While we are bickering/sleeping, the enemy is actively working...

[SilentStalkr]

This was posted all over WeTransfer yesterday. Something as simple as this draws a lot of attention and plays into their handbook. Flash a lie before people, or repeat it if you will, long enough and they will believe it. The same thing is being done here. Where is the NRA? I'd like to personally know what 90% of the people they polled? Was it everyone in NYC? I don't know of one person that is kosher with this because they see it as just one more step and us giving that much more of a sliver of rights away.

I understand that Virginia is talking about a assault weapons ban for their state. We need to develop something similar to the above simply to send to the critters running the show in VA, of course this assumes you believe this even makes a difference. I go back and forth on that, but at least its something. As long as we sleep the enemy will continue to gain ground. Its as simple as that. Am I tired of fighting and talking about this shit all of the time? Of course I am, but I know every little effort counts for something. They are gaining ground and we are losing. Its time to take their tactics to them.

 

[_Windrider_]

 

[Sean the Nailer]

About the only thing missing is "the eating of young..."

 

[SilentStalkr]

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So, we are to just give up?

 

[_Windrider_]

So, we are to just give up?

Nope. Just need to wake up.

 

[candyx]

Raise your flags like the Sons of Liberty

 

[Nik H]

Nope. Just need to wake up.

Plenty of awake people out there that realize no amount of protesting, writing, calling, etc will do a fucking damn thing to reverse things. The other side has been indoctrinating people for a long time in extraordinarily subtle ways. There is no longer a point to being visible let alone conspicuous. Most of the awake are becoming more and more grey every day and for a simple reason.

Do you really believe that most of us give a fucking rat's ass what laws are passed. Makes no never mind to me and to many others that I know. Despite the rhetoric, the other side knows there is absolutely no possibility of disarming most of us. They would have to go house to house and that will never happen.....not in my lifetime.....not without significant ramifications. No politician is going to risk their cushy existence to try and forcibly disarm people. If things get to that, the gun grabbers will lose the support they now enjoy because of their soft spoken rhetoric.

Resistance takes many forms...they know that....worry not

 

[Holliday]

 

[ArmyJerry]

dont be pussies,,,,

 

[Maggot]

Thats not the half of it.

https://news.yahoo.com/welcome-jungle-dems-early-political-lesson-205822894--politics.html

 

[Nik H]

Thats not the half of it.

https://news.yahoo.com/welcome-jungle-dems-early-political-lesson-205822894--politics.html

She's nothing but a stupid cunt voted in by even more stupid cunts...she will be schooled for certain

 

[QuickNDirty]

Plenty of awake people out there that realize no amount of protesting, writing, calling, etc will do a fucking damn thing to reverse things. The other side has been indoctrinating people for a long time in extraordinarily subtle ways. There is no longer a point to being visible let alone conspicuous. Most of the awake are becoming more and more grey every day and for a simple reason.

Do you really believe that most of us give a fucking rat's ass what laws are passed. Makes no never mind to me and to many others that I know. Despite the rhetoric, the other side knows there is absolutely no possibility of disarming most of us. They would have to go house to house and that will never happen.....not in my lifetime.....not without significant ramifications. No politician is going to risk their cushy existence to try and forcibly disarm people. If things get to that, the gun grabbers will lose the support they now enjoy because of their soft spoken rhetoric.

Resistance takes many forms...they know that....worry not

I think that grey man shit needs to GTFO. The bulk of us have been off the radar forever. I think it's high time hundreds of thousands of folks stop being pussies and start encouraging millions of others to stop being pussies, nut the fuck up, and get to work earning their place in the land of the free and the home of the brave. Before it's too late to do that anymore.

And, I assure you. The fact I haven't been thrown in a gulag is proof positive that it is NOT too late.

Y'all need to talk to just about everyone in your cities and get on the same damn page, and vote for people that care about the constitution, and if there aren't any, find some, and get their asses to run.

It's actually pretty fun to have conversations with random strangers about shit that matters. I'm gonna throw up some videos starting in a few weeks to show y'all how it's done.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Knock out game for hipsters and libs.

 

[Lapuapalooza]

Comms and organization folks. Our side is bigger, badder and more capable of getting the job done. I think we lack comms and organization. Organizing Libritarians is like herding cats and all efficient methods of communication is controlled by the wrong side. IMHO...

 

[308220]

QuickNDirty is right. Start talking to your neighbors. To strangers. Tell them its time for their balls to drop and lets change this crazy shit.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Plenty of awake people out there that realize no amount of protesting, writing, calling, etc will do a fucking damn thing to reverse things. The other side has been indoctrinating people for a long time in extraordinarily subtle ways. There is no longer a point to being visible let alone conspicuous. Most of the awake are becoming more and more grey every day and for a simple reason.

Do you really believe that most of us give a fucking rat's ass what laws are passed. Makes no never mind to me and to many others that I know. Despite the rhetoric, the other side knows there is absolutely no possibility of disarming most of us. They would have to go house to house and that will never happen.....not in my lifetime.....not without significant ramifications. No politician is going to risk their cushy existence to try and forcibly disarm people. If things get to that, the gun grabbers will lose the support they now enjoy because of their soft spoken rhetoric.

Resistance takes many forms...they know that....worry not

Your weapons needs replacement parts, barrels, magazines, springs, I can go on and on. Once outlawed all of those manufacturers disappear and you won’t be able to get parts unless you make them yourself. Now I have access to some badass tools because of my dad but he is nearing 70 years old and looking to downsize. If something happens I don’t have room for all that badass shit at my house and their house doesn’t fit my family’s needs. Add in the fact that most people don’t have the ability to make such things and you can see how banning shit makes it banned period, despite anyone wanting to keep them locked in their closet. Again I say, a tool that can’t be used is not really a tool. If you can’t maintain it it may last a little while but not forever. Hell most .243’s and 6 Creedmoors last what 2600 rds, if you are lucky. That’s not a ton of Ammo. Think about it. If you ever had to actually use your weapon I think you’d find you might feel better if you had access to replacement parts, just saying. You can get by in the field for a little while but not forever.

 

[ArmyJerry]

for me to wear out a barrel or 3 in a civil war I would think it would be over by barrel number 2. thats assumng I only have one rifle.

 

[308220]

Comms and organization folks. Our side is bigger, badder and more capable of getting the job done. I think we lack comms and organization. Organizing Libritarians is like herding cats and all efficient methods of communication is controlled by the wrong side. IMHO...

Gun owners have no problem organizing for free lunches. But when it comes to a good pro gun protest, its crickets.

"I gotta work.."

 

[308220]

Your weapons needs replacement parts, barrels, magazines, springs, I can go on and on. Once outlawed all of those manufacturers disappear and you won’t be able to get parts unless you make them yourself. Now I have access to some badass tools because of my dad but he is nearing 70 years old and looking to downsize. If something happens I don’t have room for all that badass shit at my house and their house doesn’t fit my family’s needs. Add in the fact that most people don’t have the ability to make such things and you can see how banning shit makes it banned period, despite anyone wanting to keep them locked in their closet. Again I say, a tool that can’t be used is not really a tool. If you can’t maintain it it may last a little while but not forever. Hell most .243’s and 6 Creedmoors last what 2600 rds, if you are lucky. That’s not a ton of Ammo. Think about it. If you ever had to actually use your weapon I think you’d find you might feel better if you had access to replacement parts, just saying. You can get by in the field for a little while but not forever.

Thats why I shoot a 308 Exotic/fast cartridges arent for war. Those guys will be picking up an AR off a dead guy in no time. About the amount of time itll take to burn through only the ammo you can carry. Cause their sure as fuck wony be any 6 dasher ammo cans.

I have plenty of backup springs. Scope ring screws. And some extra mags. Mags last a long time.

 

[SilentStalkr]

yes guys, I know my example was a little over the top but my point is, if you can’t get parts it’s a de facto ban. Think generations from now. A .308 barrel is only good for about 6000-8000 rds. You guys think this would be over fast. I argue that it might not be if it got bad enough. You guys are thinking way too simplistic. Lots of supply goes into fueling wars. And don’t think for one minute if civil war broke out here there wouldn’t be tons of people moving to capitalize on the situation, with a quickness. We wouldn’t be fighting just the other side here. Then there is still the problem of identifying who the enemy is here on the homefront. Again, way too simplistic thinking here. It won’t be take out 100 peeps and it’s over.

 

[ArmyJerry]

they are still using first generation 140 year old repeaters rifles from Imperial Russia and Great Britain in Afghanistan this very day.

 

[308220]

yes guys, I know my example was a little over the top but my point is, if you can’t get parts it’s a de facto ban. Think generations from now. A .308 barrel is only good for about 6000-8000 rds. You guys think this would be over fast. I argue that it might not be if it got bad enough. You guys are thinking way too simplistic. Lots of supply goes into fueling wars. And don’t think for one minute if civil war broke out here there wouldn’t be tons of people moving to capitalize on the situation, with a quickness. We wouldn’t be fighting just the other side here. Then there is still the problem of identifying who the enemy is here on the homefront. Again, way too simplistic thinking here. It won’t be take out 100 peeps and it’s over.

If a WW2 sniper can get through the entire war with 1 barrel, I can make it through a civil war with my 308. If my 308 will take me to 6000 shots, that is 1000 bad guys easy. That is more kills than any sniper in history. It will be fast and furious at the start. Then the dumbasses will realize...."Fuck, we're all dying" and go home. They dont believe in their agenda enough to get their brains blown out. They like to talk. Thats it.

Even "shot out" barrels that were accurate to begin with, are good to 500-600 yards. Most sniper shots are within 600 yards.

 

[Maxduty]

Some of you fuckers and your replacement parts have never been to the Khyber Pass. You don't need machines to make guns. And I do support universal background checks. I go in to the store, pay for my suppressor, get a background check and walk out with it.

 

[ArmyJerry]

so where do you get your background check in the Khyber pass billy badass

Some of you fuckers and your replacement parts have never been to the Khyber Pass. You don't need machines to make guns. And I do support universal background checks. I go in to the store, pay for my suppressor, get a background check and walk out with it.

 

[Maxduty]

so where do you get your background check in the Khyber pass billy badass

It's responses like this that lead me to believe you ate paint as a child. If you're unfamiliar with the ability of goat farmers to build entire firearms from little more than shovels and car hoods, you might want to look into it before you spout off more ignorance.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Just chewy leaded paint chips. I may be ignorant but I aint the one giving my freedom over to a corrupt bureaucrat conducting
"background" checks that they set the criteria for, so you might want to mosey you stupid fucking ass back to the Khyber pass and play grabass with your goat herders.

It's responses like this that lead me to believe you ate paint as a child. If you're unfamiliar with the ability of goat farmers to build entire firearms from little more than shovels and car hoods, you might want to look into it before you spout off more ignorance.

 

[Maxduty]

Just chewy leaded paint chips. I may be ignorant but I aint the one giving my freedom over to a corrupt bureaucrat conducting
"background" checks that they set the criteria for, so you might want to mosey you stupid fucking ass back to the Khyber pass and play grabass with your goat herders.

LMAO. You already do, It's called a 4473.

 

[ArmyJerry]

I might have if I ever bought a gun at a store. But I don support that bullshit like you do.

 

[Maxduty]

Okay, AJ, buying guns from dealers is bullshit. I'll live with that.

 

[QuickNDirty]

Okay, AJ, buying guns from dealers is bullshit. I'll live with that.

Dude. Embrace freedom. You really don't have a choice.

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1OwxWOramlMxQ

Get over the nuanced bullshit and join us in saying, "No thanks, we don't want communism. We want freedom. We want sanity. We want the idea of America to live on."

In case you're too lazy to watch that video, H.R. 1 intends to give felons the right to vote (but not the right to keep and bear arms), and sets up automatic voter registration nationwide if you ever do something like get a driver's license.

If you really want to sit there and say, "No, I won't stand with you guys because universal background checks are a single issue for me.", then, frankly, you're making a huge mistake.

 

[Maxduty]

I'm currently watching the video, but you've got me all wrong. This bullshit of "but parts kits while you can" is what brought forth my response. Anyone can make parts from steel with a torch and file. All of the parts to make a shotgun can be bought at Home Depot or Lowes. This isn't time to spend money on gun parts, it's time to make your voice heard in the voting booths, except the players all are corrupted. Buying parts because they will soon outlaw them means you've resigned to the fact they'll be outlawed. I'm sure some like to purchase firearms from dealers, where a warranty means something, not some hood rat who may have stolen it. I have no problems with felons being allowed to vote (or restored their 2A rights, they've served their time), but to say you don't stand for background checks when you fill out a 4473 or send your form 4 paperwork in is suspect at minimum.

 

[QuickNDirty]

I'm currently watching the video, but you've got me all wrong. This bullshit of "but parts kits while you can" is what brought forth my response. Anyone can make parts from steel with a torch and file. All of the parts to make a shotgun can be bought at Home Depot or Lowes. This isn't time to spend money on gun parts, it's time to make your voice heard in the voting booths, except the players all are corrupted. Buying parts because they will soon outlaw them means you've resigned to the fact they'll be outlawed. I'm sure some like to purchase firearms from dealers, where a warranty means something, not some hood rat who may have stolen it. I have no problems with felons being allowed to vote (or restored their 2A rights, they've served their time), but to say you don't stand for background checks when you fill out a 4473 or send your form 4 paperwork in is suspect at minimum.

Glad to hear it =)

Like you say, the players are corrupt and the people are ignorant as hell. It's up to folks like us to turn the tide.

 

[SilentStalkr]

It's responses like this that lead me to believe you ate paint as a child. If you're unfamiliar with the ability of goat farmers to build entire firearms from little more than shovels and car hoods, you might want to look into it before you spout off more ignorance.

I’m familiar. Certain parts of the world are a Mecca for creating black market firearms from scrap metal. You shot your entire argument down. Maybe you were being a tad sarcastic in your response to the suppressor bit, but if black market scrap ghost guns are as easy as you claim to make/get, then why support a background check of any kind? Clearly it won’t do a damn bit of good. You stated that yourself. Sure we can all adapt and make shit out of scrap but frankly why in the hell would I want to do that? I live in fucking America, not some 3rd world shithole. If we let them go that far then we have already lost and you might as well turn your shit in. And this is precisely why we will lose every time. We can’t agree on shit.

I don’t mind a 4473 because where I live they already do a check on me with the pistol license BS. So I don’t even have to do one everytime I buy something as long as I have my pistol license, which is fantastic. The 4473 is a joke really. I mean sure let them do it, it’s not super imposing, but any farther will be. And besides, if I’m not mistaken I’m pretty sure all of the big shootings in the last decade or more were all done with weapons and people that passed their 4473, but go ahead give up more for nothing in return. That makes perfect sense.

 

[Maxduty]

I’m familiar. Certain parts of the world are a Mecca for creating black market firearms from scrap metal. You shot your entire argument down. Maybe you were being a tad sarcastic in your response to the suppressor bit, but if black market scrap ghost guns are as easy as you claim to make/get, then why support a background check of any kind? Clearly it won’t do a damn bit of good. You stated that yourself. Sure we can all adapt and make shit out of scrap but frankly why in the hell would I want to do that? I live in fucking America, not some 3rd world shithole. If we let them go that far then we have already lost and you might as well turn your shit in. And this is precisely why we will lose every time. We can’t agree on shit.

I don’t mind a 4473 because where I live they already do a check on me with the pistol license BS. So I don’t even have to do one everytime I buy something as long as I have my pistol license, which is fantastic. The 4473 is a joke really. I mean sure let them do it, it’s not super imposing, but any farther will be. And besides, if I’m not mistaken I’m pretty sure all of the big shootings in the last decade or more were all done with weapons and people that passed their 4473, but go ahead give up more for nothing in return. That makes perfect sense.

You're still missing the forest for the trees. Banks and businesses have already put restrictions in place. They did it without Congress. The background check is already in place my friend. It has been since I was young. It will not go way. If you'll note, I support the background check that allows me to purchase my suppressor and leave the store with it the same day. Not wait on someone to run another check on me. I have a CC license and a professional license. I'm pretty sure I don't need another "looking in to". Again, my response is to the chicken little posts. Regardless of what is being said, the sky is not falling. You go on to say the 4473 is not "super imposing" (your words), then what is? I watched the video and saw 38 minutes of Democrats saying nothing. The bill would incur too many democrat injuries to be passed, their Speaker one of them. The down side is, if you throw enough shit at a wall, some of it will stick.

 

[SilentStalkr]

You're still missing the forest for the trees. Banks and businesses have already put restrictions in place. They did it without Congress. The background check is already in place my friend. It has been since I was young. It will not go way. If you'll note, I support the background check that allows me to purchase my suppressor and leave the store with it the same day. Not wait on someone to run another check on me. I have a CC license and a professional license. I'm pretty sure I don't need another "looking in to". Again, my response is to the chicken little posts. Regardless of what is being said, the sky is not falling. You go on to say the 4473 is not "super imposing" (your words), then what is? I watched the video and saw 38 minutes of Democrats saying nothing. The bill would incur too many democrat injuries to be passed, their Speaker one of them. The down side is, if you throw enough shit at a wall, some of it will stick.

No I’m not. That’s my point entirely. It’s already gone too far. Trust me I don’t need any further looking into either but some of these laws are getting stupid. How far are we going to let them go?

 

[308220]

I'm currently watching the video, but you've got me all wrong. This bullshit of "but parts kits while you can" is what brought forth my response. Anyone can make parts from steel with a torch and file. All of the parts to make a shotgun can be bought at Home Depot or Lowes. This isn't time to spend money on gun parts, it's time to make your voice heard in the voting booths, except the players all are corrupted. Buying parts because they will soon outlaw them means you've resigned to the fact they'll be outlawed. I'm sure some like to purchase firearms from dealers, where a warranty means something, not some hood rat who may have stolen it. I have no problems with felons being allowed to vote (or restored their 2A rights, they've served their time), but to say you don't stand for background checks when you fill out a 4473 or send your form 4 paperwork in is suspect at minimum.

If voting REALLY made a change for the better now days, it would be outlawed. And where do you buy suppressors as easy as buying a rifle? Here in ohio the sheriff has to sign off on you buying a suppressor. And its about a year long wait.

 

[Nik H]

I think that grey man shit needs to GTFO. The bulk of us have been off the radar forever. I think it's high time hundreds of thousands of folks stop being pussies and start encouraging millions of others to stop being pussies, nut the fuck up, and get to work earning their place in the land of the free and the home of the brave. Before it's too late to do that anymore.

And, I assure you. The fact I haven't been thrown in a gulag is proof positive that it is NOT too late.

Y'all need to talk to just about everyone in your cities and get on the same damn page, and vote for people that care about the constitution, and if there aren't any, find some, and get their asses to run.

It's actually pretty fun to have conversations with random strangers about shit that matters. I'm gonna throw up some videos starting in a few weeks to show y'all how it's done.

I will honestly look forward to your videos.

 

[Maxduty]

If voting REALLY made a change for the better now days, it would be outlawed. And where do you buy suppressors as easy as buying a rifle? Here in ohio the sheriff has to sign off on you buying a suppressor. And its about a year long wait.

Regulations state that the local LE only has to be notified of the purchase, no approval needed. Per 41F:
Reverting back to the original good news, one of the positive facets of ATF 41F being introduced to our lives is the omission of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) certification signature requirement for individual applicants. This alteration removes the ability of law enforcement personnel to impede firearm enthusiasts from owning certain items, such as silencers and machine guns. Moving forward, a copy of the Form 1 or Form 4 needs to be submitted to the local CLEO at the time it is filed with the ATF.

And there are many younger voters driving this country today than there were 15 years ago. And I know about the wait, I'm at 7 months and change with the shut down.

 

[Nik H]

Your weapons needs replacement parts, barrels, magazines, springs, I can go on and on. Once outlawed all of those manufacturers disappear and you won’t be able to get parts unless you make them yourself. Now I have access to some badass tools because of my dad but he is nearing 70 years old and looking to downsize. If something happens I don’t have room for all that badass shit at my house and their house doesn’t fit my family’s needs. Add in the fact that most people don’t have the ability to make such things and you can see how banning shit makes it banned period, despite anyone wanting to keep them locked in their closet. Again I say, a tool that can’t be used is not really a tool. If you can’t maintain it it may last a little while but not forever. Hell most .243’s and 6 Creedmoors last what 2600 rds, if you are lucky. That’s not a ton of Ammo. Think about it. If you ever had to actually use your weapon I think you’d find you might feel better if you had access to replacement parts, just saying. You can get by in the field for a little while but not forever.

I have always advocated spare parts in my posts so you’re not saying jack that I don’t have in spades. I feel better about my inventory of parts than the amount of ammo I have

 

[Maxduty]

No I’m not. That’s my point entirely. It’s already gone too far. Trust me I don’t need any further looking into either but some of these laws are getting stupid. How far are we going to let them go?

Again, that bill will not pass. It's a feel good bill that they can say "we tried" about, but that's it. It encompasses too many things to be taken seriously. Any serious bill would include one issue, with riders for Congressional raises. It's like this shut down due to the wall funding. In the end it's posturing. Nothing will come of it. It's good to be aware, better to see the game they're playing.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Again, that bill will not pass. It's a feel good bill that they can say "we tried" about, but that's it. It encompasses too many things to be taken seriously. Any serious bill would include one issue, with riders for Congressional raises. It's like this shut down due to the wall funding. In the end it's posturing. Nothing will come of it. It's good to be aware, better to see the game they're playing.

That’s a side point. We are tired of the games.

 

[QuickNDirty]

I will honestly look forward to your videos.

Me fuckin' too, man. One of the donations I got from a kickass 'hide member went toward some of these with almost enough left over for Rx lenses for them.

I'm guessing once what I'm doing becomes 'popular' there's gonna be some REALLY pissed off people. Haven't made up my mind as to whether or not I should cover up faces and stuff, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

But, from the shit I've been hearing lately, folks have a lot to say and a lot of it ought to be heard.

 

[TheGerman]

I'm not sleeping or bickering.

I've been waiting for these faggots to show up.

 

[308220]

Regulations state that the local LE only has to be notified of the purchase, no approval needed. Per 41F:
Reverting back to the original good news, one of the positive facets of ATF 41F being introduced to our lives is the omission of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) certification signature requirement for individual applicants. This alteration removes the ability of law enforcement personnel to impede firearm enthusiasts from owning certain items, such as silencers and machine guns. Moving forward, a copy of the Form 1 or Form 4 needs to be submitted to the local CLEO at the time it is filed with the ATF.

And there are many younger voters driving this country today than there were 15 years ago. And I know about the wait, I'm at 7 months and change with the shut down.

$200 tax. Photos. Finger prints. Questionaire and forms are still bullshit. Plus the wait. And you still have a BANG with a suppressor. I really dont see what all the fuss is about with buying a suppressor.

 

[Maxduty]

$200 tax. Photos. Finger prints. Questionaire and forms are still bullshit. Plus the wait. And you still have a BANG with a suppressor. I really dont see what all the fuss is about with buying a suppressor.

I understand. But I have a bolt action that shoots subs. with a suppressor, it really just clicks when it goes off. Great for culling deer in a neighborhood without raising too much noise. I'm only thinking of my neighbors. And I hate wearing ear protection when hunting. My ears ring enough as it is.

 

[Blutroop]

I'm currently watching the video, but you've got me all wrong. This bullshit of "but parts kits while you can" is what brought forth my response. Anyone can make parts from steel with a torch and file. All of the parts to make a shotgun can be bought at Home Depot or Lowes. This isn't time to spend money on gun parts, it's time to make your voice heard in the voting booths, except the players all are corrupted. Buying parts because they will soon outlaw them means you've resigned to the fact they'll be outlawed. I'm sure some like to purchase firearms from dealers, where a warranty means something, not some hood rat who may have stolen it. I have no problems with felons being allowed to vote (or restored their 2A rights, they've served their time), but to say you don't stand for background checks when you fill out a 4473 or send your form 4 paperwork in is suspect at minimum.

You know what’s suspect about all y’all pro background check people?? I can tell you about someone that hasn’t ever even been charged with a felony or domestic violence that got a call from atf after waiting three days and picking up his .22lr rifle. The atf agent wouldn’t say, when asked repeatedly, that the individual couldn’t own a firearm, only that he couldn’t buy one because a pending misdemeanor charge 5000 miles away. Read up on people who got into a fight before shipping off to Vietnam and gets back, is a gun dealer, then all this time later battery is reclassified and he is no longer legal to purchase. The problem is with the system. They take and take. They never give back.. your never innocent till proven guilty.. if I can, I will never again fill out a form. I am law abiding... until I’m not. I’m not changing my views. It’s legal now to sell to a individual. It’s legal now to buy from a individual. If one person is a felon and he buys a gun from a individual, he is the one breaking the law, not the individual that sold to him. It sounds like most people on here know better than to trust out government? Yet people here are in support of a universal background check? I’m all about spare parts when I can afford. I know how to make my own stuff. I have old chemistry books old enough to tell how to make guncotton. MARK my words, if I get to needing a gun, when the time comes, I will be able to take it from the cold dead hands of someone who was pro universal background check.. I’m on their list already.. read the right wing radicalization report.. Thell get to you before they even find my fallback location. I bet y’all pro universal background check people also think everyone convicted of a crime is guilty and cops never falsify info? And did you read every line carefully on a 4473? What difference should it make if someone spends more than a year behind bars? I had a chl in Washington and Texas. Went from no wait no form to 3 day wait ever since a messy divorce. Have you ever went through the steps neccissary to get your legal gun back from police after spending a night in jail?? Absolute power corrupts absolutely.. do you really believe they get rid of all those 4473? Are you old enough to remember when they claimed to do just that.

 

[MK20]

@Maxduty , I DO NOT support universal background checks for several reasons.
1. It's my God given right, and I don't have to fill out a form with God to be armed, so what right does the state have to demand it?
2. Look at states like Connecticut that said you have to surrender all assault weapons and sent notices to those who had them. How do they know who had weapons? It is de facto registration, just not in a centralized database.

Now if they did something like print a drivers license in a different color for felons, etc. that would be the way to go. Show your DL at the gun shop, its the right color, and you walk out the door. No de facto registration form needed.

FFLs have to keep 4473 forms for 20 years and they must be surrendered to the ATF upon cessation of business.

 

[Blutroop]

@Maxduty , I DO NOT support universal background checks for several reasons.
1. It's my God given right, and I don't have to fill out a form with God to be armed, so what right does the state have to demand it?
2. Look at states like Connecticut that said you have to surrender all assault weapons and sent notices to those who had them. How do they know who had weapons? It is de facto registration, just not in a centralized database.

Now if they did something like print a drivers license in a different color for felons, etc. that would be the way to go. Show your DL at the gun shop, its the right color, and you walk out the door. No de facto registration form needed.

FFLs have to keep 4473 forms for 20 years and they must be surrendered to the ATF upon cessation of business.

I musta misread your comment. My apologies. Keep your powder dry.

 

[MosesTheTank]

they are still using first generation 140 year old repeaters rifles from Imperial Russia and Great Britain in Afghanistan this very day.

Their Ishapores are newer than many of their other Enfields and such...

 

[brianf]

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Break it down even farther...
Republicans (everyone non dem or left leaning), are too busy trying to be more republican than the other guy while the dems get on board and row the same direction as their speaker says.

That's why they get shit done (good or bad) and the bunch of shit kickers that are arguing about abortion for then last 30 years are getting their asses whipped every time a vote is needed in congress/senate. How do you have the numbers and still get nothing done.

Problem is these idiots are the last line of defense that we have because the country is breeding dems not repubs.

We are a dying breed.

The dems play the game very well, they only vote no when their vote won't count and the bill passes anyway. Some save face but their mission succeeds. Dems make a entry stack and take the room, repubs argue who is going in first and then argue about who goes left corner right corner.

Fucking joke!