So now she's the poor victim.........

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Two in the face is a sure cure
 
Omar has no love for this country, and even less for Israel and Jews. I resent her as a Justiice Democrat, and I resent her immaturity and her overblown sense of entitlement. She's correct, though, in asserting that Muslims, and those mistaken for Muslims, get zero benefit of the doubt, and in fact undergo mindless prejudice on the part of some.

I lay blame for the actions of the 9/11 terrorista, and all those who have taken up arms against us, on the individual actors themselves. I can not hate them all. Mardana was a Muslim and figured greatly in the early history of Sikhs:


I will catch grief for this, but I would be remiss were I not to defend the honor of a righteous, gentle man from a blanket generalization.
 
Bhai Mardana was not a Sikh by modern standards of Sikhi. He was friends with Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji from early adulthood. Yes, he accompanied Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji on his travels for some thirty years, and some would make the argument that he had become the next thing to a disciple (with some glaring instances of doubt and disagreement), playing the rabab and even making compositions that were ultimately included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Nonetheless, Sikhi requires an absolute rejection of all other religious beliefs, even in the most minimal sense. Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji buried the faithful, loyal Bhai Mardana according to Muslim practice after his death in Baghdad in 1534.

Religion is a source of constant friction in India and among the NRI. Many Hindus reject the notion of Sikhi as a distinct faith. Even the descendants of Mardana have a vague notion of a faith admixture between Islam and Sikhi.
 
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Few originals meet the current standards of the same thing- that applies to religion, politics, the press and just about everything else.

Yes India has the same issues ( and it gets worse the closer to Pakistan you get because they intermingle a good bit) and its not uncommon in those areas to have parts of various religions blended. ( you see that in the Caribbean a lot too)

That said, its intellectually dishonest to refer to him as a "card carrying" Muslim by the standards then or now.

Regardless of Mardana, that still doesn't alter the greater points regarding what Islam actually is.

Those are two different issues.

Islamic moderates have long been cowed by the opportunistic feudal nature of zealots concerned with personal gain and propagation of a foul, perverted version of the faith emphasizing external jihad to the absolute exclusion of the internal. Consider the destruction of the Sufi, seen as heretics because of their relative pacifism.

I didn't refer to Mardana as a card-carrying anything. Opinion as to his true nature is somewhat split. Liberal Sikhs are more accepting of the idea of Bhai Mardana as a disciple; had Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji been of the same opinion, he might not have been so scrupulous with his attention to proper Islamic details. Islam may allow for syncretism. Orthodox Sikhi does not, not even a trace of other beliefs. There are splinter groups, considered heretical by conservative Sikhs, who approximate our appearance but do not follow Rehat Maryada.
 
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It's interesting if you happen to go back and look at the historical records of the Muslim world in the 1950s
Outside of the insane Saudi folks it was a lot less insane.

I would suggest that without the Saudi influence and their money which gives them the ability to project religious power for their insane extreme brand of Islam, life in Muslim world would not be nearly as crazy as it is now.
 
It's interesting if you happen to go back and look at the historical records of the Muslim world in the 1950s
Outside of the insane Saudi folks it was a lot less insane.

I would suggest that without the Saudi influence and their money which gives them the ability to project religious power for their insane extreme brand of Islam, life in Muslim world would not be nearly as crazy as it is now.
It’s interesting when a non Sikh is getting told by a Sikh that he’s wrong and the Sikh is restraining himself.
 
It’s interesting when a non Sikh is getting told by a Sikh that he’s wrong and the Sikh is restraining himself.

Happens to me all the time. Folks that diametrically hate the idea of God quoting their idea of interpretations of sacred scriptures to tell me how I should be all peace, love, accepting of everything, meek and mild, not want weapons etc. It's a bit fun because then I get to explain how that's what some idiot taught them and I worship the angry God of slaughter, sacrifice and genocide... and love sometimes HA!
 
I hear you and I really expect those who deny to act that way but the one thing I find worse that that are those who "claim" to be of the Lamb but stand against everything He said.

Sorta like when unrepentant reprobate sodomites start pontificating specifically picked and altered points while totally ignoring those they don't like.

Of the Lamb?

I'm more like of the Paneer Butter Masala.

 
What i don't understand about Islam is, Mohammed had said he is not the messiah, There are more refference of Issa(Jesus) in the Quran than there is of mohammed. it is written in the Quran not to harm the children of Jacob, and Islam recognizes that the 2nd coming of Jesus will bring peace to the world. yet i don't understand the Moon god thing, the mohammed thing and the death to all unbelievers thing. what am i missing here.
 
Omar has no love for this country, and even less for Israel and Jews. I resent her as a Justiice Democrat, and I resent her immaturity and her overblown sense of entitlement. She's correct, though, in asserting that Muslims, and those mistaken for Muslims, get zero benefit of the doubt, and in fact undergo mindless prejudice on the part of some.

I lay blame for the actions of the 9/11 terrorista, and all those who have taken up arms against us, on the individual actors themselves. I can not hate them all. Mardana was a Muslim and figured greatly in the early history of Sikhs:


I will catch grief for this, but I would be remiss were I not to defend the honor of a righteous, gentle man from a blanket generalization.


I thought Sikhs and Muslims were oil and water?

Regardless educated people look at religion as personal beliefs not something worthy of hate and violence.

All religions have their zealots as well as believers that put their faith in proper context.

People should be "all in" on their chosen religion but if they truly believe its not for us down here to seek final judgement. Let your chosen God handle it in the after life.

That said all religions need to realize we live a "Civil" based earthly existence.

Gods laws certainly apply to your soul but as humans less than perfect we must live according to "civil laws".

Every religious person should kiss the earth of the USA and praise their God that they live in the USA.

Our civil laws as ultimately defined by the US Constitution protect and ensure your right to practice your beliefs unmolested.

Therefore accepting the COTUS as the highest authority for your earthly being allows you to worship as desired for the health of your post earth soul.

Any religion that would put its teachings in opposition to the COTUS is incompatible with the American way.

"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's."

Gunny Hartmann has a good understanding of the "here and now earthly" and the "here and later spiritual"......

 
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What i don't understand about Islam is, Mohammed had said he is not the messiah, There are more refference of Issa(Jesus) in the Quran than there is of mohammed. it is written in the Quran not to harm the children of Jacob, and Islam recognizes that the 2nd coming of Jesus will bring peace to the world. yet i don't understand the Moon god thing, the mohammed thing and the death to all unbelievers thing. what am i missing here.

You probably won't find a good answer.
But just console yourself with a bit of research.

Just because you worship the same God in an "Almost" identical fashion doesn't mean you can't get stirred up and go killing everyone that doesn't do it "Exactly" the way you want.

If you look back at the history of Christianity for the past 2000 years, there was huge amounts of killing & persecuting each other going on.
If you look back at Islam since the death of the Prophet, all the way through current events, you'll see endless amounts of killing and persecuting each other going on.

It's not just over religious matters, either, humans tend to like to kill & persecute and enslave each other over any small difference. Anything can really be an excuse, the region you live in, the color of your skin, which family you are from, what crops you grew etc.
 
The Christian God and The moon god of islam are not the same in anyway. Yes there's violence in the history of both but comes Jesus setting us to the true path... the teachings of Jesus begins and end with LOVE, letting whoever will believe that love is the one and only way, that the Almighty himself is LOVE, Jesus teaches his folowers to love and respect other religion, to handle hostility with kindness, and that the true sign of sign is in ones character of servant leadership so all others can follow. This is not the islam teachings. i have been doing a lot of reaching concerning the birth of Jesus and i realize the 3 wise men(scientists/mathematician/astronomers) were from the east, believed in the coming of Christ and knew the prophesied messiah has come to earth. Many muslim teacher believed Jesus could speak as a baby and he could take some sand and make living animals like birds. I honestly believe the Mohammed deceived them, make a religion out from pagan and Christian doctrines. Mohammed is turtured by spirits and instructed to write the Quran. IMO... Mohammed was not a true prophet. And I say that because, you see, the true prophet must receive a direct call from God, especially if he will be the founder of a religion. Mohammed didn't receive a direct call from God.
 
The Christian God and The moon god of islam are not the same in anyway. Yes there's violence in the history of both but comes Jesus setting us to the true path... the teachings of Jesus begins and end with LOVE, letting whoever will believe that love is the one and only way, that the Almighty himself is LOVE, Jesus teaches his folowers to love and respect other religion, to handle hostility with kindness, and that the true sign of sign is in ones character of servant leadership so all others can follow. This is not the islam teachings. i have been doing a lot of reaching concerning the birth of Jesus and i realize the 3 wise men(scientists/mathematician/astronomers) were from the east, believed in the coming of Christ and knew the prophesied messiah has come to earth. Many muslim teacher believed Jesus could speak as a baby and he could take some sand and make living animals like birds. I honestly believe the Mohammed deceived them, make a religion out from pagan and Christian doctrines. Mohammed is turtured by spirits and instructed to write the Quran. IMO... Mohammed was not a true prophet. And I say that because, you see, the true prophet must receive a direct call from God, especially if he will be the founder of a religion. Mohammed didn't receive a direct call from God.

You can say that fifteen times in a row (since you're up to two), and it still won't answer my simple question.
 
So, tell me this: why is it that Christian Arabs say "Allah," and not something else, for God?
Because The Christian God is an entity, not an idea. read the bible and you will see that God looks a mans heart. Allah is what he understands as the Christian God. not that he is correct but God knows his heart and that is all he wants from us. Yahshua but we call him Jesus don't we ? God the Father's name can not be prononce my human but we call him Jehovah, Don't we ?
 
Because from their perspective that's correct.

What you don't have is an understanding of the etymology and semantics of the word.

From the noun perspective ( with slightly different definitions based on regional dialect and usage) the noun "Allah" means divine omnipotent supreme being etcetera et al. At that level they can be used globally.

At the proper noun name or title level- they diverge into almost polar opposites.

Both have sub titles ( descriptive names) that are tied to various attributes but there's tons of them

Pardon me for being blunt, but I fucking well do. It pre-dates Islam and was in use by pre-Islamic faiths. It's the etymological basis of the Hebrew Elohim.
 
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Because The Christian God is an entity, not an idea. read the bible and you will see that God looks a mans heart. Allah is what he understands as the Christian God. not that he is correct but God knows his heart and that is all he wants from us. Yahshua but we call him Jesus don't we ? God the Father's name can not be prononce my human but we call him Jehovah, Don't we ?

You may, but I don't. I'm a Sikh. I call him Waheguru, if not opting for the more common word God. What differentiates us is more than just your belief in a Trinity, even though we have concepts of God as existing in physical, transcendental, and spiritual forms.
 
“Where is the graveyard of dead gods? What lingering mourner waters their mounds? There was a time when Jupiter was the king of the gods, and any man who doubted his puissance was ipso facto a barbarian and an ignoramus. But where in all the world is there a man who worships Jupiter today? And who of Huitzilopochtli? In one year - and it is no more than five hundred years ago - 50,000 youths and maidens were slain in sacrifice to him. Today, if he is remembered at all, it is only by some vagrant savage in the depths of the Mexican forest. Huitzilopochtli, like many other gods, had no human father; his mother was a virtuous widow; he was born of an apparently innocent flirtation that she carried out with the sun.

When he frowned, his father, the sun, stood still. When he roared with rage, earthquakes engulfed whole cities. When he thirsted he was watered with 10,000 gallons of human blood. But today Huitzilopochtli is as magnificently forgotten as Allen G. Thurman. Once the peer of Allah, Buddha and Wotan, he is now the peer of Richmond P. Hobson, Alton B. Parker, Adelina Patti, General Weyler and Tom Sharkey.

Speaking of Huitzilopochtli recalls his brother Tezcatlipoca. Tezcatlipoca was almost as powerful; he consumed 25,000 virgins a year.

Lead me to his tomb: I would weep, and hang a couronne des perles. But who knows where it is? Or where the grave of Quetzalcoatl is? Or Xiuhtecuhtli? Or Centeotl, that sweet one? Or Tlazolteotl, the goddess of love? Of Mictlan? Or Xipe? Or all the host of Tzitzimitl? Where are their bones? Where is the willow on which they hung their harps? In what forlorn and unheard-of Hell do they await their resurrection morn? Who enjoys their residuary estates? Or that of Dis, whom Caesar found to be the chief god of the Celts? Of that of Tarves, the bull? Or that of Moccos, the pig? Or that of Epona, the mare? Or that of Mullo, the celestial jackass? There was a time when the Irish revered all these gods, but today even the drunkest Irishman laughs at them.

But they have company in oblivion: the Hell of dead gods is as crowded
as the Presbyterian Hell for babies. Damona is there, and Esus, and
Drunemeton, and Silvana, and Dervones, and Adsullata, and Deva, and
Bellisima, and Uxellimus, and Borvo, and Grannos, and Mogons. All mighty gods in their day, worshipped by millions, full of demands and impositions, able to bind and loose - all gods of the first class. Men labored for generations to build vast temples to them - temples with stones as large as hay-wagons.

The business of interpreting their whims occupied thousands of priests,
bishops, archbishops. To doubt them was to die, usually at the stake.
Armies took to the field to defend them against infidels; villages were burned, women and children butchered, cattle were driven off. Yet in the end they all withered and died, and today there is none so poor to do them reverence.

What has become of Sutekh, once the high god of the whole Nile Valley? What has become of:
Resheph
Anath
Ashtoreth
El
Nergal
Nebo
Ninib
Melek
Ahijah
Isis
Ptah
Anubis
Baal
Astarte
Hadad
Addu
Shalem
Dagon
Sharaab
Yau
Amon-Re
Osiris
Sebek
Molech?

All there were gods of the highest eminence. Many of them are mentioned with fear and trembling in the Old Testament. They ranked, five or six thousand years ago, with Yahweh Himself; the worst of them stood far higher than Thor. Yet they have all gone down the chute, and with them the following:
Bilé
Ler
Arianrhod
Morrigu
Govannon
Gunfled
Sokk-mimi
Nemetona
Dagda
Robigus
Pluto
Ops
Meditrina
Vesta

You may think I spoof. That I invent the names. I do not. Ask the rector to lend you any good treatise on comparative religion: You will find them all listed. They were gods of the highest standing and dignity-gods of civilized peoples-worshiped and believed in by millions. All were omnipotent, omniscient and immortal.

And all are dead.”
― H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy
 
“Where is the graveyard of dead gods? What lingering mourner waters their mounds? There was a time when Jupiter was the king of the gods, and any man who doubted his puissance was ipso facto a barbarian and an ignoramus. But where in all the world is there a man who worships Jupiter today? And who of Huitzilopochtli? In one year - and it is no more than five hundred years ago - 50,000 youths and maidens were slain in sacrifice to him. Today, if he is remembered at all, it is only by some vagrant savage in the depths of the Mexican forest. Huitzilopochtli, like many other gods, had no human father; his mother was a virtuous widow; he was born of an apparently innocent flirtation that she carried out with the sun.

When he frowned, his father, the sun, stood still. When he roared with rage, earthquakes engulfed whole cities. When he thirsted he was watered with 10,000 gallons of human blood. But today Huitzilopochtli is as magnificently forgotten as Allen G. Thurman. Once the peer of Allah, Buddha and Wotan, he is now the peer of Richmond P. Hobson, Alton B. Parker, Adelina Patti, General Weyler and Tom Sharkey.

Speaking of Huitzilopochtli recalls his brother Tezcatlipoca. Tezcatlipoca was almost as powerful; he consumed 25,000 virgins a year.

Lead me to his tomb: I would weep, and hang a couronne des perles. But who knows where it is? Or where the grave of Quetzalcoatl is? Or Xiuhtecuhtli? Or Centeotl, that sweet one? Or Tlazolteotl, the goddess of love? Of Mictlan? Or Xipe? Or all the host of Tzitzimitl? Where are their bones? Where is the willow on which they hung their harps? In what forlorn and unheard-of Hell do they await their resurrection morn? Who enjoys their residuary estates? Or that of Dis, whom Caesar found to be the chief god of the Celts? Of that of Tarves, the bull? Or that of Moccos, the pig? Or that of Epona, the mare? Or that of Mullo, the celestial jackass? There was a time when the Irish revered all these gods, but today even the drunkest Irishman laughs at them.

But they have company in oblivion: the Hell of dead gods is as crowded
as the Presbyterian Hell for babies. Damona is there, and Esus, and
Drunemeton, and Silvana, and Dervones, and Adsullata, and Deva, and
Bellisima, and Uxellimus, and Borvo, and Grannos, and Mogons. All mighty gods in their day, worshipped by millions, full of demands and impositions, able to bind and loose - all gods of the first class. Men labored for generations to build vast temples to them - temples with stones as large as hay-wagons.

The business of interpreting their whims occupied thousands of priests,
bishops, archbishops. To doubt them was to die, usually at the stake.
Armies took to the field to defend them against infidels; villages were burned, women and children butchered, cattle were driven off. Yet in the end they all withered and died, and today there is none so poor to do them reverence.

What has become of Sutekh, once the high god of the whole Nile Valley? What has become of:
Resheph
Anath
Ashtoreth
El
Nergal
Nebo
Ninib
Melek
Ahijah
Isis
Ptah
Anubis
Baal
Astarte
Hadad
Addu
Shalem
Dagon
Sharaab
Yau
Amon-Re
Osiris
Sebek
Molech?

All there were gods of the highest eminence. Many of them are mentioned with fear and trembling in the Old Testament. They ranked, five or six thousand years ago, with Yahweh Himself; the worst of them stood far higher than Thor. Yet they have all gone down the chute, and with them the following:
Bilé
Ler
Arianrhod
Morrigu
Govannon
Gunfled
Sokk-mimi
Nemetona
Dagda
Robigus
Pluto
Ops
Meditrina
Vesta

You may think I spoof. That I invent the names. I do not. Ask the rector to lend you any good treatise on comparative religion: You will find them all listed. They were gods of the highest standing and dignity-gods of civilized peoples-worshiped and believed in by millions. All were omnipotent, omniscient and immortal.

And all are dead.”
― H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy

Quoting Mencken? You made my day.
 
“Where is the graveyard of dead gods? What lingering mourner waters their mounds? There was a time when Jupiter was the king of the gods, and any man who doubted his puissance was ipso facto a barbarian and an ignoramus. But where in all the world is there a man who worships Jupiter today? And who of Huitzilopochtli? In one year - and it is no more than five hundred years ago - 50,000 youths and maidens were slain in sacrifice to him. Today, if he is remembered at all, it is only by some vagrant savage in the depths of the Mexican forest. Huitzilopochtli, like many other gods, had no human father; his mother was a virtuous widow; he was born of an apparently innocent flirtation that she carried out with the sun.

When he frowned, his father, the sun, stood still. When he roared with rage, earthquakes engulfed whole cities. When he thirsted he was watered with 10,000 gallons of human blood. But today Huitzilopochtli is as magnificently forgotten as Allen G. Thurman. Once the peer of Allah, Buddha and Wotan, he is now the peer of Richmond P. Hobson, Alton B. Parker, Adelina Patti, General Weyler and Tom Sharkey.

Speaking of Huitzilopochtli recalls his brother Tezcatlipoca. Tezcatlipoca was almost as powerful; he consumed 25,000 virgins a year.

Lead me to his tomb: I would weep, and hang a couronne des perles. But who knows where it is? Or where the grave of Quetzalcoatl is? Or Xiuhtecuhtli? Or Centeotl, that sweet one? Or Tlazolteotl, the goddess of love? Of Mictlan? Or Xipe? Or all the host of Tzitzimitl? Where are their bones? Where is the willow on which they hung their harps? In what forlorn and unheard-of Hell do they await their resurrection morn? Who enjoys their residuary estates? Or that of Dis, whom Caesar found to be the chief god of the Celts? Of that of Tarves, the bull? Or that of Moccos, the pig? Or that of Epona, the mare? Or that of Mullo, the celestial jackass? There was a time when the Irish revered all these gods, but today even the drunkest Irishman laughs at them.

But they have company in oblivion: the Hell of dead gods is as crowded
as the Presbyterian Hell for babies. Damona is there, and Esus, and
Drunemeton, and Silvana, and Dervones, and Adsullata, and Deva, and
Bellisima, and Uxellimus, and Borvo, and Grannos, and Mogons. All mighty gods in their day, worshipped by millions, full of demands and impositions, able to bind and loose - all gods of the first class. Men labored for generations to build vast temples to them - temples with stones as large as hay-wagons.

The business of interpreting their whims occupied thousands of priests,
bishops, archbishops. To doubt them was to die, usually at the stake.
Armies took to the field to defend them against infidels; villages were burned, women and children butchered, cattle were driven off. Yet in the end they all withered and died, and today there is none so poor to do them reverence.

What has become of Sutekh, once the high god of the whole Nile Valley? What has become of:
Resheph
Anath
Ashtoreth
El
Nergal
Nebo
Ninib
Melek
Ahijah
Isis
Ptah
Anubis
Baal
Astarte
Hadad
Addu
Shalem
Dagon
Sharaab
Yau
Amon-Re
Osiris
Sebek
Molech?

All there were gods of the highest eminence. Many of them are mentioned with fear and trembling in the Old Testament. They ranked, five or six thousand years ago, with Yahweh Himself; the worst of them stood far higher than Thor. Yet they have all gone down the chute, and with them the following:
Bilé
Ler
Arianrhod
Morrigu
Govannon
Gunfled
Sokk-mimi
Nemetona
Dagda
Robigus
Pluto
Ops
Meditrina
Vesta

You may think I spoof. That I invent the names. I do not. Ask the rector to lend you any good treatise on comparative religion: You will find them all listed. They were gods of the highest standing and dignity-gods of civilized peoples-worshiped and believed in by millions. All were omnipotent, omniscient and immortal.

And all are dead.”
― H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy

Sounds like the plot to the showtime series American Gods
 
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“Where is the graveyard of dead gods? What lingering mourner waters their mounds? There was a time when Jupiter was the king of the gods, and any man who doubted his puissance was ipso facto a barbarian and an ignoramus. But where in all the world is there a man who worships Jupiter today? And who of Huitzilopochtli? In one year - and it is no more than five hundred years ago - 50,000 youths and maidens were slain in sacrifice to him. Today, if he is remembered at all, it is only by some vagrant savage in the depths of the Mexican forest. Huitzilopochtli, like many other gods, had no human father; his mother was a virtuous widow; he was born of an apparently innocent flirtation that she carried out with the sun.

When he frowned, his father, the sun, stood still. When he roared with rage, earthquakes engulfed whole cities. When he thirsted he was watered with 10,000 gallons of human blood. But today Huitzilopochtli is as magnificently forgotten as Allen G. Thurman. Once the peer of Allah, Buddha and Wotan, he is now the peer of Richmond P. Hobson, Alton B. Parker, Adelina Patti, General Weyler and Tom Sharkey.

Speaking of Huitzilopochtli recalls his brother Tezcatlipoca. Tezcatlipoca was almost as powerful; he consumed 25,000 virgins a year.

Lead me to his tomb: I would weep, and hang a couronne des perles. But who knows where it is? Or where the grave of Quetzalcoatl is? Or Xiuhtecuhtli? Or Centeotl, that sweet one? Or Tlazolteotl, the goddess of love? Of Mictlan? Or Xipe? Or all the host of Tzitzimitl? Where are their bones? Where is the willow on which they hung their harps? In what forlorn and unheard-of Hell do they await their resurrection morn? Who enjoys their residuary estates? Or that of Dis, whom Caesar found to be the chief god of the Celts? Of that of Tarves, the bull? Or that of Moccos, the pig? Or that of Epona, the mare? Or that of Mullo, the celestial jackass? There was a time when the Irish revered all these gods, but today even the drunkest Irishman laughs at them.

But they have company in oblivion: the Hell of dead gods is as crowded
as the Presbyterian Hell for babies. Damona is there, and Esus, and
Drunemeton, and Silvana, and Dervones, and Adsullata, and Deva, and
Bellisima, and Uxellimus, and Borvo, and Grannos, and Mogons. All mighty gods in their day, worshipped by millions, full of demands and impositions, able to bind and loose - all gods of the first class. Men labored for generations to build vast temples to them - temples with stones as large as hay-wagons.

The business of interpreting their whims occupied thousands of priests,
bishops, archbishops. To doubt them was to die, usually at the stake.
Armies took to the field to defend them against infidels; villages were burned, women and children butchered, cattle were driven off. Yet in the end they all withered and died, and today there is none so poor to do them reverence.

What has become of Sutekh, once the high god of the whole Nile Valley? What has become of:
Resheph
Anath
Ashtoreth
El
Nergal
Nebo
Ninib
Melek
Ahijah
Isis
Ptah
Anubis
Baal
Astarte
Hadad
Addu
Shalem
Dagon
Sharaab
Yau
Amon-Re
Osiris
Sebek
Molech?

All there were gods of the highest eminence. Many of them are mentioned with fear and trembling in the Old Testament. They ranked, five or six thousand years ago, with Yahweh Himself; the worst of them stood far higher than Thor. Yet they have all gone down the chute, and with them the following:
Bilé
Ler
Arianrhod
Morrigu
Govannon
Gunfled
Sokk-mimi
Nemetona
Dagda
Robigus
Pluto
Ops
Meditrina
Vesta

You may think I spoof. That I invent the names. I do not. Ask the rector to lend you any good treatise on comparative religion: You will find them all listed. They were gods of the highest standing and dignity-gods of civilized peoples-worshiped and believed in by millions. All were omnipotent, omniscient and immortal.

And all are dead.”
― H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy
Some of those names are still mentioned in a few circles.
 
I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
 
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Let me be equally blunt. You hide it well and the asking in the first place of something you "fucking well know" raises other questions such as why you were asking in the first place.
People can do what they want when they are a protected class.
I spent a lot of time in Beirut, my time was spread out over an 8 year period in the 80's.
Like anything else, what was one of the most beautiful cities in the world was turned into a cesspool.
They have been fighting since biblical times and nothing is going to change that.
That's fine by me if it stays over there, problem being is their life beliefs are here and have been here for quite awhile now.
The average American is to ignorant as to what they are looking at.
 
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People can do what they want when they are a protected class.
I spent a lot of time in Beirut, my time was spread out over an 8 year period in the 80's.
Like anything else, what was one of the most beautiful cities in the world was turned into a cesspool.
They have been fighting since biblical times and nothing is going to change that.
That's fine by me if it stays over there, problem being is their life beliefs are here and have been here for quite awhile now.
The average American is to ignorant as to what they are looking at.

Hell, I had no idea. I'm protected? Well, they better ship me my protected class membership card, and I want 12 years' worth of accumulated benefits. Gimme, gimme, gimme ...