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MDT ACC Chassis Weights - A DIY Solution

A.Huggy

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Hey fellas,

I have been wanting to add some weight to my .308 to help with stability, recoil, etc. I looked at the MDT weight kits but at $60 per .78lbs they are out of my budget. I'm not sure what MDT makes their weights out of, but at that price it must be something fairly exotic. I don't see a need for that, so sketched this up and cobbled it together out of A36. It's about $20 worth of steel and $20 worth of hardware.

Design Insights:
I wanted to add 4lb's to the rifle, move the CG slightly rearward, and also try to stiffen the forend if possible. The arca rail should not be obstructed, but adding surface area to the bottom of the forend is desirable. As such, the weights should be mounted as low as possible without obstructing the arca rail.
Because each weight is about 2 lbs I had some concerns about the weights sliding around under recoil. The MDT weights have lugs that interface with the M-Lok slots. I don't have a mill, so I was having a hard time deciding how to do this. In the end I decided to place a few 8-32 socket head cap screws on the back side which are aligned with the front wall of an M-lok slot. Each weight is attached by 8 10-24x7/8" flat head screws, 6 of which attach through M-lok slots to square nuts. The remaining 2 screws attach to the ACC chassis' threaded mounting points near the front action screw. By attaching here I hoped to add some stiffness to the forend.

Each weight is an 11.8" x 1 1/4" x 1/2" piece of A36 bar stock. If there's interest, I can post schematics and BOM for those wanting to build their own.


CAD screenshots:
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View of the back of the m-lok slots showing the 8-32 anchor screw and the square nut.

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Fabrication:
Forgive the crudity, this was done with an angle grinder and a drill press.

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Test Fit

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Paint

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Installed and marked with wax to indicate slippage.

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Test day

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So far so good. No slippage. I did 50 rounds worth of barricade practice today and right away I appreciate the extra surface area on the bottom of the forend. It's hard to explain but there are a few ways it I can see it helping me grip and stabilize the rifle on a bag.
 
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I can’t see the pics either.

I have been brainstorming something just like this for a while. Can’t wait to see it. I agree the MDT weights are too expensive for what little weight they add. I would gladly pay $60 if they added more weight.

If you can make it MLok compatible and fairly universal to work on many different chassis, this would sell.
 
Pics appear fine to me.

Cool idea and nicely executed on a small budget! What does your setup weigh now?
 
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All look good now. Great work. Sell these. I need some for my Magpul 700.
 
This is awesome. I was trying to solve the same problem but for an MDT LSS-XL gen 2. I’m not willing to pay $60 right now for .78 lbs either. Let me know if you are going to start selling these
 
Hey fellas,

I have been wanting to add some weight to my .308 to help with stability, recoil, etc. I looked at the MDT weight kits but at $60 per .78lbs they are out of my budget. I'm not sure what MDT makes their weights out of, but at that price it must be something fairly exotic. I don't see a need for that, so sketched this up and cobbled it together out of A36. It's about $20 worth of steel and $20 worth of hardware.

Design Insights:
I wanted to add 4lb's to the rifle, move the CG slightly rearward, and also try to stiffen the forend if possible. The arca rail should not be obstructed, but adding surface area to the bottom of the forend is desirable. As such, the weights should be mounted as low as possible without obstructing the arca rail.
Because each weight is about 2 lbs I had some concerns about the weights sliding around under recoil. The MDT weights have lugs that interface with the M-Lok slots. I don't have a mill, so I was having a hard time deciding how to do this. In the end I decided to place a few 8-32 socket head cap screws on the back side which are aligned with the front wall of an M-lok slot. Each weight is attached by 8 10-24x7/8" flat head screws, 6 of which attach through M-lok slots to square nuts. The remaining 2 screws attach to the ACC chassis' threaded mounting points near the front action screw. By attaching here I hoped to add some stiffness to the forend.

Each weight is an 11.8" x 1 1/4" x 1/2" piece of A36 bar stock. If there's interest, I can post schematics and BOM for those wanting to build their own.


CAD screenshots:
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View of the back of the m-lok slots showing the 8-32 anchor screw and the square nut.

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Fabrication:
Forgive the crudity, this was done with an angle grinder and a drill press.

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Test Fit

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Paint

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Installed and marked with wax to indicate slippage.

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Test day

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So far so good. No slippage. I did 50 rounds worth of barricade practice today and right away I appreciate the extra surface area on the bottom of the forend. It's hard to explain but there are a few ways it I can see it helping me grip and stabilize the rifle on a bag.

Why didn't you buy m-loc screws and nuts?
 
I did this for Tikka to make a plate to mount an arca rail.

Mlok slots are approximately 32 mm (1.260 in) long and 7 mm (0.276 in) wide and space 8 mm (0.315 in) from each other.

8/32 screw heads are about .270 and M4 are suppose to be 7mm but the ones I had were slightly over.

I taped 2 holes at each end of the slot to fit the headed into recoil lugs and one in the center to accept mlok nut. If you take the start of the slot as 0,0 this ment I put a screw at +.135, +.630, +.990, +.585 It was a lot of drilling but work perfect for a tight fit.

 
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Why didn't you buy m-loc screws and nuts?

That was the initial plan, but for several reasons I decided against it. The main reason is expense. It seems like any reputable source wants upwards of $1 per fastener. It's not like there's anything special about M-LOK hardware, so some nice stainless fasteners fit the bill just fine.
 
I would love some of these, how did you cut the bar stock? I'm doing an ELR rig on the acc chasis and want it as heavy as possible! Are you willing to make more and sell them?
 
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Good work @A.Huggy ! We always like to see creativity with our products :D

Now, moreso out of curiosity more than anything else; would there be interest in a single, long external weight or internal weight for the ACC? The reason that our weights cost what they do is the material + the machine time + fasteners and then we have to make something on them too! If we were to make one internal weight that maybe used less fasteners, that would save us on machine time, material waste and machining time, which would make it cheaper for everyone. The downside is that you would only be able to use all the weight or no weight with this option. We could also do the same thing for the external weights too.

Is there interest in something like this?

Josh
 
...

If you can make it MLok compatible and fairly universal to work on many different chassis, this would sell.
... Sell these. ...
...Let me know if you are going to start selling these
... Are you willing to make more and sell them?

I'm sorry guys, I'm really not interested in selling these. I don't have the resources or knowledge to pump these out in any sort of volume. These are skills I'm definitely interested in building, but now is not the right time for me.

@MDT_Josh made a great point: This is an "all or nothing" solution. Each one of these bad boys weighs 2 pounds. The odds that these weights are going to feel right on your rig are slim. MDT is on the right track with their modular system... go figure. Josh, I respect and completely agree with your statement on why the weights cost what they do. They are not expensive because they are overpriced, they are expensive because they are overbuilt.

If you do want to make your own, I've attached some PDF's that might help you. Some dimensions are not specified such as thickness. Depending on how much weight you want, your weight's thickness will vary.
3/4" 10-24 screws work great for 1/2" bar like I used.
Also, there is only a template and a dimensional drawing for one side since the weights are a mirror of each other.
 

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I love the ingenuity. I am curious as to how a few hundred bucks worth of weights became the straw that breaks the budgetary camel's back on what appears to be a very nice rig. Good on ya for rocking all 24 lbs of that beast.
 
I love the ingenuity. I am curious as to how a few hundred bucks worth of weights became the straw that breaks the budgetary camel's back on what appears to be a very nice rig. Good on ya for rocking all 24 lbs of that beast.

A lot of this rig is from prize tables, factory seconds, or second hand. Regardless, there was more to it than just cost. Stiffening the forend is a benefit that I don't think the MDT weights provide.
 
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See your shooting on Paul’s new practice / comp range. We got to try it out a few weeks ago, nice deck. Paul said he was going to put more props on the deck besides the barricade, did he get more added?
 
That's so awesome....thanks for sharing. i don't own a chassis stock yet but i could definitely see the advantage of these options. my gut tells me that being the wimp that i know i am, i'd round some of the edges and corners if i ever had the skill to do so

very cool
 
Good work @A.Huggy ! We always like to see creativity with our products :D

Now, moreso out of curiosity more than anything else; would there be interest in a single, long external weight or internal weight for the ACC? The reason that our weights cost what they do is the material + the machine time + fasteners and then we have to make something on them too! If we were to make one internal weight that maybe used less fasteners, that would save us on machine time, material waste and machining time, which would make it cheaper for everyone. The downside is that you would only be able to use all the weight or no weight with this option. We could also do the same thing for the external weights too.

Is there interest in something like this?

Josh
I would be interested in this.
 
Good work @A.Huggy ! We always like to see creativity with our products :D

Now, moreso out of curiosity more than anything else; would there be interest in a single, long external weight or internal weight for the ACC? The reason that our weights cost what they do is the material + the machine time + fasteners and then we have to make something on them too! If we were to make one internal weight that maybe used less fasteners, that would save us on machine time, material waste and machining time, which would make it cheaper for everyone. The downside is that you would only be able to use all the weight or no weight with this option. We could also do the same thing for the external weights too.

Is there interest in something like this?

Josh

Josh I think there would be a big market for one piece large weights, for me and many other we want it as heavy as possible, so if those weights were cheaper I would 100% go internal and external. However for me to fill the chassis up with weights it would cost a small fortune, so I was 100% planning to make my own weights as well. Large heavy one piece weights would appeal higher to the elr community and maybe make acc a more common chassis for elr.
Let me know if you need someone to test out a prototype!
 
Good work @A.Huggy ! We always like to see creativity with our products :D

Now, moreso out of curiosity more than anything else; would there be interest in a single, long external weight or internal weight for the ACC? The reason that our weights cost what they do is the material + the machine time + fasteners and then we have to make something on them too! If we were to make one internal weight that maybe used less fasteners, that would save us on machine time, material waste and machining time, which would make it cheaper for everyone. The downside is that you would only be able to use all the weight or no weight with this option. We could also do the same thing for the external weights too.

Is there interest in something like this?

Josh
i have a friend making me some right now (external) for a yet to be purchased long action ELR rig

hes doing a 'double' a 'triple' and a '5'er'

i think the internal especially would sell very well as a 1 piece, then maybe the option of 1, 2, 3, and 5 for the exterior
 
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Good work @A.Huggy ! We always like to see creativity with our products :D

Now, moreso out of curiosity more than anything else; would there be interest in a single, long external weight or internal weight for the ACC? The reason that our weights cost what they do is the material + the machine time + fasteners and then we have to make something on them too! If we were to make one internal weight that maybe used less fasteners, that would save us on machine time, material waste and machining time, which would make it cheaper for everyone. The downside is that you would only be able to use all the weight or no weight with this option. We could also do the same thing for the external weights too.

Is there interest in something like this?

Josh

I would love to see a one-piece external weight set for the ESS! Maybe even one that fits or replaces the forend grip.
 
This is trickier to do than the ACC as there are three forend lengths.

I appreciate all the feedback though guys and gals and will relay this to the powers that be!

Josh

Then make 1 SKU that fits the short length and it should fit the other two lengths or is that not the reality of how they are designed ?
 
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Then make 1 SKU that fits the short length and it should fit the other two lengths or is that not the reality of how they are designed ?

We could do, but seeing as there is a 12", 15" and 18" forend for the ESS, if we made them to the 12" length (5 m-lok slots), then the users with the 18" forend (9 m-lok slots) would have 4 slots still open. I suppose you could still use the one long weight and two sets of the standard weights on the longer forends, but then that kinda defies the purpose of the one weight right?

This is where cross-compatibility and reverse-compatibility becomes tricky in design.

Josh
 
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We could do, but seeing as there is a 12", 15" and 18" forend for the ESS, if we made them to the 12" length (5 m-lok slots), then the users with the 18" forend (9 m-lok slots) would have 4 slots still open. I suppose you could still use the one long weight and two sets of the standard weights on the longer forends, but then that kinda defies the purpose of the one weight right?

This is where cross-compatibility and reverse-compatibility becomes tricky in design.

Josh
The other way to look at it is. How many ESS users are gonna fill it compared to ACC?
 
The other way to look at it is. How many ESS users are gonna fill it compared to ACC?

Very true. The majority of "heavy gun" shooters are using the ACC already, so it probably makes most sense to offer a dedicated weight kit for that forend (if we were to do one), and have the single, external weights for those wanting to make their ESS/TAC21/LSS-XL heavier.

Either way, the idea is there and now it is up to us to decide what we want to do with it :) Look what you did @A.Huggy ?

Josh
 
The reason I clicked on this thread is that I have already purchased some stainless, and have drawn it up in solidworks to do this very project. I have been waiting for a CNC to open up at work to finish programming and run it. If this type of thing was available from MDT at less cost than the individual weights I wouldn't have even started this project.
 
Good work @A.Huggy ! We always like to see creativity with our products :D

Now, moreso out of curiosity more than anything else; would there be interest in a single, long external weight or internal weight for the ACC? The reason that our weights cost what they do is the material + the machine time + fasteners and then we have to make something on them too! If we were to make one internal weight that maybe used less fasteners, that would save us on machine time, material waste and machining time, which would make it cheaper for everyone. The downside is that you would only be able to use all the weight or no weight with this option. We could also do the same thing for the external weights too.

Is there interest in something like this?

Josh
Yes!!!! Internal please!
 
you could try steel strips long flat
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you would you would not need a lot of it just to make it thick on the sides this example would not be thick enough to make it worth it maybe 2'' thick strips outside and one 1/2 '' inside or just there weights inside and the bars outside mdt 5 pack weight is 144.00 + shipping so buy or make which ever you decide I hope it works out the way you want it to .
 
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I'd like to update this in regard to the recoil stop pins that are included in the design. After about 200 rounds of testing, they do not appear necessary on my 308.

When initially assembled there was around .005" between the rear stop pin and the front of the M-lok slot it was positioned in. I did not populate any of the other stop pins. 200 rounds later there is still .005" of clearance and my tamper indicating wax is still intact. YMMV based on your rifle and the friction between your chassis and your weights, but with my .308 win setup the clamping force alone seems sufficient to hold under recoil.

They're still good insurance, but if tapping a few blind holes in steel is what's stopping you from building these, don't worry about it!
 
I was on the fence about putting the stops in some I cut on a waterjet. I'll probably try them without, and see how it goes.
 
one favorable aspect to multiple weights rather than a single weight is the ability to adjust the balance point of the rifle. Or if using a single internal weight, give it the ability to slide for and aft. Of course all of this can be used in conjunction with a weight in the butt as well.
 
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I'm going to try these out. I ordered 12 total for 6 on each side. I have the mirage cap on my and these will fit in the M-lok sections in between the mounting points. Also bought some M-lok nuts. I will post pics when complete.
How much weight do you plan on gaining with these?
 
Next Season PRS gun .Surely some arca rails and high capacity box feeding can be added.

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But honestly with all the weights being piled on i am waiting for someone to do a water cooled barrel.

Some high round count stages seem to be designed mostly to burn trough competitors pocket than any thing else.
 
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Next Season PRS gun .Surely some arca rails and high capacity box feeding can be added.

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But honestly with all the weights being piled on i am waiting for someone to do a water cooled barrel.

Some high round count stages seem to be designed mostly to burn trough competitors pocket than any thing else.

As long as they can free recoil it from a fence post or tank trap.
 
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