Local "Poor Farmer" Featured in Washington Post Video

[Tucker301]

I've known this guy for years. Everyone in my area knows him, and we all know his game.

He was on the short list to be Obama's Ag Secretary in his first term.
He's married to a Native American woman, so the cookie jar runs deep.

I've been on this farm many many times. He raises some grain and a few head of cattle. It's generally run down and very poorly tended. He had a brooder operation for one of the large poultry companies years ago, but they shut him down due to his lack of attention to the operation.
He's actually a nice and friendly guy locally, but the politics and the gaming of the system are always prevalent.

Nearby there's another farm. Rich land that borders a primary river and lake system, making it very valuable not only as farmland, but as property for development.
That farm recently was about to go on the auction block, when out of the blue, this fellow comes in and lays down an offer.
I did some work a few weeks ago for one of the estate holders who was involved in the sale. They are all bewildered as to how he got the money or where it came from, but nonetheless thankful that an asking price offer was made.
If I recall, it was something like $2.3 million, for 560 acres.

So it begs the question - How does the poor farmer, who can't afford a few bushels of cover crop seed, depicted in this hit piece by the Washington Post afford to buy another farm worth millions?

The answer of course is bullshit, and lots of it.
There's no question in my mind that tax dollars are funding the venture.

 

[JimLee]

I once knew a rice farmer who owned two airplanes, he also claimed to be poor. Kinda like everyone in prison is "innocent".

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

His body language paints a different picture. His eyes and head seem to wander quite a bit when he's talking to the camera, there is not much for direct eye contact.

 

[krw]

I will tell you whats weong with Farming. The US Govt!! I am a Farmer/Rancher. I own cattle and have a Poultry contract. I borrow my money from local bank, i do not have a Govt subsidized litter shed or a subsidized disposal for dead poultry. I cood care less if the “Govt” ever opens up. I am for a Wall but was never stupid enough to think Trump cood have Mexico pay for it.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

I've got a number of members of my family who run farms as well as ranches that are far larger than this guy's. Over the generations, a large amount of infrastructure has been acquired, built, and purchased. There's been lean times, good times (a few) and "barely gettin' by" times. (Mostly)

It is 'farmers' like this that give the TRUE producers of this country (and yours too) a bad name. Look at the price of beef on the cooler, and compare that with the price that the rancher gets, at auction. THAT's where the real crime is.

 

[EddieNFL]

I once knew a rice farmer who owned two airplanes, he also claimed to be poor. Kinda like everyone in prison is "innocent".

Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, oh
But when the taxman comes to the door
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yes
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no millionaire's son, no
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate one, no

 

[krw]

But, mayb to clarify above post. It was not fair to have Farmers that looked at futures bd and made business decision on what and how much to plant. Then have govt pik trade fight with China and watch their prices drop. Some on this bd are a lot better informed on production costs of beans, corn, cotton, and rice. But it is expensive to get a crop put in. The rice farmer mentioned above looks at the planes no different than combines or tractors. It is just pc of equip

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

I've got a number of members of my family who run farms as well as ranches that are far larger than this guy's. Over the generations, a large amount of infrastructure has been acquired, built, and purchased. There's been lean times, good times (a few) and "barely gettin' by" times. (Mostly)

It is 'farmers' like this that give the TRUE producers of this country (and yours too) a bad name. Look at the price of beef on the cooler, and compare that with the price that the rancher gets, at auction. THAT's where the real crime is.

You mean that JBS is a problem. Batista family are good, honest American businessmen. Oh wait..........not from America and not honest. My bad.

 

[JimLee]

But, mayb to clarify above post. It was not fair to have Farmers that looked at futures bd and made business decision on what and how much to plant. Then have govt pik trade fight with China and watch their prices drop. Some on this bd are a lot better informed on production costs of beans, corn, cotton, and rice. But it is expensive to get a crop put in. The rice farmer mentioned above looks at the planes no different than combines or tractors. It is just pc of equip

Nah, they were purely for recreational purposes by his own admission, you don't crop dust rice and any survey work he needed he paid a helicopter outfit to do. I will further quantify my post by pointing out that he (along with a bunch of other farmers in that area) would dump his harvest on the side of the road the second the price the refinery was paying dropped below what he could get for crop insurance, even if the refinery price was still at a good profit. At the end of harvest time you would drive around the town and there would be these mountains of rice all over the place, good food just rotting on the side of the road until the state came and cleaned them up at taxpayer expense. He also told me about how many farmers in the area grew without ever intending to harvest as either subsidies or insurance was a guaranteed good payout. I'm wasn't insinuating that all farmers are dishonest about their operations, just pointing out that I have met some who absolutely are.

 

[Veer_G]

Tribal money?

 

[Rthur]

Interesting story Tuck.
He is a piker compared to what is in my locale.
This local crew defrauded the program in the 10s of millions.
DOJ even came in to prosecute.
They were using their hired men to sign up for the programs and charging "rent/custom fees" that was basically the total of monies received.
Ended up with a 5.5 million dollar slap on the hand.
Should've been closer to 20 according to my sources.
First thing they did after it was said and done was buy a few hundred acres at 14k/acre or better to send a message.
Everone hears these stories and concludes they are all on the take.

R

 

[Sean the Nailer]

You mean that JBS is a problem. Batista family are good, honest American businessmen. Oh wait..........not from America and not honest. My bad.

What????

 

[Tucker301]

I just texted the family member of the farm he's buying. Closing got pushed out until the 24th. I guess he's waiting for that gubbamint check to help pay the closing costs. What a fucking joke!

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

What????

You mentioned the real crime was the cattle price. I agree it is messed up. JBS is the worlds largest as well as the US largest meat packer. They are the reason the cattle margin is so disproportional. The Batista family has had it's dirty hands into the commodities market and flexed it enough to leverage cash price in their favor. Packers own a large percentage of feedyards at this point and own more cattle on feed than what is reported to USDA. I am fully convinced that their corruption goes deep into the Obama administration. Sorry I got away from OP but that is why your cattle prices versus counter meat price is so great.

By the way your original response was spot on. I wasn't arguing any of it. It's Just that the beef prices have affected me a lot in the last couple of years......and not in a good way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joesley_Batista

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JBS_S.A.

 

[ArmyJerry]

Ethanol in gasoline driving up feed prices and food prices.

 

[Tucker301]

I spoke with another bean farmer this afternoon. He said he's seen the video and found it to be hilarious. You don't get the gov check until you've harvested and sold all of your crop. Since that can be months after you should have sowed the wheat, it's "pretty fucking stupid" to rely on that money to pay for your winter seeds.

 

[DuneBoer]

I spoke with another bean farmer this afternoon. He said he's seen the video and found it to be hilarious. You don't get the gov check until you've harvested and sold all of your crop. Since that can be months after you should have sowed the wheat, it's "pretty fucking stupid" to rely on that money to pay for your winter seeds.

Tucker,

What is this guys Farms name? You can look up how much money he gets from uncle on this data base. It may be under his name or the name of the farm or both. SUBSIDY DATA BASE

Looks like he got some tobacco subsidy years ago.

 

[ArmyJerry]

lets look that fucktard up Tuck

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

I am trying to figure out why he is still harvesting 2018 soybeans this late. Either this was made way back in October in preparation for a shutdown or he has no motivation to be done. His dollar amount doesn't equal very many acres. I am guessing he has daytime job.
This video has so many holes in it I don't know where to even start. Adding to that the fact he is a minority farmer he already has a free ride from FSA and NRCS programs.

 

[wildcats]

Tribal money?

 

[Tucker301]

I've already looked him up. He gets dammed little there. I think he's playing on a completely different level. Is there a reparations database?

 

[DuneBoer]

I tried to see if he got a bunch of $$ from Small Business Administration but the site isn’t working because of the shutdown. If his wife is Indian (feather not dot) then the farm/ business may be all under her name so they can get better rates and other perks.

 

[deersniper]

I will tell you whats weong with Farming. The US Govt!! I am a Farmer/Rancher. I own cattle and have a Poultry contract. I borrow my money from local bank, i do not have a Govt subsidized litter shed or a subsidized disposal for dead poultry. I cood care less if the “Govt” ever opens up. I am for a Wall but was never stupid enough to think Trump cood have Mexico pay for it.

All the hoops they make you jump through and the other bs they do? Then they want to take half your estate when you die? All the paid for market interference you deal with?

I'd get the litter shed, the chemical containment/sprayer shed and whatever else you can out of them.

 

[mcfred]

Just for perspective, dollar values in the millions today is chump change when it comes to farming.

I've got some family in the ag business. In my experience farmers are "cash poor," but they have some a lot of equity in land, running huge operating loans, huge depreciation schedules and a ton of tax write-offs and deductions. Crop insurance can bail them out when there's a crop failure or the market tanks assuming they bought some; frequently there's "relief" (government assistance) after some natural disaster or another which is just another bailout.

If farmers own productive farm land then they'll mortgage it to secure funding to rent more land, plant, harvest, buy equipment, hire help or otherwise expand the business, afterall, if you have 500 acres then it isn't that much different to farm 1000 acres assuming all the property's contiguous with economies of scale being what they are. Banks are all too happy to lend money if the farmer has collateral.

After the 2008 economic collapse midwest farmland was selling at auction for up to $14,000 an acre cash. I think it's more like $8,000 an acre now but still when it comes to money a measly 125ac "farm" has $1,000,000 worth of equity. That is money that could be very profitable if put to use, so many many farmers will leverage themselves to make a buck (it'd be stupid not to, right?). For the last 20 years, farming has been extremely profitable, less so today with raising interest rates and depressed commodity prices. If you haven't had a bad year since the 1980s then you might not have a conservative financial mindset (*cough* 1980s savings/loan and farm crisis *cough*) and one failure means you're going to lose and lose big.

Farming is risky. Some people suck at gambling and others suck at running a business. There's always some sob story and many farmers who have been doing it a long while have relied heavily on government subsidies, cheap government loans, relief and other bailouts to keep in operation. A "Democratic" administration will aid farmers to expand. The current Executive branch can be perceived as a threat to all that.

2¢

 

[deersniper]

Nah, they were purely for recreational purposes by his own admission, you don't crop dust rice and any survey work he needed he paid a helicopter outfit to do. I will further quantify my post by pointing out that he (along with a bunch of other farmers in that area) would dump his harvest on the side of the road the second the price the refinery was paying dropped below what he could get for crop insurance, even if the refinery price was still at a good profit. At the end of harvest time you would drive around the town and there would be these mountains of rice all over the place, good food just rotting on the side of the road until the state came and cleaned them up at taxpayer expense. He also told me about how many farmers in the area grew without ever intending to harvest as either subsidies or insurance was a guaranteed good payout. I'm wasn't insinuating that all farmers are dishonest about their operations, just pointing out that I have met some who absolutely are.

Someone fed you a line of bs
The only thing that makes sense to the leaving rice on the side of the road is if it gets condemned due to flood (sewage) water
Crop insurance wouldn't pay for all the dumped bushels.

I hate crop ins FYI but that story smells

 

[wildcats]

I tried to see if he got a bunch of $$ from Small Business Administration but the site isn’t working because of the shutdown. If his wife is Indian (feather not dot) then the farm/ business may be all under her name so they can get better rates and other perks.

Very good point

 

[deersniper]

Ethanol in gasoline driving up feed prices and food prices.

Ethanol has distillers grains that are left over and fed to cattle so it's not quite as bad as you think
Corn goes in and alcohol and cow feed comes out.

 

[packratt]

I am trying to figure out why he is still harvesting 2018 soybeans this late. Either this was made way back in October in preparation for a shutdown or he has no motivation to be done. His dollar amount doesn't equal very many acres. I am guessing he has daytime job.

The weather really FUBARd the harvest. We had >170 days of rain last year. We were lucky to get 3 days in a row without rain. It's been difficult to get the ground dry enough for the equipment and the crops to be dry enough to combine. Haven't been out in the areas with the bean fields but they was a little dry stretch after Christmas and the combines were out. I know of corn fields that havent been harvested yet.

 

[ArmyJerry]

why cant I find a fucking corn muffin anywhere anymore, its all going into the gas. basterds, miss my corn muffin split with butter and grilled on the griddlee (almost corrected the SP but you know who with get a blood vessel kick out of it)

Ethanol has distillers grains that are left over and fed to cattle so it's not quite as bad as you think
Corn goes in and alcohol and cow feed comes out.

 

[Rthur]

why cant I find a fucking corn muffin anywhere anymore, its all going into the gas. basterds, miss my corn muffin split with butter and grilled on the griddlee (almost corrected the SP but you know who with get a blood vessel kick out of it)

Try this:

These two mixed together make great cornbread.
Only kind we'll have in my house.

R

 

[ArmyJerry]

I am talking at a deli or even Dunkin Frikken Donuts no more corn muffins,

 

[Veer_G]

why cant I find a fucking corn muffin anywhere anymore, its all going into the gas. basterds, miss my corn muffin split with butter and grilled on the griddlee (almost corrected the SP but you know who with get a blood vessel kick out of it)

Shouldn't you still be smoking your cigarette?

 

[Rthur]

I am talking at a deli or even Dunkin Frikken Donuts no more corn muffins,

Mostly wheel chocks in my experience...

R

 

[Tucker301]

A friend who runs a local tavern just messaged me. Said there's a German film crew eating dinner in his place. Tomorrow the go John Boyd's farm to do a story on him. SMDH

 

[Veer_G]

Mostly wheel chocks in my experience...

R

Nah. Grilled muffins are primo. And you ain't lived until you've had a NYC hard roll with butter, or a fresh bagel with a schmear.

 

[ArmyJerry]

he should tell them that farmer is part of the local nazi party known as antifa

A friend who runs a local tavern just messaged me. Said there's a German film crew eating dinner in his place. Tomorrow the go John Boyd's farm to do a story on him. SMDH

 

[mheimer_45]

If your totals are correct that’s only $4,100 an acre. Any banker worth two shits will give you that. Around here farm ground goes for twice as much and as long as you have assests you’ll get it.

 

[JimLee]

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Someone fed you a line of bs
The only thing that makes sense to the leaving rice on the side of the road is if it gets condemned due to flood (sewage) water
Crop insurance wouldn't pay for all the dumped bushels.

I hate crop ins FYI but that story smells

I watched it happen for two years living on that farm, and it's not like crop insurance fraud cases are hard to find if you google it. But hey you don't have to believe me, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.

 

[deersniper]

I watched it happen for two years living on that farm, and it's not like crop insurance fraud cases are hard to find if you google it. But hey you don't have to believe me, everyone is entitled to their own beliefs.

I'm still trying to understand the angle of dumping salable grain on the ground. That doesn't help you with crop insurance.
Still leaning to it being flood damaged crop. But then they wouldn't harvest it.

What do they gain by harvesting the crop then dumping it?

Oh and each time you have a insurance claim you're coverage (payout) goes down drastically.

 

[JimLee]

I'm still trying to understand the angle of dumping salable grain on the ground. That doesn't help you with crop insurance.
Still leaning to it being flood damaged crop. But then they wouldn't harvest it.

What do they gain by harvesting the crop then dumping it?

Oh and each time you have a insurance claim you're coverage (payout) goes down drastically.

I imagine selling it and then claiming it would increase the chances of being caught. I didn't pry him for alot of details, the more shady shit I found out about the less I wanted to know.

 

[SilentStalkr]

I will tell you whats weong with Farming. The US Govt!! I am a Farmer/Rancher. I own cattle and have a Poultry contract. I borrow my money from local bank, i do not have a Govt subsidized litter shed or a subsidized disposal for dead poultry. I cood care less if the “Govt” ever opens up. I am for a Wall but was never stupid enough to think Trump cood have Mexico pay for it.

Anyone that believed Mexico was going to write a direct check to pay for the wall after Trump made that comment completely misunderstood what he was talking about. It was a figure of speech. He didn’t mean they would pay for it right off the bat, up front. What he meant was that they would pay for it through trade agreements and money not funneling to them via other means.

 

[pmclaine]

Google the "Pigford" settlements made right after Obam became POTUS.

Basically an installment on reperations payments via your tax money.

You neighbor probably made a good buck.

Here Ill save the Google

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/breitbart-was-right-about-pigford-case/

 

[deersniper]

I imagine selling it and then claiming it would increase the chances of being caught. I didn't pry him for alot of details, the more shady shit I found out about the less I wanted to know.

Not to be argumentative but that doesn't make any sense. if your guarantee is 100 bushels per acre
And the field makes 70 you would get paid for 30 bushel. If it makes 100 it doesn't make any sense to dump it in the field and claim ins. Then your future coverage goes down.
And if the field makes 110, you haul that to the elevator and your coverage goes up for the next year.

The fraud I read about is not planting fields and getting paid for them. Or shifting production from one county to another so you have a claim in the first county

 

[JimLee]

Not to be argumentative but that doesn't make any sense. if your guarantee is 100 bushels per acre
And the field makes 70 you would get paid for 30 bushel. If it makes 100 it doesn't make any sense to dump it in the field and claim ins. Then your future coverage goes down.
And if the field makes 110, you haul that to the elevator and your coverage goes up for the next year.

I'm no expert on crop insurance (I do know it is federally subsidized which is absolute bullshit), I just know what the rice farmer who's farm I was living on in 2011 told me.

 

[Rthur]

Not to be argumentative but that doesn't make any sense. if your guarantee is 100 bushels per acre
And the field makes 70 you would get paid for 30 bushel. If it makes 100 it doesn't make any sense to dump it in the field and claim ins. Then your future coverage goes down.
And if the field makes 110, you haul that to the elevator and your coverage goes up for the next year.

The fraud I read about is not planting fields and getting paid for them. Or shifting production from one county to another so you have a claim in the first county

You just described Corn Base 101 of the insurance game.

R

 

[JimLee]

I'm not sure what the difference in the "game" is, but a quick google search finds a bunch of cases like this where people are purposely destroying their products. Once again, i'm no farmer and not well versed on crop insurance. i was just pointing out a story about some sketchy shit I saw living on another guys farm and what he told me.

Edit: Sorry, wrong hypelink, this ones the story: https://www.agweb.com/article/broth...fraud-in-spoiled-spuds-case-associated-press/

 

[Tucker301]

Google the "Pigford" settlements made right after Obam became POTUS.

Basically an installment on reperations payments via your tax money.

You neighbor probably made a good buck.

Here Ill save the Google

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/breitbart-was-right-about-pigford-case/

I figured someone would make the connection eventually.
That's the same guy.

https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/28/us/black-farmers/index.html

 

[wildcats]

I wonder

I figured someone would make the connection eventually.
That's the same guy.

https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/28/us/black-farmers/index.html

I wonder how much that judge got comped behind close doors

 

[Rthur]

I wonder

I wonder how much that judge got comped behind close doors

My guess, he was happy to do it for the "team".

R

 

[Tucker301]

I don't know why they didn't just load pallets of cash on a plane and drop on the fields.