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Don't call a member of my book club a dick. It is not his fault.
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Military 300 WM brass problems
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Don't call a member of my book club a dick. It is not his fault.
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A chain is only as strong as its weakest link and the SAAMI set the pressure limits for the oldest and weakest action the cartridge will be fired in.
And if you have a new Remington 700 30-06 why can't you load it to the same chamber pressure as a .270 in a Rem 700????
There is no reason you can't load the 30-06 warmer in a new bolt action rifle to the same pressures as the .270 Win. (And its case doesn't have a belt)
That is interesting and it has me critically thinking. What is the answer. I think you are qualified to complete the lecture. We're really here to learn. The arguing is just company language. If you're here just to teach than take that role because we're no monument to parables. Nothing sets off an SH member more than trolling using the classics. For you sir, are making a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them.
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You’re the one that brought it into the mix. I don’t have an 06. But I know that when you approach max pressure with any cartridge the accuracy nodes get narrower.
than 300WM? None. As much as I like the 30-06 it can't compete with 300wm with any weight bullet. Try to run a 30-06 with a 210M at 2900fps and tell me how many reloads you get out of that brass. You won't have to worry about a belt, the primers would have to be glued in.
Very good question, but most here have some form of ADD so I suspect it has something to do with that
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So, you are trolling because you only set up for your next chapter or vignette but we didn't really sign up for your class. What about taking a 180 grain even faster than an '06 is capable and nobody is really serious that the WM is a PIA with that in mind as a goal. So, are you selling the Willis copy and paste or demoting it after further contemplation.
Maybe you should start quoting yourself and replying just to keep things on an even playing field because we are getting into the psychology so we would be interested in what you quote and subsequent reply really makes you feel. Seriously, the Mariah Carey fan forum style doesn't complement your user ID. In fact, it is a little creepy. I'm sure you have forgotten more about reloading than some of us will ever know so just be yourself. Also, if you have ever been to therapy is big points here. Let us know. We have ribbons for things like that. But here I go again acting like a Bishop.
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Question, why does the U.S. Army Marksmanship Unit (USAMU) use new brass in their 300 Win Magnums.
Question, why does the military sell once fired .300 Win Magnum brass.
300 Win Mag - Cleaned - 100 Pieces $49.00
https://www.brassbombers.com/300-Win-Mag-Cleaned-100-Pieces-3FC-C0010.htm
Question, why has Larry Willis sold over 5,000 belted collet dies. And why is this a common belted case problem.
NOTE, I just bought another 250 once fired Lake City 7.62 cases, they do not have a belt and I'm not using a small base die.
Bottom line, I have no use for a 300 Win magnum or any belted magnum when my 30-06 and .308 do anything I need.
P.S. culpeper you are "pontificating again" and may be lusting after Mariah Carey because she reminds you of your mother.
When's the last time you shot along side the AMU? In the last 15 years I have never seen an AMU shooter using a 300WM, but I will admit I haven't seen them much in the last six or so years. IF they are, it's probably for training. I would bet @sinister can comment on this with more authority, seeing as he was the AMU OIC for several years.
If they are using 300wm, most likely for developing training, they're probably shooting issues loads not the custom ammo loaded on site. Regardless IF they were shit canning brass it's because it's worthless after one firing, like the 90gr AR brass that gets left. mk248 mod1 brass is junk after 1 firing IMO.
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I have. I have a bunch of FC09-15 300WM MK248 brass and I have resized it and, no, I don’t have chambering issues because my TRG42s have the biggest chamber known to man. I have used Norma, Hornady, Win, S&B, Nosler, as well as modified 300H&H aaaaaand I made 300WM from Norma 300WBY which was a pain. I know my way around a 300WM.
But my point is that you have never resized a 300WM case and you don’t know about the quirks and how to overcome them.
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Now you're just making an ass out of yourself. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But even Carl doesn't make an ass of himself. There is more than meets the eye.
You see, everybody thought the demented senile owner of the tiller had gas in it. Carl, who butchered his mother to death and would later butcher Doyle, just happened to show up. It was Scooter that got the lesson explained to him though everybody made the same mistake. Scooter showed a little humility by just taking it even though he has seniority over an idiot. It is a lesson in people are no damn good. You're off to a great start here. And don't get me started on Jules Winfield's moment of clarity. And yes, even liberal art is relevant to reloading. Try not to forget everybody in the room is smart (Absence of Malice).
You see, everybody thought the demented senile owner of the tiller had gas in it. Carl, who butchered his mother to death and would later butcher Doyle, just happened to show up. It was Scooter that got the lesson explained to him though everybody made the same mistake. Scooter showed a little humility by just taking it even though he has seniority over an idiot. It is a lesson in people are no damn good. You're off to a great start here. And don't get me started on Jules Winfield's moment of clarity. And yes, even liberal art is relevant to reloading. Try not to forget everybody in the room is smart (Absence of Malice).
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Do you use a Wilson case gauge? They measure off the shoulder and will show if the brass has been sized properly and if it's been trimmed properly. I have one for every round I load. Lots of people use the Hornady setup too and it's more flexible, does more, but for just setting up dies to get a basic FL size and trim, I use those Wilson gauges. Just super easy, drop it in, look at it.
I'll bet if you put that case in there that the head will be protruding ever so much.
And I agree, Lee dies suck, although they do seem to have the market cornered on the crimping dies. I use Forster, great dies.
I'll bet if you put that case in there that the head will be protruding ever so much.
And I agree, Lee dies suck, although they do seem to have the market cornered on the crimping dies. I use Forster, great dies.
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Don't forget Lee collet dies. So, if they are so good at crimping and neck sizing explain why their FL and seating dies suck. I get whatever is available so I have all the name brands and I experience no differences in their intended purpose. They all do the same thing. I'm only referring to the basic sets. Lee doesn't make special purpose FL and seating dies as far as I know. And I've never had a need for them, anyway.
Also, you're gonna get beat up pretty good on those Wilson gauges though those gauges don't confront me.
Also, you're gonna get beat up pretty good on those Wilson gauges though those gauges don't confront me.
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The problem is 300WM chambers vary too much in shoulder length for a gauge to be useful. Mine are .015” longer than most brass I pick up.
Yes, I did. I told him to use a small base die because RCBS makes one. And it will reduce his case diameter enough to chamber without sticking. And it is easier to use than the Willis die. I never said I couldn’t get the Willis die to work. I got it to work, but the effort wasn’t worth it.
Uncle Eddie had to go clean out the shitter. He won't be back.
Was your use of the small base what made the LW die hard to use, or did you start using the small base die after trying the LW die?
Funny, I heard it was fullUncle Eddie had to go clean out the shitter. He won't be back.
I started with a Redding body die and a Lee Collet neck die. After two or three reloads the cases started to stick on extraction. So I got the Willis die. I found it impossible to size a case that expanded to .515”. So I sized with the body die first, then with the Willis die. But the sizing effort was still high, so much that the shell holder was engraving the case rim much like an extractor does on an autoloader. So I bought a small base die and sized first with the body die, then with the small base die, but the small base die was bumping the shoulder too much for my chamber. My chamber is reeeeeeeeely looooooong. So I bought a roll sizer because I am a retard and cannot hold on to money. And I like mechanical gadgets. Now I use the roll sizer first, then the body die, then the neck die, and get perfect cases that don’t stick and they are sized minimally. I can get 15 loads out of a Hornady case with 208s and H1000.
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I just got the Willis die in and went to size some cases. I lubed it a bunch with sizing lube like they said and ran a case up into the die. When I went to pull the case out the case rim bent down and the shell holder came right off because it was so stuck in there. I will be calling Innovative Technologies tomorrow and putting their "lifetime warranty" to the test because I did everything that they said and there is no way that that is an acceptable result.
I just got the Willis die in and went to size some cases. I lubed it a bunch with sizing lube like they said and ran a case up into the die. When I went to pull the case out the case rim bent down and the shell holder came right off because it was so stuck in there. I will be calling Innovative Technologies tomorrow and putting their "lifetime warranty" to the test because I did everything that they said and there is no way that that is an acceptable result.
Interesting. I am not sure if anyone's warranty covers cases stuck in dies. That is generally a user error kind of thing. I would make a stuck case removing kit for a FL die and try it.
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I have thought about adding it to the collection. It seems a great idea. I just haven't needed it yet (as you pointed out), and other stuff was more urgent. It will probably find it's way to me eventually.
The rest of the story . . . .
I designed the Belted Magnum Collet Resizing Die. So, let me know if you have questions. I have been (and still am) continuously available to handloaders by phone and email since this unique die hit the market, back in 2001. At this time, there are well over 6,000 shooters using it. Unlike conventional resizing dies, this patented collet design squeezes the case inward only, and it can’t plow brass rearward.
Belted magnum case bulge almost always occurs at (or soon after) the 3rd firing. This is caused from cumulative case stretching. The first firing is especially bad, because a NEW belted case has over than 3 times more shoulder clearance than a non-belted case. So, the first firing is a REAL case stretch. Most of the excessive case bulge happens during the reloading process. After a few years, I re-wrote the instructions because I found that too many shooters were using this die to over-resize their cases.
You only need to reduce case diameter .001” smaller than one of your FIRED cases. That makes the die much easier to use. (Most shooters figured that out.) The drop gauge on top of this collet die just shows how your cases fit in the average SAAMI spec chamber - which may or may not be the same size as your chamber.
Measuring case diameter above the belt should be done with the WIDE part of your calipers. This clearly shows the difference between a new case, a once fired case, and a case that won’t chamber. Once a handloader sees this, it doesn’t usually take long to understand what is needed to make reliable fitting handloads.
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I designed the Belted Magnum Collet Resizing Die. So, let me know if you have questions. I have been (and still am) continuously available to handloaders by phone and email since this unique die hit the market, back in 2001. At this time, there are well over 6,000 shooters using it. Unlike conventional resizing dies, this patented collet design squeezes the case inward only, and it can’t plow brass rearward.
Belted magnum case bulge almost always occurs at (or soon after) the 3rd firing. This is caused from cumulative case stretching. The first firing is especially bad, because a NEW belted case has over than 3 times more shoulder clearance than a non-belted case. So, the first firing is a REAL case stretch. Most of the excessive case bulge happens during the reloading process. After a few years, I re-wrote the instructions because I found that too many shooters were using this die to over-resize their cases.
You only need to reduce case diameter .001” smaller than one of your FIRED cases. That makes the die much easier to use. (Most shooters figured that out.) The drop gauge on top of this collet die just shows how your cases fit in the average SAAMI spec chamber - which may or may not be the same size as your chamber.
Measuring case diameter above the belt should be done with the WIDE part of your calipers. This clearly shows the difference between a new case, a once fired case, and a case that won’t chamber. Once a handloader sees this, it doesn’t usually take long to understand what is needed to make reliable fitting handloads.
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