CDC and FDA lied and misled.......... Well, surprise, suprise, surpise!
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The Infuriating Story of How the Government Stalled Coronavirus Testing
How one young doctor at a Seattle lab tried to get out in front of the coronavirus crisis by inventing his own test. And why the absurdity of his struggle should make us all afraid.
More along these lines.
I'm sorry, but I don't get the testing thing. Who cares if you have a test or not? If you don't have a test, then just take the position that it IS the corona virus. There isn't a cure or vaccine either way, so make the assumption that it is and treat it as a positive. Self-quarantine and don't get near anyone else. If they have to be hospitalized, then isolate them. Only admit the truly sick so you don't waste the limited hospital resources.
This whole 'we could have saved lives if we had enough tests' is bullshit. How does the test save anything?
This whole 'we could have saved lives if we had enough tests' is bullshit. How does the test save anything?
In what universe is a 'diary-writer' (because they don't even deserve the title of 'journalist') become an authority? Of ANY topic?
testing helps them track clusters and origin. That’s it. It has nothing to do with cures and safety.
Tracking the progress of the disease is incredibly important. That's what allows locking down a handful of towns vs. bringing the entire country to a halt.
"Tracking the progress of the disease is incredibly important. That's what allows locking down a handful of towns vs. bringing the entire country to a halt."
And gets people back out to work, shop, pray, safely, when they know they are healthy and can interact with other healthy people.
And gets people back out to work, shop, pray, safely, when they know they are healthy and can interact with other healthy people.
I am confused over the whole testing issue and logic
The test is only 60% accurate to start with. How much money are you betting on a horse with a 60% chance to win?
Then they say only people with symptoms should be tested
but then they say
people without symptoms can be contagious
If you have symptoms, be quarantined and watched
If you have life threatening symptoms, be admitted to medical care
If you have no symptoms, then you should be tested multiple times to ensure all are negative per the 60% accuracy (that means 4 negative tests to 100% certainty)
I don't see an answer that make any sense other than EVERYONE stay the fuck away from me
That makes sense.
The test is only 60% accurate to start with. How much money are you betting on a horse with a 60% chance to win?
Then they say only people with symptoms should be tested
but then they say
people without symptoms can be contagious
If you have symptoms, be quarantined and watched
If you have life threatening symptoms, be admitted to medical care
If you have no symptoms, then you should be tested multiple times to ensure all are negative per the 60% accuracy (that means 4 negative tests to 100% certainty)
I don't see an answer that make any sense other than EVERYONE stay the fuck away from me
That makes sense.
Which is why they are telling us to stay the fuck inside. Because that's the safest thing in the absence of good testing tools and good understanding of contagion rates, mutation rates, etc....
and this is me going to the grocery store (with an N95 mask on under the bucket)
My Lysol in the ON position
My Lysol in the ON position
If they don't have tests, how the fuck are we supposed to know which celebrities have the damn thing.
Who?
Im more worried about the folks who actually work for a living. And right now, those in the middle of this.
I promise you, working in the ED sucks right now. Many of my friends still do and they are telling some stories.
Running out of safety gear, short staffed due to illness.
Here is to those doing this day in and day out. That part has to suck.
Whiskey is on me when this is over and we can hang out again.
Im more worried about the folks who actually work for a living. And right now, those in the middle of this.
I promise you, working in the ED sucks right now. Many of my friends still do and they are telling some stories.
Running out of safety gear, short staffed due to illness.
Here is to those doing this day in and day out. That part has to suck.
Whiskey is on me when this is over and we can hang out again.
So we're locked down and have been for awhile, so when is this lockdown long enough knowing others haven't even started??
Sometimes it's like stupid does as stupid is, you'll never know how long others have been locked down and you can "what if" your life away.
Sometimes it's like stupid does as stupid is, you'll never know how long others have been locked down and you can "what if" your life away.
Nothing but lies, dammed lies, and statistics used by liars to support their lies.
President Trump acted to protect us far sooner, by stopping the flood of Chinese carriers than any other president would have.
President Trump acted to protect us far sooner, by stopping the flood of Chinese carriers than any other president would have.
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I would bet on horse with a 60% chance.
There are limited tests. They are screening and only testing people with severe matching symptoms.
I went to the hospital a few weeks ago with a nagging cough and audible wheezing as my only symptoms. They asked some questions, ruled out Corona and didnt test me. Said it was bronchitis from a cold I had a month ago and they gave me a Zpack of antibiotics and kicked me out.
Re: a 60% chance, it's not enough to know the probability, you also need to factor in the costs. If the cost of your horse losing is, you and your family die, the risk is obviously not the same as losing $20. So to the extent that "Tracking the progress of the disease is incredibly important," you want a decent test, not something that's barely better than flipping a coin.
That said, from all accounts it seems work on the tests is ongoing, and they are now more reliable and the turn time to get a result is becoming shorter, both of which should be helpful. Interested if anyone has more concrete info on this.
That said, from all accounts it seems work on the tests is ongoing, and they are now more reliable and the turn time to get a result is becoming shorter, both of which should be helpful. Interested if anyone has more concrete info on this.
Whoah I was just talking about betting on a horse. 60% is better than 0
If you don't know if they had it or not, all your data on treatment and recovery becomes much more of a guess.
WOW! Dr. Fauci in New England Journal of Medicine Concedes the Coronavirus Mortality Rate May Be Much Closer to a Very Bad Flu | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft
This is STUNNING!
www.thegatewaypundit.com
Agree, that's why the cost of losing the bet matters -- roughly speaking, risk = probability * cost, that's all.
Where are you getting your information? The CoV outbreak was a clear and present danger at the end of December. The organization of this response is a clusterfuck. For months, the president has downplayed the pandemic, overstated the impact of his policies and given people false hope about potential treatments, blamed everybody else and tried to rewrite the history of his response. He tweeted this less than a month ago:
“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
I agree, but lack of data does not kill people. Again, if you don't have a test to confirm your diagnosis, treat it as a positive. The media is pushing the narrative that the lack of tests is killing people.
People need to be tested so they know what they have and some type of action can be taken to stop the spread.
really?
The WHO tweeted on January 14, 2020 that there was no evidence of human to human transmission, in a way lending credence to the false claims of the chinese.
WHO haunted by January tweet saying China found no human transmission of coronavirus
In a January tweet, the World Health Organization (WHO) cited Chinese health officials who claimed there had been no human transmissions of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) within the country yet.
www.foxnews.com
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Only idiots consume their news from msn. Seems we have snowflakes amongst us.
I wonder how these fuckstickorangemanbad would be if Trump had came to the podium and said. "Kiss your ass goodbye. This virus is going to kill 10% of the population and there ain't shit you can do. It's fucking yuuuge!"
But hey let's bash the president because he's putting out a message of hope in the middle of a shit storm.
Fuck you bastards. Tell me which world leader has impressed you during this? I will gladly buy your one way ticket. So you can live in bliss elsewhere.
But hey let's bash the president because he's putting out a message of hope in the middle of a shit storm.
Fuck you bastards. Tell me which world leader has impressed you during this? I will gladly buy your one way ticket. So you can live in bliss elsewhere.
Zero interest in political arguments, at this point it’s a waste of time. Just be advised this is not a political issue it’s a biomedical issue and we have a short window of time to mitigate the damage.
My question was in your wheelhouse. What false hope do you refer to?
(And by the way, you made some serious political arguments in that post and now say you have no interest).
On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2
- Coronovirus is extremely contagious.
- There is no immunity to it. If you pick up the virus, you have it. Period.
- There are no therapeutic drugs for it (to treat people who have it).
- There are no vaccines for it (to prevent people from getting it).
- It is TEN TIMES as lethal as the "flu."
- It is not a flu or the flu. It is a different virus.
The depraved indifference toward human life in this thread, combined with the utter and total stupidity, is a deadly combination.
Correct, no interest and I made no political arguments, unless you think that criticizing a politician is a political argument. Is that no longer allowed or too upsetting? Scientists are certainly not infallible, and the best ones are the ones are the ones that are most self-critical and aware of what they don’t know as well as what they do know. Things are complex. It takes a long time to produce a safe vaccine. Drugs need to be tested, I’m privileged to work with colleagues working at the cutting edge of that. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...mp-s-embrace-risky-malaria-drugs-coronavirus#
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Thanks google assistant, you genius bastard. I see reading and math escape you.
Data drives treatment, data drives the search for cures, data drives vehicle safety, data drives science. Data kills and saves people every single day.
Of course it's allowed, and no one's upset (unless you are), but criticizing a politician is pretty much THE definition of a political argument, so your comment makes no sense. You started one, then left.
"False" hope means placing hope in something that is false. You are too smart not to know that choice of words doesn't fit. You also know we treat patients with drugs off-label every day. Practically every doctor I've seen interviewed about this on TV has been asked, "If you test positive, would you take this?" I've yet to see one say, "No." Even Fauci said he'd take it, with the clarification that he'd try to do it by searching for a study that he could be included in...(but he didn't volunteer to be in the Control group, wonder why?). Are they giving everyone "false hope" too? They're the ones in the trenches and they're prescribing it, and most think it's making a difference.
If you want to say "premature" hope, I might be inclined to agree, but the studies I'm seeing are becoming MORE encouraging every day, not less. Calling it "False hope" is a false narrative. It might not work, but you don't know that, and neither do I. The study linked below was released today. It is by all means not conclusive, as it is not controlled either. But is it "false hope" too? The majority of these studies are showing better outcomes of patients treated with the combination than those that aren't. Is the Ivory Tower going to completely ignore results from the field because they weren't done double-blind, etc.? Because by the time all those are done, we won't need them anymore.
(This study is so new, I could only find it reported here. I don't endorse the headline, but the study results are reported accurately).
Coronavirus cure: French researchers completed new additional study on 80 patients, results show a combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin to be effective in treating COVID-19 - Tech Startups
On March 19, we published a story about a trial study conducted by French researchers which showed a combination of Hydroxychloroquine (brand name Plaquenil) and Azithromycin to be effective in the treatment of COVID-19 patients. The study, which was led by renowned Didier Raoultâ M.D/Ph.D in...
techstartups.com
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really?
The WHO tweeted on January 14, 2020 that there was no evidence of human to human transmission, in a way lending credence to the false claims of the chinese.
WHO haunted by January tweet saying China found no human transmission of coronavirus
In a January tweet, the World Health Organization (WHO) cited Chinese health officials who claimed there had been no human transmissions of the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) within the country yet.
2 weeks later, trump bans traffic from chy-na.
4 days after that, some authority in NYC goes on TV and tells everyone to ignore the virus and take the subway like nothing is wrong.
and now they wonder why they have an outbreak? fucking idiot democrats and their political correctness and need to defy trump.
and also
Not just any authority in NYC...
www.nationalreview.com
also:
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The Timeline of How Bill de Blasio Prepared New York City for the Coronavirus | National Review
Follow along as the mayor and his experts gradually move from dismissing the threat to shutting the city down.
www.nationalreview.com
also:
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Fair point, false hope is a poor choice of words, you take my point, premature is a better word. As far as criticizing politicians, both msn and fox are drumming it into people’s heads that’s the other side is uniformly evil and stupid. Fuck em all, its a good time to read Shakespeare, keep human folly in perspective. He wrote during plague years as well.
I think the only reason for the wide spread testing is to determine where we are on the curve. Use that data to dictate the necessary course of action to limit the spread.
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