Rifle Scopes Mil or MOA for my first FFP scope?
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Yea, at least she saved the funbags, but it looks like that fine ass was damaged in the fun-bag save. Anyone what to volunteer for inspection/repair duty /
Why don't we make this a sticky and the only default answer should be this.......
Are you going to be shooting with other people calling shots for each other?
No then it doesn't matter pick one and go with it.
Yes then pick what your shooting partners use weather it be MIL or MOA have fun shooting.
Are you going to be shooting with other people calling shots for each other?
No then it doesn't matter pick one and go with it.
Yes then pick what your shooting partners use weather it be MIL or MOA have fun shooting.
And it needs to be FFP unless you and your friends agree to always shoot at the same magnification level.
Don’t be sorry for asking, glad some gave you legit responses and sorry all the other Aholes felt inclined to bust someone’s balls for the hell of it
Nah, it's all good. They helped me make the decision to go mil.
Thanks everyone for the input.
Shoot me a PM once you get it up and running and I’ll help you develop your range card.
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Go MOA, it's way easier to convert to inches.
As soon as I left school I stopped learning new things, so for me MOA and inches are the way to go.
I find people in the Southern hemisphere tend to prefer metric and MILs, where as the Northen hemisphere inches are better.
I think it's due to the finer adjustments of MOA being more suited to the higher density altitude you are more likely to find in most parts of the Northern hemisphere.
As soon as I left school I stopped learning new things, so for me MOA and inches are the way to go.
I find people in the Southern hemisphere tend to prefer metric and MILs, where as the Northen hemisphere inches are better.
I think it's due to the finer adjustments of MOA being more suited to the higher density altitude you are more likely to find in most parts of the Northern hemisphere.
Lol, that’s total BS...
1 mil at 100 yard is 3.6 inches...why it that too hard to learn?
Here we go again, someone brought inches in here thinking it was somehow relevant...
You are a f’ng nut to give advice that is stupid at best..
If you are converting anything in PR, anything, you are doing it completely wrong.
-100 posts for your horrible advice
Edited to add: I have both types. But know how to use them, converting is not the solution on either.
It's interesting to see what people think they know. Move people off their home range, an out of their normal shoot regiment an many times what they think they knew now becomes questionable in their minds, once they see how others attack the challenge.
I am a NOOB as well and wished I had listened to folks who said MIL. I am learning as fast as I can, and spend a significant portion of time converting feedback from MILs to MOA as I read many fantastic threads on mindset and approach to this hobby/sport. There is nothing I can't do with my MOA scope, but I am living in a community that largely speaks MIL, and I am speaking MOA.
The best analogy for me is, I am a lefty golfer (I shoot righty so no problem here), and every time I read a piece of advice for improving my golf game, I first have to convert it to lefty (and don't screw it up), vs trying the advice and improving.
I purchased MOA and my next and future purchases will be MIL.
The best analogy for me is, I am a lefty golfer (I shoot righty so no problem here), and every time I read a piece of advice for improving my golf game, I first have to convert it to lefty (and don't screw it up), vs trying the advice and improving.
I purchased MOA and my next and future purchases will be MIL.
I think being able to self spot do to correct form, holds more water than what ret an knobs to use. I've learned riding the short bus does give insight at times,...
Then you have an irrelevant spotter.
Look buddy, its hard for some of us to get inches out of our heads. Like I said ever since I left school I aint ever learnt a thing, just working the farm raising cattle.
Inches are all I need and there aint no way im gonna learn the metric system when MOA and inches works just fine.
Call in the cavalry cuz I smell a $hit storm brewing
Most cattle men I know are very smart. Most growers even more so...
Thinking of angular measurement in inches or millimeters is completely doing your brothers a wrong...
Learn how to use your scope.. even if your are a MOA guy.. there in is the fucking problem.. moa guys seem to think inches on target are in play. That’s a conversion that means little behind the rifle.
What did Forest Gump say????
Damn, you may be onto something. With all the retardation in these sorts of threads its hard to keep track of the stupid for fun type guys versus the truly weapons grade stupid ones.
Why is MILs better then MOA if they are both just rulers?
Why would I want two learn euro trash metric system, when inches have been working for 1000s of years?
Feet and inches got us to the moon and back so they are good enough for my shooting.
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude. MOA has nothing to do with inches.
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This is where beetroot is coming from and this is the method that is still prevalent. We don't preach this here at all.
https://www.nssf.org/shooting/minute-angle-moa/
https://www.nssf.org/shooting/minute-angle-moa/
Don't be a fucktard and try to put that uselessness in someone else's head. If you don't know there is no shame in shutting the fuck up.
They are not rulers, they are angular measurements, the reticle is the ruler.
Three clicks of MIL roughly equals 4 clicks of MOA, thats the end of inches usefulness. After that it's what do you need to dial for your 660 yard shot? 15.16 MOA or 4.4 MIL's, its said easier to dial 4.4 cause you spin up to 4 then click click click click or 4.4 easier to keep in mind VS 15 1/4, I get that plus most everyone else is in MIL's. I shoot PRS with a MOA scope and hunt, silhouette & NRL rimfire with the same, it's no big deal. My next scope for PRS might well be MIL. All you have to tell the NOOBS is "get a MIL scope, its no big deal to get comfortable with, thats just where PRS is".
It’s funny how mils got popular, because of the ability to correlate linearly, yet now if anyone even mentions linear correlation they’re a rube.
If I dare enter this gauntlet..... 
I think the confusion about "inches" and MOA being connected arises from the assumption that a POI correction will be called or observed in inches. "You're 6 inches off to the right."
The reality is that there's no way that call can be made, unless the person making the call (spotter or shooter) can actually somehow SEE that it's 6 INCHES off. Unless the target is a known size, is marked off with a 1-inch grid, or has some other known length reference point, there's no way that call can be accurately made.
On the other hand, the only way the POI correction can be called in angular measurements is if the shooter / spotter has a reticle with subtensions that can be referenced in angular units (and it's properly calibrated - at the correct magnification in the case of a SFP scope). And in that case, it doesn't matter if it's MOA or MIL, as long as the two parties (shooter and spotter) are talking the same language.
I think the confusion about "inches" and MOA being connected arises from the assumption that a POI correction will be called or observed in inches. "You're 6 inches off to the right."
The reality is that there's no way that call can be made, unless the person making the call (spotter or shooter) can actually somehow SEE that it's 6 INCHES off. Unless the target is a known size, is marked off with a 1-inch grid, or has some other known length reference point, there's no way that call can be accurately made.
On the other hand, the only way the POI correction can be called in angular measurements is if the shooter / spotter has a reticle with subtensions that can be referenced in angular units (and it's properly calibrated - at the correct magnification in the case of a SFP scope). And in that case, it doesn't matter if it's MOA or MIL, as long as the two parties (shooter and spotter) are talking the same language.
I thought mils got popular because most of the reticles were mil based, and we were simply matching the turrets up to the reticle. 5 years ago there were not a lot of options the were FFP with matching turrets and reticle, that were not MIL. I would be interested to hear more about why MIL became popular based on linear measurements. Or are we talking about ranging?
This is really the second legacy rmyth - many new shooters “think” they need MOA and think the main purpose of the reticle is ranging...
Unless you trying to troll sure, mill ranging is faster..
But it is all but completely out of play for any precision rifle shooter. Still a good skill to know... but completely irrelevant because of the PLRF..
Drops and wind— using the same language and quickly shared information are what we use the reticle for today.
FYI most Benchrest guys who use MOA don’t even use subtensions - they use a duplex...
Mils are easier than moa when ranging, as most people forget you have to deduct that 4.4%. However moa is easier to break down in the ret for new guys. IPHY range math is much easier, as target size in inchs divided by ret subtention x 100 = distance to target in yds. Moa is target size in inchs divided by ret subtention x 100 but then you have to deduct 4.4% to be correct if you forget it much past 600 w/a 308 can be a easy miss. Mils is easier to teach most FNG's but, any of the three will work just fine. The rub comes when people do not understand how to self spot an must rely on others to do so, in that venue everyone needs to be on the same page. When your dealing with guys who know an can operate all three it's a none issue, but people will be people an bump chests.
With all the mil hype lately(I only say this because it seems to me that mil/mil is talked about a lot lately), seems to me that you can usually get the moa reticle and turret cheaper than mil/mil scopes. They usually go on sale first and for a better price that the mil versions.
Me personally, I just want all my rifles to have the same mil or moa just so they all read and adjust the same, that way i dont throw myself off zeroing scopes. No other reason really.
Me personally, I just want all my rifles to have the same mil or moa just so they all read and adjust the same, that way i dont throw myself off zeroing scopes. No other reason really.
