Not sure what stats you are looking at but Hispanic women have a MUCH lower per capita abortion rate that black women.
Why are Liberals for abortion?
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Not sure what stats you are looking at but Hispanic women have a MUCH lower per capita abortion rate that black women.
In Arizona and New Mexico the Latino abortion rate is higher than the black abortion rate. I couldn’t find a breakdown of Cali and Texas. Also the Latinos are 17 percent less likley to report an abortion than blacks. These unreported abortions are also called unsafe abortions by the powers at be. I found that interesting. Of the estimated unreported abortions whites have the lowest rate but the highest rate in reported abortions. I started this post to highlight the need for liberals to kill themselves off and I stated that if they didn’t they would never loose a national election. This didn’t start off as a race thing.
Liberals I can deal with and have never really had all that much of a problem with them except for the SJW Liberals. It's the Leftists that are the problem. The average annoying Liberal just wants to ruin your day. A Leftist on the other hand wants to destroy your life and the lives of anyone around you.
OMFG, you have picked two states to make an argument. How about not being so myopic and let us look at the ENTIRE picture. You seem to have an issue with hispanics, which is your thing, but your racial bias is preventing you from seeing reality.
Point 1:
https://www.guttmacher.org/infographic/2017/abortion-rates-race-and-ethnicity
Point 2:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5678377/
Point 3:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/66/ss/ss6624a1.htm
Okay, you can decide what you do with the results but when I scanned all three the numbers were very similar.
Yeah, you injected race into the discussion.
Color me skeptical that one of the most Roman Catholic population segments in this country also has a higher abortion rate than blacks.
Right, that makes complete sense.
Right, that makes complete sense.
WTF are you talking about. That looks like a line up of mug shots from Garden or dodge on Friday night. If you haven't noticed those two place have turned to Mexican gangsterville. You are either blind or haven't been there in 10 years. Big problem with children disappearing in garden city right now.
I’m in dodge city several time a year to see family. I agree it’s a mess there. The packing plants draw in the cheap labor. I’d like to see ice raid both dodge and garden. In reality there aren’t anymore murders in dodge than anywhere else. The biggest problem they have is the school systems. Because of the kids that can’t speak English it slows down the entire class and no one is learning jack.
Of course I picked the 4 border states. Not exactly many Mexicans living in Minnesota ..duh. And I didn’t interject race into it. I responded to the post that interjected race. Are you a liberal?? All I’ve done is state facts that you evidently don’t like. That doesn’t mean I don’t like Mexicans as a whole, although I will say the ones here illegally need an ass whopping and sent home. That’s not bc they are Mexican it’s bc they are here illegal and they damn well know it.
Stock response when confronted with unpleasant truth that doesn't agree with pre-conceived notions
You have cherry picked facts that support your narrative. How can you be so dense? Am I liberal because I am calling out bullshit stats? If so, then yes I am a liberal.
There are actually 276,000 hispanics that live in MN and approximately 362,000 african-americans.
If course I cherry picked border states... they have the most equal population of Hispanics vs whites. Minnesota is 81% white so how could you get any accurate comparison there??? And I don’t have a narrative, other than shedding light on your ignorance.
My ignorance? Why don’t you explain what I am ignorant about? You have shown that you lack a grasp of stats. You are repeating a racist position and trying to explain it with cherry picked numbers and even admitted to the cherry picking. You said you don’t have a narrative which would be possible until you picked stats to support your arguement, that is having a narrative. You were provided unbiased data and refuse to put stock in them.
You think I am ignorant and that is fine but I think I will keep my opinion of your myopic, racist bastardization of stats to myself.
I used stats that come from states with the most comparable population sizes as far as race. In what world does that make me a racist? I suppose trump is a racist too for wanting to secure the border. If your stats were worth a shit I’d take them into consideration but using Minnesota as a Hispanic population center to base a stay off of is just dumb. FYI I was being nice using the term ignorant
If wanting to secure the border and state abortion facts makes me a racist, so be it I guess
Liberals are for abortions because it kills off the next level of intellectually superior beings, compared to themselves. Putting them just under banana slugs.
You are a special kind of stupid. You mentioned MN, not me, but it seems that you don't seem to remember that. I just threw numbers out to show that the hispanic and black populations do not differ that much, regardless of your ignorant opinion. My stats, which you do not seem to understand anyway, were pulled from very respected sites but since they do not fit your argument (I did not use the word "narrative" because that seems to throw you off) they are shit.
You are racist because data does not support your viewpoint. In order to even try to support your comments you pick data instead of taking all the results. You have continued to rail against hispanics when data is counter to your opinion.
I am all for securing the boarders but for a series of reasons.
You were being nice, hey do not hold back on my account. I put ZERO stock is what you think because you have shown how smart you are and your lack of comprehension of data and ability to make a coherent argument. So, have at it and we will see what happens.
Your the one that introduced Minnesota population number not me. All I said is mn isn’t somewhere you’ll find many Hispanics..... fact
Only think I can think is you must have Hispanic family or close Hispanic friends. To take offense like you have to facts you must be butt hurt about something. You are biased as hell. Which is racist
The left hates taking responsibility for their actions. Babies are a big responsibility directly tied to their actions. Always someone else to blame for their circumstances.
"Oh no, I'm pregnant after having sex with a man of my own will. Stupid baby is guilty of ruining my life! Let's just kill it because it isn't my fault, the baby is at fault"
And the left is aligned with evil practices. Envy, selfishness and hate are pillars of leftism. Groups that continually abandon God's morals end up celebrating human sacrifice. This is the first world version. They sacrifice babies to their god, which is themselves. It is sick at how people cheer and clap when some celebrity proclaims they had an abortion or two.
"Yay, let's celebrate tearing apart tiny humans flesh and bones because it is such a beautiful thing! You go girl."
"Oh no, I'm pregnant after having sex with a man of my own will. Stupid baby is guilty of ruining my life! Let's just kill it because it isn't my fault, the baby is at fault"
And the left is aligned with evil practices. Envy, selfishness and hate are pillars of leftism. Groups that continually abandon God's morals end up celebrating human sacrifice. This is the first world version. They sacrifice babies to their god, which is themselves. It is sick at how people cheer and clap when some celebrity proclaims they had an abortion or two.
"Yay, let's celebrate tearing apart tiny humans flesh and bones because it is such a beautiful thing! You go girl."
The answer is simple. Selfishness.
What was happening when baby was being conceived? Gratifying self.
What was happening when abortion was chosen? Gratifying self. Ignoring a God given responsibility and instead choosing to take the easy, lazy way out so you could go and gratify self again.
Circumstances are not to blame. I'm poor and hungry. Please screw me so I feel better...that's a long term solution right there to gain weight. Both rich and poor use abortion to allow themselves gratification with no consequences.
And therein lies the root to many of the problems in this country. No consequences.
Except for me. I'll probably be banned again. I have no reason why, other then maybe this is Kindergarten where their feelings get hurt and the principal likes their mom so you get shit on.
And all I'm trying to do is piss people off...I don't get it. Maybe I need an official political title to get away with it.
What was happening when baby was being conceived? Gratifying self.
What was happening when abortion was chosen? Gratifying self. Ignoring a God given responsibility and instead choosing to take the easy, lazy way out so you could go and gratify self again.
Circumstances are not to blame. I'm poor and hungry. Please screw me so I feel better...that's a long term solution right there to gain weight. Both rich and poor use abortion to allow themselves gratification with no consequences.
And therein lies the root to many of the problems in this country. No consequences.
Except for me. I'll probably be banned again. I have no reason why, other then maybe this is Kindergarten where their feelings get hurt and the principal likes their mom so you get shit on.
And all I'm trying to do is piss people off...I don't get it. Maybe I need an official political title to get away with it.
They scream about birth control is a right but they want us to fund it.
If you aren't intelligent enough to take measures, readily available, to prevent pregnancy you shouldn't be having sex.
If you aren't capable of supporting a child if you make a "mistake", you shouldn't be having sex.
While they claim to be liberated women without the need for support, especially from men, they don't mind those male tax dollars
coming to the rescue.
As always they are walking contradictions depending on the time, location and position behind the 8 ball.
R
If you aren't intelligent enough to take measures, readily available, to prevent pregnancy you shouldn't be having sex.
If you aren't capable of supporting a child if you make a "mistake", you shouldn't be having sex.
While they claim to be liberated women without the need for support, especially from men, they don't mind those male tax dollars
coming to the rescue.
As always they are walking contradictions depending on the time, location and position behind the 8 ball.
R
Let me guess, me citing real stats is being biased and a racist. You are an idiot and the worst kind of poster on web boards because you say stupid shit and have no idea why.
"You must have hispanic family or close hispanic friends", really? In order for me to state real data that refutes your retartded viewpoint it MUST be because of friends or family? How about I just do not like idiots that post racist crap and then they try to hide behind data that they just do not understand.
"Butt hurt over facts". You just cannot comprehend how stupid that comment is. You cherry picked parts of the stats to support your myopic viewpoint. The sad thing is that you think you are correct and you are not. Continuing this conversation with you is complete and utter waste of time. Some people are happy to wallow in their ignorance, all the while thinking they know the answers.
From a societal point of view, which is necessarily a collectivist point of view, there are a ton of good arguments why the creatures who murder their own babies are doing everyone a service.
Fortunately we don't live in a Republic with a collectivist ethos. In our system of government the individual is paramount, and individual rights are (supposed to be) beyond the scope of government power. If you believe this, believe rights come from God and each person is endowed with them individually, then all of the collectivist arguments for murdering babies become moot.
You are left with a definitional disagreement of what constitutes a legal person. Science doesn't equivocate. Once a zygote is differentiated that is a unique human being with a unique genetic code unlike any other (save a twin). To place personhood, or humanity any other place is both illogical and arbitrary, but we are literally down to this argument, and as I said, science does not equivocate.
"The party of science", wants to ignore all science and arbitrarily place personhood when the baby leaves the birth canal. They can't argue humanity(or lump of cells as they used to declare), because through DNA we now know definitively what constitutes unassailable proof a creature or organism is fully human.
This is not even to mention the actual procedure, which is so gruesome and brutal it may as well be some sort of Nazi experiment.
Bottom line:
There is no question the baby is a girl/boy and a human being, period.
There is no question that all the science points unequivocally to the moment of differentiation as being that point when live organic matter becomes a human being.
It only becomes a question of whether you believe that human beings have inherent rights, or that we are just animals and human power is the greatest force in the universe. Which to me is a very stupid question that is answered wrongly by every totalitarian leftist on the planet.
Abortion IS a great litmus test about what you believe. Nothing throws it into more stark contrast. Nothing more demonstrates the moral abyss of leftist totalitarianism.
Here's a guy who did 1,200 abortions explaining what is actually is scrubbed of leftist lies and misrepresentations.
https://www.abortionprocedures.com/
This shit is so hard to watch, but you must if you're not completely talking out of your ass. Unless you understand the reality you should STFU. It's worse than any horror movie, because it's real. The reality is what they cannot let the people see, because no sane person would think that this OK. This is real Nazi shit. This is real evil shit. It cannot end soon enough.
https://www.mrctv.org/videos/warning-graphic-partial-birth-abortion-filmed
http://clinicquotes.com/video-of-a-d-e-abortion-graphic/
You can find thousands of viewpoints and studies both for and against. And once you sift past the religious aspect, it's a hard and hypocritical stanse to take.
How many of you have traveled the world? How many grew up in a ghetto inner city? How many grew up around unwanted orhpans who became drug addicts/criminals.
Take a look at who is actually breeding. By large it's low IQ future democrats and socialists. Want a collectivist society? Then prohibit abortion and you will get there that much faster.
Any ecosystem needs to be managed. What happens when you take away a predator and stop hunting them. Humantiy is already at a sataration point on this planet. Unless you think we need to be in the he city like penned animals?
And unless you plan to adopt and accept the financial and legal burden for every unwanted child born, you don't have a leg to stand on.
As a taxypayer and citizen I don't want to pay for crotch fruit and sure as hell don't want the crime associated with it.
It's cheaper, safer and morally right to abort children who statistically will become a burden.
Now change the rules where orphans become wards of the state and are trained as soldier from the age of 7...to become a foreign legion of sorts then maybe you can pusuade me to preserve an asset. As of now they are a liability. Makebthem an asset to society and you may get what you want.
Only religious zealots and close minded Americans who know nothing but apple pie and baseball feverently oppose abortion. It's a cultural thing.
How many of you have traveled the world? How many grew up in a ghetto inner city? How many grew up around unwanted orhpans who became drug addicts/criminals.
Take a look at who is actually breeding. By large it's low IQ future democrats and socialists. Want a collectivist society? Then prohibit abortion and you will get there that much faster.
Any ecosystem needs to be managed. What happens when you take away a predator and stop hunting them. Humantiy is already at a sataration point on this planet. Unless you think we need to be in the he city like penned animals?
And unless you plan to adopt and accept the financial and legal burden for every unwanted child born, you don't have a leg to stand on.
As a taxypayer and citizen I don't want to pay for crotch fruit and sure as hell don't want the crime associated with it.
It's cheaper, safer and morally right to abort children who statistically will become a burden.
Now change the rules where orphans become wards of the state and are trained as soldier from the age of 7...to become a foreign legion of sorts then maybe you can pusuade me to preserve an asset. As of now they are a liability. Makebthem an asset to society and you may get what you want.
Only religious zealots and close minded Americans who know nothing but apple pie and baseball feverently oppose abortion. It's a cultural thing.
You seem to think that the definition of a human means anything. I meet people everyday who if it were not for our laws, I would love nothing more than to put a bullet between their eyes. Most people are not worth the oxygen they consume.
Children should be treated as property and until they exit their host, the host should be the only person who has a say. From a moral standpoint, it's theirs anyway. They created and carried it. It grew from their body. To deny them the right to decide what happens to their body goes against personnel freedom.
Children should be treated as property and until they exit their host, the host should be the only person who has a say. From a moral standpoint, it's theirs anyway. They created and carried it. It grew from their body. To deny them the right to decide what happens to their body goes against personnel freedom.
Typical argument to justify killing.
They exercised their adult human rights when they decided to have consensual sex.
We are doomed as a society if we disregard human rights even while in the womb.
I'm guessing you haven't any children.
R
If you don't accept each human being's inherent value and intrinsic worth, then you do not accept we are endowed with unalienable rights. You are obviously totally unfamiliar with liberty's relationship with morality, vis a vis the moral condition of society. You also seem to be painfully unaware of the history of man creating his own morality based on the zeitgeist of the times. To say it's "a poor one", would be to understate by an absurd margin.
“America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.”
“Democracy extends the sphere of individual freedom, socialism restricts it. Democracy attaches all possible value to each man; socialism makes each man a mere agent, a mere number. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”
“Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
-Alexis De Tocqueville
The eugenics you're espousing, and misanthropy you claim to possess apply as directly to you as they do to your fellow man. Till you love yourself you cannot love others either generally or specifically. You are no different or better than anyone else. Your circumstances and opportunities may be better, but unless you have taken advantage of them fully and completely (who has?), you can claim nothing from it. Once you come to grips with that you can join us in this reality. As long as you're comparing yourself to other men rather than to an unobtainable ideal you will continue to fall far short.
You are starting from several false premises. Debating your conclusions without challenging your premises would be pointless.
“America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.”
“Democracy extends the sphere of individual freedom, socialism restricts it. Democracy attaches all possible value to each man; socialism makes each man a mere agent, a mere number. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”
“Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.”
-Alexis De Tocqueville
The eugenics you're espousing, and misanthropy you claim to possess apply as directly to you as they do to your fellow man. Till you love yourself you cannot love others either generally or specifically. You are no different or better than anyone else. Your circumstances and opportunities may be better, but unless you have taken advantage of them fully and completely (who has?), you can claim nothing from it. Once you come to grips with that you can join us in this reality. As long as you're comparing yourself to other men rather than to an unobtainable ideal you will continue to fall far short.
You are starting from several false premises. Debating your conclusions without challenging your premises would be pointless.
Why stop there, since you are fine with aborting children because some statistician thinks they are not going to be an asset to a society, why not go ahead and just do wholesale slaughter of anyone not a good little productive slave or that might be a rabble-rouser or might challenge the status quo which of course is "for the good of all"
By which I'm assuming you are also good with ethnic cleansing based on poverty and let's kill off all those who are not rich because only the rich and well off should be allowed to have children.
The good news for you is that if the cause of freedom looses, you'll get your wish.
That is exactly what the Nazis, Communists, Eugenicists, Fascists, Pol Pot followers, Red Shield Team, one world government & modern neo earth worshipers believed / believe & what they planned / plan for this planet.
Pretty much every evil empire and ideology that has brought horror on earth agrees with you.
The bad news for you is that most likely they will eliminate you with just as little care because you aren't the perfect little willing slave cog in the machine of society and they would prefer to have something "more productive" be allocated your resources....
(just like what happened to all the communist supporting "intellectuals" after every communist revolution).
Me, I'll fight for freedom and individual liberty and individual accountability.
If my side wins, you get to enjoy life & liberty even if you hate our ideas.
If my side looses, I'll get to sit back and laugh (even if from beyond the grave) as your own side eliminates you as part of their new "scientific" world order.
So true. This is why when we try to "free" people with no (or a fucked up) moral and religious tradition it never works...
This is quite disturbing. Place this standard of living on yourself a well. Someone just has to decide that at some point in time you have fallen short to their standard of value before they put a bullet between your eyes. I don't see how any country could exist in peace with a viewpoint where everyone is a judge and executioner of their fellow countrymen based on arbitrary feelings of value.
We can always run some statistics on your life and see if you aren't a burden relative to someones opinion. If you fall short of the bar, regardless of how you feel, tough luck. To the gallows!
It's not like people have ever overcome terrible circumstances or had a turning point in their life where they change and become an upstanding member of society. Pretty sure history has no examples of this. Better to just kill everyone before they make a mistake.
Human rights are fucked up the world over. One less asshole I have to face on the battlefield or my kids or their kids do, the better.
Humans fuck and no amount of attempts to moralize will change that. 2 million years of evolution is going to win over some clown telling people not to fuck. Absetence, like prohibition doesn't work. It just creates more 2nd and 3rd order effects and provides criminals a great business model.
Which is the reason we should be killing the enemies of society wholesale, and not trying to win over their hearts and fucked up cultures. The sooner Western Civilization realizes it's in a battle for it's survival, the quicker this happens. And that's exactly why if we can prevent 3rd world shit heads and Democrat scun from breeding, we have a better chance at winning that fight.
Out of all the unwanted children who are born what percentage do you think are conservative and which are liberal/socialist? Even my buddy who defied all odds as an orphan and went on to a successfull career in LE and is about to retire from the AF, leans left. He is the one out of 20 who didn't become a drug addict/criminal/welfare leech that people would use to justify a ban on abortions.
Now calculate the cost/benefit to society and even with that one out of 20 being a superstar.... Society deals with a much greater burden and cost from the other 19.
Personnel freedom intersects with what's best for society. From the personnel freedom side I shouldn't have to pay for another human or their poor decision making. From society viewpoint, if they aren't protective members and aren't self sustainable then they are a detriment from society. If we're gonna let all these unwanted crotch fruit be born, atleast deport them or make use of them. We aren't going to get off this planet and advance as a society until we start making smart choices and stop wasting resources on stupid bullshit.
Humans are pack animals. We are tribal and at the end of the day you can have personal liberty while still doing what's best for society as a whole. I think most of us would argue most personnel liberties consistent with our founding, would in fact benefit society. The whole what doesn't pick my pocket or break my legg quote comes to mind. Guns make society safer as does allowing liberal use of self defense against criminals. What your proposing both picks my pocket and breaks my legg. A fetus's rights should always come second to the personnel freedom of the adult who carries it. It's the only logical approach. Don't like it? Well it's not your place to say. You have zero right to dictate what someone else does with their body and their personal freedom Trump's your feels.
The part you are missing is not moralizing it as much as hold them accountable as adults.
Stop rewarding fucking/babies monetarily and you'll get less.
As I'm specifically talking about the US the rest is irrelevant.
I'm more pro birth control prior to conception than abstinence.
The 2 million years of evolution includes recognizing basic human rights.
R
And it's rights are secondary to the mother/host.
It's incredibly nieve to try and force your principles and morality on someone else who obviously doesn't share the same principles.
In fact I would argue that someone who has an unwanted child is more selfish and hurting society moreso as they most likely cannot afford this burden. It picks my pocket as a taxpayer therefore it infringes on my personal rights. Society gets little to no benefit like they do with say defense/roads/infastructure and the cycle continues.
It's incredibly nieve to try and force your principles and morality on someone else who obviously doesn't share the same principles.
In fact I would argue that someone who has an unwanted child is more selfish and hurting society moreso as they most likely cannot afford this burden. It picks my pocket as a taxpayer therefore it infringes on my personal rights. Society gets little to no benefit like they do with say defense/roads/infastructure and the cycle continues.
So have you told your buddy that while you like him, you truly think he doesn't have a right to exist because he comes from "bad stock" and he should have never been allowed to live because by your "statistics" somehow "Society" would be better off if him and everyone like him were never allowed to exist because their parents weren't the right wealth/status/caste/race?? Because that is EXACTLY what you are saying in so many words.
Let me know how that conversation goes with him. You might find he comes to the conclusion the world would have been better off if you would have been aborted instead of him.
Take that further, what if the mothers of these supposed going to be a burden to society children do not want to abort their babies because some great "thinkers" like you decide their babies would be a burden to society? Are you going to forcibly kill their babies or forcibly make them unable to have children. Do they not deserve their own choice as well? What if they want to have the child & hope that eventually even though they have bad lives one of their children will get out of the slum and lead a great life?
Or is that not an option to them in your great ideas where the elite pick what happens to the rest of humanity?
(Hint, that has been done often by both groups that were recognized as horrible and well meaning SJW type Progressives. Canada is just now having to deal with coming to terms with their own sins in that matter against native people).
The problem with your statement is that you mistake the whole idea of personal freedom.
Parents don't "Own" children, rather parents are the Guardians & Protectors of their children and the ones with the primary duty to care for them and protect them as part of bringing them into this world, and seeing they mature till the point where they can reasonably & knowledgeably be fully responsible for their own actions and their own support. Good societies respect that and defer to the rights of the Parents to raise their children as best they wish, unless the parent's actions specifically are causing irreparable harm, suffering or death to the children in their care, in which case the children are removed and a new guardian and protector appointed. (Because there are a lot of sick people out there these days that really can't be the guardian and protector of a child).
In an actual free society, your rights end at the point where you actually start infringing on someone else's right. (Including any attempts to make you pay for the lifestyle of others against your choice).
The same people that advocate killing unborn children are the ones that are also suggesting that they should pick your pocket to pay for children who parents won't support. The rest of us believe that we do not "owe" support on anyone else, that is there matter, we of course are free if we individually or in groups wish to voluntarily provide "charity" to help those less fortunate for our own moral reasons, but firmly stand against some "government" taking our money at gun point to give to others. (The difference between a beggar and a mugger).
It's a matter of when a human is a human and much like the old discussion about slavery and race, (where there was much discussion that the Africans weren't "real" people genetically or mentally and many other such fallacies) in the end there is only one logically correct & moral answer. Just as all humans are humans and deserve freedom and liberty regardless of race, colour or creed.
So too each human has their own human rights and human self worth even if they are unborn. We don't let parents kill their children, rape their children, abuse or dismember their children after they are born. So why for example would a child have all those rights and protections if 30 minutes before they are born someone could go chop them up and kill them just because they wish. Can you say a child just born has all these rights but you could perform a partial birth abortion and kill that same child when they are half way out of the mother's body?
There is a bit of a difference in cases where if the pregnancy was to continue both mother and child would die. That is one of those cases where it's down to a personal decision and sometimes life is unfair and you have to save someone rather than letting all die.
It's not like birth control is expensive, difficult or unknown. Both temporary, instant and permanent options are readily available, including options needing nothing but don't put 1 and 0 together. So if you don't want to have children, don't create them in the first place.
Ok stop all forms of welfare and let babies and kids die in the street like they do in the rest of the world. I would 100% support this. Eliminate all forms of welfare and those that aren't either working productive members of society or have the financial holdings to support themselves can starve to death. Too old and didn't save enough for retirement? Move in with family or die.That includes social security and ssdi. Both are Ponzi scheme forms of usustainable welfare. Let's kaizen society. Make that happen then we can talk about personal responsibility and getting people to stop fucking for fun.
So what happens when 2 teens fuck. Legally they cannot even make a decision/choice. Do we throw their parents in jail? Do we ruin the lives of 2 kids who instead of getting an education now have to drop out to work to support a kid and take care of it? I'm sure they are going to become engineers and doctors. They legally can't make a decision but if they make a mistake they have to ruin their lives over it.
Kids being raised by kids is one of the biggest issues. Piss poor parenting and soft ass parents are why we have weak little fucks who in turn breed more weak little shits. Kids having kids having kids. Breaking the cycle is how this stops. More abortions will only make society better as a whole. Either less worthless fucks or productive people being able to plan out their family better.
1. You think only Black/white solutions exist, either all or nothing. As abortions aren't subsiding population growth what is the remedy?
2. The first question is why are teens fucking? We didn't ruin their lives, they did. Time to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for their actions.
I know of several successful folks who did just that.
3. As society has removed all moral accountability are we experiencing less? Who gets to decide how many abortions are enough?...
The best form of birth control is listening to a baby wailing at 2 am.
R
So either all lives are sacred or none are. It's incredibly hypocritical to say it's a a full human with rights EXECPT in a bunch of arbitrary situations that you deem as acceptable.
Why is the babies life worth less than the monther?
How does a rape victim baby have less rights than a consensual sex one?
So we can agree their is a heiracy of rights?
Why is the babies life worth less than the monther?
How does a rape victim baby have less rights than a consensual sex one?
So we can agree their is a heiracy of rights?
Interesting statement, but I'm going to debate that you are regurgitating Eugenic SJW propaganda without actually experiencing it.
You choose to assume that someone at some arbitrary age you pick or wealth level you pick is unable to raise children.
You also assume that having to care for children somehow is some big burden that "ruins" your life?
Having to get married and work hard to raise a family might actually be very good for some young people, pull them out of their stupid self centered ways and get them motivated. For most of human history, you'll find people started their own families at young ages.
Having to be responsible for another human being grows you up quickly and forces you to mature since you actions don't just affect you but affect people you are responsible for. It can also make you a lot more stable & careful which of itself can make you more successful.
These days people take education for granted. Perhaps if they had to fight for time to educate themselves in-between work and taking care of kids to better their and their families lot they would appreciate it. You'd be surprised how much education you can get in your limited free time if you are motivated.
Try having to fight for an education as best you can and then see how much that makes people appreciate it.
Many of my brothers & sisters wound up married fairly young, and while they didn't have this great "education" (or actually hardly any recognized education). So what did they do? Complain? Whine? Nope, both parents work hard and take turns, one stays home and takes care of the kids till they start school while the other works hard to support them. Then once the kids start school, one works and then goes to school, while the other works and watches the kids. First one gets the bachelors degree, they swap places and the other goes gets the bachelor degree, then swap again and one gets a master's degree, then swap and the other one works on a master's degree. All while raising highly motivated academically successful children. Before long with hard work, they have a very successful family, well to do, with children off in college studying for high paying careers. They may not be doctors, due to the residency requirements for the study, but they might be managing governmental medical services and their kids have the opportunity to be doctors if they wish.
Another person I knew well managed to put themselves all the way through vet school (which can be longer than entry level med school) while caring for 2 young children, as a single mother, including surgical and exotic specialization ratings. Then later moved to being a human hospital department head with a bit more study in later life once they were physically unable to do as much surgery on animals.
It's all about personal motivation, work ethic and proper moral outlook for the situation.
I was raising the children of others as a job when I was a kid, I'll tell you what, you want to learn, having to teach someone else will make you really study so you can keep ahead of them, as well as drill that knowledge into them. Pouring over books in your down time to create lesson plans, making your own concept teaching aides and such. It's also one of the most rewarding & long lasting things you can do.
So we just need to learn the lessons after they have ruined our lives. What a noble teaching lesson.
Abortion abolishists are in a state of coggnitive dissonance. Their agruements don't hold water and are not logical. How many of you anti abortion crowd are also atheists?
Life's best teaching often comes from the failures.
I don't believe abortion is an institution.
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