grip on the brake to loosen it.
 
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Sheldon N said:
Bummer, sorry to hear that man. I wasn't worried about seizing with mine but I put a tiny bit of anti-seize on the threads just so that it would operate smoothly. No problems on/off at all.

Try wrapping a rubber band around the knurling of the lock collar, it will give your hand a lot more grip on the brake to loosen it.
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In my case it wasn't the threads for the 419 brake but was the area where the brake and adapter meet that lock/seizes up. Had to use a pliers to remove it.
 
I want to use the heathens on a hunting rifle . Would anyone advise against this ? We shoot prone off a bipod , or off a backpack often . Generally with someone behind us on a spotting scope .
 
kthomas said:
That is exactly how mine is seized up.
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If you continue unscrewing the knurled ring, it should separate the brake and adapter for you. The threads on the brake have several rotations before the two pieces come in contact with each other, so there's a good amount of mechanical advantage to separate them. If you can't get continue to unscrew by hand, try the rubber band trick.
 
Sheldon N said:
If you continue unscrewing the knurled ring, it should separate the brake and adapter for you. The threads on the brake have several rotations before the two pieces come in contact with each other, so there's a good amount of mechanical advantage to separate them. If you can't get continue to unscrew by hand, try the rubber band trick.
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I'd be grabbing, or shopping for, a small diameter strap wrench.
 
308pirate said:
I'd be grabbing, or shopping for, a small diameter strap wrench.
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The amount of force needed shouldn't come anywhere near a strap wrench. If you can start to unscrew the knurled ring then you can almost certainly unscrew the brake by hand. It's a super fine thread pitch that's separating a tapered collar, and once you unscrew it all the way the two pieces can't be stuck together. The knurling is not super aggressive, so the rubber band is just to keep your hand from slipping.

And just a reminder in case anyone is having a facepalm moment, the knurled ring on the 419 brake is reverse thread pitch.
 
Lots o brakes on the market. My favorites come down to: A419 Sidewinder, Pierce Precision 5 port, APA Fat bastard. Subject to change.

Maybe I'm an asshole - but I have found I like to pair the muzzle brake to the caliber I am shooting. IE: a fat bastard pairs very nice with some of the sharper recoil impulses of the 6 br family cartridges from my testing. I have really enjoyed the Sidewinder for 6.5 CM/ 300 win mag/ 260 rem. There is recoil reduction and then there is sight alignment. I think it takes quite a bit of trial and error with muzzle brakes. Absolute recoil reduction is not always the most important thing.
 
My 419 seized up and had me worried. A few drops of Carbout and it came loose easily. I really like both the 419 and the Heathen.
 
Sheldon N said:
If you continue unscrewing the knurled ring, it should separate the brake and adapter for you. The threads on the brake have several rotations before the two pieces come in contact with each other, so there's a good amount of mechanical advantage to separate them. If you can't get continue to unscrew by hand, try the rubber band trick.
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Will give it a shot, thanks!
 
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CuTm said:
I want to use the heathens on a hunting rifle . Would anyone advise against this ? We shoot prone off a bipod , or off a backpack often . Generally with someone behind us on a spotting scope .
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There shouldn't be any issues at all. The Heathen will kick up less dust to the shooter when prone compared to other brakes as well. Only thing is that hunting with a brake might be a little obnoxious.
 
Not sure if it's the most effective, but the TS Customs self timing brake is probably the cleanest looking. No nut and contours nicely.

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bjay said:
Locking screws on muzzle thread?
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No.. inset threaded insert with different thread pitch. No shims or washers and the brake mates cleanly to the muzzle. The set screws hold the insert in place. Pretty clever.

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He's got a few sizes.. one looks clean on sendero or similar contour and one for heavier ( MTU, M24, etc.)
 
I have one from TS customs also and like the looks and clean lines for a self time brake.Seems just as effective at recoil reduction as the little bastard brakes I have on a few other rifles.
 
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received Scott's brake today.the finish and machining is so precise look and built well..will try and compare with my 419 and LB soon
 
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