There’s zero difference in mil and moa when it comes to practical use.
I’m asking him to explain why he couldn’t use one or the other.
Typically if you feel like you can’t use one, you’re using it wrong.
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There’s zero difference in mil and moa when it comes to practical use.
I’m asking him to explain why he couldn’t use one or the other.
Typically if you feel like you can’t use one, you’re using it wrong.
If he prefers one over the other, that’s fine.
But his statement made it seem like he feels something is different from the other in practical use.
The next person to start this fucking retarded thread AGAIN.. needs a 30 day ban
You have a problem mate?
Its well documented that MOA offers finer adjustments, which is a BIG deal when absolute precision is a must.
I know firsthand SpecOP guys who got custom Leupold Mark 8s with MOA adjustments for 338 Lapua sniper systems.
As has been alluded too inches and the imperial system got us too the moon and back, designed the atom bomb and allows us to conquer the skie.
So take your Eurotrash Mils and stick them, as inches and yards are here to stay.
Not triggered. Just caught on to the fact that for all your talk you actually don't know wtf you're doing.
Laughing,... What ever you say,... laughing,...
You have to be trolling us. Good job for the lulz
Yea there's plenty of laughing going on......................at you.
But I'll humor you. Hell, I'll dare you. Explain to all of us why MOA or IPHY (IDGAF pick one) marks you as a real deal bad ass motherfucker who benches 300 and has 200 bow kills but mils are for wannbe pussies.
Take all the time and bandwidth you need. We'll be patient.
I also know how you looooove to deflect off topic. I won't let you.
Explain all this, your words:
BTW, I don't have a ballistic app on my phone. All my dope is in dope cards and in my head. But it's in mils.
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Tagging in for the funny trolling.
But on another note, what u use is a preference one is not better than the other. Something to keep in mind is what the rest of the people you’ll shoot with and learn from use? At the range I shoot, Mils are pretty much unanimous and it helps communicate easier for spotting and corrections. Occasionally we get some moa users and the correction usually goes like “you’re about 2 tenths low, left, high etc” not sure what that is in MOA.
Standardization has its place
But on another note, what u use is a preference one is not better than the other. Something to keep in mind is what the rest of the people you’ll shoot with and learn from use? At the range I shoot, Mils are pretty much unanimous and it helps communicate easier for spotting and corrections. Occasionally we get some moa users and the correction usually goes like “you’re about 2 tenths low, left, high etc” not sure what that is in MOA.
Standardization has its place
I too am curious why you couldn't make the switch. I have a feeling that you might be trying to do some unnecessary math or used scopes with mismatched turrets/reticle.
Whatever the case may be, and whichever you decide to use, I'd hate to see a fellow shooter reject a system due to not understanding it. Make the informed choice.
If you'd rather discuss via PM, let me know.
Am I supposed to be upset by that?
You tell him cuz. So sick of all these Mil cucks telling us whats what.
Us MOA boys don't need to prove shit.
All my bros run MOA and run it HARD and we ain't ever left hanging.
No one is telling you what’s what. I don’t give two fucks what you use. What I do care about is you perpetuating the bullshit that MOA relates to inches and MILs relates to metric. Stop talking that shit and we will be just fine.
As for your spec ops super snipers....just LOL.
L. O. L.
Claiming that shit doesn’t make you look smarter in fact it does the exact opposite. So respectfully as I’m trying to be as polite as possible and not derail yet another Mil v MOA thread, just stop with the imperial vs metric shit. It’s just flat out wrong.
Or perhaps he prefers to use MOA for the reasons he indicated. Not sure why anyone gets all spooled up one way or the other. Some people MOA. Others prefer MIL. I can use either and I have, but I still prefer MOA. And that's ok.
Look dumbass, I asked him to clarify because we try to help people on this site.
If he prefers one over the other, that’s one thing. But his post didn’t indicate that. It seemed that he felt one was easier to use than the other. Which would indicate he may possibly be using the systems incorrectly (very common).
I asked if he would explain his position in a an attempt to help if the case was that he’s not using them correctly.
But, as always, fuck me for trying to help out as people like you want to get in the middle of shit instead of letting the site work the way it’s intended.
.262 vs .36.
yep it's finer, you can't hold the difference but it's finer,
Of course, if you had 1/2 a brain and wanted finer, they sell .05 Mil scopes = .36 / 2 = .18" finer still
yep it's finer, you can't hold the difference but it's finer,
Of course, if you had 1/2 a brain and wanted finer, they sell .05 Mil scopes = .36 / 2 = .18" finer still
Why do some prefer an shoot 1/8 moa scopes?
I have a Nf comp on my fclass rifle with 1/8 MOA. For that purpose it can be nice having finer adjustments. Although I’m sure it be just a good with 1/4. Your adjusting to one distance and fine tuning to the X ring so speed etc isn’t really a factor like in other disciplines
For all other purposes that I do shooting I prefer 1/4 MOA.
I personally like my Athlon Cronus BTR the best right now. Memory serves me right it has 25 MOA per revolution 1/4 MOA adjustments
Hard to tell that is the case based on how a new guy's question has been utterly trashed in this thread.
Most of my MOA scopes (Leupolds) are M-3's (1 moa steps an 55 a rev) but it's easy to break the tree ret down to a quarter an smaller. The next is 1/2 IPHY both ways, but I also have 5 mil scopes that are 1/10. All that said I can break down a moa tree ret faster than any mil ret I've tried to date. Can work any of them but MOA is much easier as all my old TO&E data books list/listed everything world wide in yds/feet/ inches, which I can still do quickly on the fly. Given the choice an 50 years younger IPHY would have been perfect.
I’ll add my take and hopefully persuade the OP to make the right choice.
Whatever you choose, make sure the turrets match the reticle, then use the reticle for what it’s for, to measure. You have a perfect tape measure right in front of your eyes on target, you don’t need to know what angular measurement it is till you start cranking on the turrets. Now this is where my advice comes in.
When you look at that reticle you either have to think in quarters or dimes. If you see the shot on hashmark 1, 2 or 5 you need to figure out how many clicks to move your turrets.
I’ll do it another way, let’s pay for bubblegum & cokes
$.65
$.90
$1.00
$4.72
$9.12
This can also be your dope.
When you are dialing your dope or payin at the convenience store in quarters (1/4moa) or dimes(1/10mil), what’s easier to figure out?
Whatever you choose, make sure the turrets match the reticle, then use the reticle for what it’s for, to measure. You have a perfect tape measure right in front of your eyes on target, you don’t need to know what angular measurement it is till you start cranking on the turrets. Now this is where my advice comes in.
When you look at that reticle you either have to think in quarters or dimes. If you see the shot on hashmark 1, 2 or 5 you need to figure out how many clicks to move your turrets.
I’ll do it another way, let’s pay for bubblegum & cokes
$.65
$.90
$1.00
$4.72
$9.12
This can also be your dope.
When you are dialing your dope or payin at the convenience store in quarters (1/4moa) or dimes(1/10mil), what’s easier to figure out?
You can stop the troll now. We all had our laughs
OK, we get it MOA users are stupid and MIL users are the smart crowd. You've convinced me and I'm sure everyone else.
These threads always crack me up. MOA sucks...period. How many MOA scopes out there are actually true MOA and not IPHY or some crappy variation in between? Frank just tested an "MOA" Nightforce and guess what, it was actually IPHY. Explain that one.
Fractions are stupid, always have been, always will be. Base 10 math is easier, faster, and just better.
To the OP, just convert to MRAD. You'll be better off in the long run. A friend of mine was hardcore MOA, I convinced him to learn MRADs. He learned that fractions suck and base 10 IS better.
Fractions are stupid, always have been, always will be. Base 10 math is easier, faster, and just better.
To the OP, just convert to MRAD. You'll be better off in the long run. A friend of mine was hardcore MOA, I convinced him to learn MRADs. He learned that fractions suck and base 10 IS better.
It is worse than people realize. At distance, you have an equal chance to be exact with either mil or MOA.
For those that do not understand what I am saying, sit back and take the time to understand the logic and true world probability of not the total difference in the two, but 1/2 the difference of a single click and that difference.
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Shooters routinely call wind in 0.1 mil increments on the mil side.
I don't see many calling in 1/4 moa increments. It is usually 1/2 or full moa.
So is moa really a finer increment in actual use?
I don't see many calling in 1/4 moa increments. It is usually 1/2 or full moa.
So is moa really a finer increment in actual use?
Wind calls ≠ click value
OP,
If you don’t take but one piece of advice, please don’t let it be any part of the above dumpster fire.
Buy what you want, as Mil/Mil or MOA/MOA will get you to where you need to be. The important thing is buying a quality optic that tracks and has quality glass.
Personally, I can use either and have been issued as well as owned both Mil/MOA and Mil/Mil scopes. I strictly use Mil/Mil these days though and prefer them to a mixed optic (obviously lol).
End of the day, the dope behind the gun dictates the worth of the DOPE on the gun. An experienced shooter who is familiar with a Mil/MOA optic would be faster and more efficient than an inexperienced shooter running Mil/Mil. So no matter what, the equipment isn’t going to do you any good unless you’re knowledgeable and proficient with it. Too many shooters buy their way into the LR world and get by with spoiler shots in order to get on target. Anyone can walk rounds on and dial/hold until they get the hits they desire. Don’t be that guy. Buy what you can afford and learn it. Don’t be that guy who has owned the optic for more than a week and doesn’t know which way to turn his turret to move L/R/U/D (without looking) or doesn’t know what the value of one adjustment is at their current engagement range.
As others have said, anyone who tells you “I’m American I think in inches not that metric commie bullshit!” is not someone you want to take advice from when it comes to optics and angular units of measure lol. I guess I can’t think of inches while dialing on my Mil turret lol. Hell you can assign a value to cookies and boom, now your 400yd DOPE is 2.2 cookies instead of mils. Math hard. Me no like numbers. Numbers bad. Me sleepy.
Lastly, anyone who says they personally know SOF SEAL Sniper Ninja CIA SF Ranger Recon MARSOC Operator As Fuck Admin Legal Payroll Pipe Hitters that “use X because Y” in order to validate themselves (who arent of the randomly listed background) or their misinformed option/lack of knowledge/experience ...take all of it with no salt or water and just nod your head as you slowly back away. ...also, just because we’ve used something in the military or contractor world doesn’t mean it’s the best...at all.
Don’t take the smart ass remarks about you posting this question too personally. A lot of us are just frustrated because it’s covered just about every week and I think every other podcast frank reads a comment asking about it or references how it’s a weekly topic. Sure we can keep scrolling but you get caught between wanting to help but also wanting to vent because no one takes the time to use SH google.
However I’m sure you’ll get banned if you follow this post up with a post asking why your finger is slipping off the trigger while using your recoil-controlling bipods.
Best of luck with your purchase and venture into the sport.
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There’s a really good reason I see more of these
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I went threw the samething when i first started. I started with moa and kept the moa on my hunting rig but target mils is the only way to go fast dials and once you figure it out very easy i now can spot with my mil scope and help my buddy adjust with his moa. I was worried but pick mils and use it and it just cones to you like anything else
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As has been taught and reiterated to the point of white noise, MOA works but has its issue in that there really is no standardization. Can you make it work? Absolutely. You can do anything you want in the hardest way possible just to prove how badass you are.
I’m another that works in the world of inches and feet but you won’t catch me buying anymore moa scopes because I don’t enjoy doing things the hard way. Progress is progress and if you want use moa, good for you but you might as well go shoot black powder and use regulated moa sights that are the standard.
MOA=imperial and MILS=metric? Please provide scientific evidence, that myth has been busted.
I’m another that works in the world of inches and feet but you won’t catch me buying anymore moa scopes because I don’t enjoy doing things the hard way. Progress is progress and if you want use moa, good for you but you might as well go shoot black powder and use regulated moa sights that are the standard.
MOA=imperial and MILS=metric? Please provide scientific evidence, that myth has been busted.
Go to HOME PAGE, read article " so you want to buy a rifle scope " good read , good info, and will help you on your decision.P.S. welcome to the HIDE.
Yeah it's getting boring now, guess I'll have to wait till the next MOA vs Mil thread.
Page 3 is just around the corner, 442 this thing.
We can't leave now. We still need your enlightenment over us about how MOA scopes make you the real deal bad ass motherfucker that benches 300 and has 250 bow kills while mil scopes make you a wannabe mall ninja operator nancy boy.
Isn't one MOA adjustment equal to .25" (unless you have a scope that adjusts in 1/8 increments) and isn't one MRAD adjustment equal to .36" at 100 yards?
When we take these numbers out to 1000 yards, it's 3.6" vs 2.5" so the difference in adjustments at 1000 yards only a tad bit over an inch.
When we take these numbers out to 1000 yards, it's 3.6" vs 2.5" so the difference in adjustments at 1000 yards only a tad bit over an inch.
No. 1/4 MOA at 100 yards (typically one click on most scopes) is .261 inches because an MOA at 100 yards is actually 1.047 inches. So the difference would be less than an inch.
Yes.....kind of
Depends on if it is a 1/4 minute of angle or 1/4 of an inch. There are scopes that are both ways.
1 moa= 1.047" so 1/4 minute is .262
IPHY(inches per hundred yards) is 1 inch so 1/4 is .250
