Two questions really. I know a mil at 100 yards is 3.436 inches. Question 1, why do most people round to 3.6 and not 3.5? Question 2, how many inches at 100m? (3.9?) Thanks
- Thread starter BJDelaporte
- Start date
It’s ten centimeters at 100 meters. Why in tarnation would you want to know inches at 100 meters?
Linear equivilents are for the infected only
fever has him delirious, he'll be a zombie by morning
fever has him delirious, he'll be a zombie by morning
If you get a rational answer to this question, please let me know?
Cause my brain works in Merican!!
really, what is Merican?
Or are you really saying, you speak Ignorance?
man this Isolation thing is turning out fun, necro posts about shooting straight up, Mil posts about linear equivalents, all sorts of silly things to bring out the best comedy precision rifle shooting has to offer.
A mil is a mil, an MOA is an MOA and a Mils work in yards, so why does it matter?
1 yard at 1000 yards,
1 Mile at 1000 miles
Both examples of Mils
All good brother. But try this for ease of calculation: measurevin meters and then move the decimal one place to the right. That’s your answer in centimeters. Divide cm by 2.54 to get inches. It’s easier, and after a while you will just use centimeters.
Resistance is futile?
Think Money
1 Mil = 1 Dime
your scope adjusts in 10ths, that is 1 penny, so 10 pennies equals 1 Dime and a Dime is a Mil,
You adjust the same way, think in the system you are using, I adjust in Mils so I only look at the adjustment in mils, no other value.
You have a calibrated ruler 3" in front of your nose, measure twice, cut once, regardless if it is windage or elevation on the reticle, whatever it says, that is your answer, 1 Mil in the scope is a 1 mil adjustment at ANY range, no conversion necessary. Same with True MOA, one MOA is 1 MOA, there is no reason to compound it and say, 1.047" at 100 is X at 833 yards, just measure in the reticle and dial or hold.
1 Mil = 1 Dime
your scope adjusts in 10ths, that is 1 penny, so 10 pennies equals 1 Dime and a Dime is a Mil,
You adjust the same way, think in the system you are using, I adjust in Mils so I only look at the adjustment in mils, no other value.
You have a calibrated ruler 3" in front of your nose, measure twice, cut once, regardless if it is windage or elevation on the reticle, whatever it says, that is your answer, 1 Mil in the scope is a 1 mil adjustment at ANY range, no conversion necessary. Same with True MOA, one MOA is 1 MOA, there is no reason to compound it and say, 1.047" at 100 is X at 833 yards, just measure in the reticle and dial or hold.
Guys I get it. Is this a place to get help on some questions or stand up hour at the comedy club? Look, if I notice someones trace misses a target by roughly, roughly guys, 10" at 300 yards, I know that is, ROUGHLY, 1 mil. And thanks to some of you, greatly appreciated, I now know that if I see someones trace miss by roughly 12" at 100 meters I still that that is roughly one mil. The point is, when I see a miss I know how far that is in inches, not cm, not miles.
Thanks all, I think?
Thanks all, I think?
Except you don' t know what roughly the distance is ... and it's too slow to take the time to guess and convert
DO you want to be educated by experts who do this for a living or do you want to be placated in an incorrect way of doing business
This is NOT 1978, we are not doing long hand math on the line, or trying to convert.
if you are spotting for someone, you call their corrections in the unit of adjustment they are using, not in Inches. Inches don't matter.
If you think it is 10" at 833 yards away, without using the computer what is the answer and how long does it take you get it when converting all that data. When spotting calls needs to be made in 3 to 5 seconds in order to follow up under the same conditions as the first shot. The longer you wait the more things change.
If you are spotting with a rifle scope, you have a reticle, that impact will appear in the reticle in mils, so call it in mils, the inches are meaningless. Proper Precision Rifle Shooting uses ANGLES not INCHES, so why mix them up? If you have a spotter with no reticle, use your rifle scope to calibrate your brain to what a Mil and the target looks like.
But all the 10" from target guys are usually wrong, this why your wife can't drive worth a shit, she thinks 6" is 9"...
You either want the correct information or you want us to cater to your ignorance on the subject and keep you on that same path. We don't cater here, we educate. If you don't like the education, I recommend finding the lamest Facebook group out there as they will answer in a language you are clearly accustomed to speaking.
We speak in Mils
Listen to this to learn to spot
theeverydaysniper.podbean.com
DO you want to be educated by experts who do this for a living or do you want to be placated in an incorrect way of doing business
This is NOT 1978, we are not doing long hand math on the line, or trying to convert.
if you are spotting for someone, you call their corrections in the unit of adjustment they are using, not in Inches. Inches don't matter.
If you think it is 10" at 833 yards away, without using the computer what is the answer and how long does it take you get it when converting all that data. When spotting calls needs to be made in 3 to 5 seconds in order to follow up under the same conditions as the first shot. The longer you wait the more things change.
If you are spotting with a rifle scope, you have a reticle, that impact will appear in the reticle in mils, so call it in mils, the inches are meaningless. Proper Precision Rifle Shooting uses ANGLES not INCHES, so why mix them up? If you have a spotter with no reticle, use your rifle scope to calibrate your brain to what a Mil and the target looks like.
But all the 10" from target guys are usually wrong, this why your wife can't drive worth a shit, she thinks 6" is 9"...
You either want the correct information or you want us to cater to your ignorance on the subject and keep you on that same path. We don't cater here, we educate. If you don't like the education, I recommend finding the lamest Facebook group out there as they will answer in a language you are clearly accustomed to speaking.
We speak in Mils
Listen to this to learn to spot
The Everyday Sniper Episode 239 1 Million Part 2, Spotting | The Everyday Sniper
The Everyday Sniper Episode 239 1 Million Part 2, Spotting Here is part two of the 1 Million Downloads Episodes and we go into mega details on spotting for a precision rifle. Mike and I breakdown using your spotting scope, communicating with your shooter, and what we look at when we are behind...
Just try not to be overly defensive and have some thick skin. You did say you KNOW 1 mil was 3.4 inches at 100y. It’s a little funny.
What I do want to say is, try getting away from eye balling how many inches you think a miss is. Just use the reticle. If you notice a miss at .8 mils in the reticle, adjust .8 mils. No inches, no conversion. Easy day.
Watch some of the episodes. You'll hear corrections being called out to the shooter. Some teams use MOA, and others use mils... This will at least give you a visual of what's being said here.
Listen fuck stick. Can you not educatie without being a fucking cunt and bringing my wife into this. Go fuck yourself. This is why people don't get into shooting becuase of fucking cunts like you!Except you don' t know what roughly the distance is ... and it's too slow to take the time to guess and convert
DO you want to be educated by experts who do this for a living or do you want to be placated in an incorrect way of doing business
This is NOT 1978, we are not doing long hand math on the line, or trying to convert.
if you are spotting for someone, you call their corrections in the unit of adjustment they are using, not in Inches. Inches don't matter.
If you think it is 10" at 833 yards away, without using the computer what is the answer and how long does it take you get it when converting all that data. When spotting calls needs to be made in 3 to 5 seconds in order to follow up under the same conditions as the first shot. The longer you wait the more things change.
If you are spotting with a rifle scope, you have a reticle, that impact will appear in the reticle in mils, so call it in mils, the inches are meaningless. Proper Precision Rifle Shooting uses ANGLES not INCHES, so why mix them up? If you have a spotter with no reticle, use your rifle scope to calibrate your brain to what a Mil and the target looks like.
But all the 10" from target guys are usually wrong, this why your wife can't drive worth a shit, she thinks 6" is 9"...
You either want the correct information or you want us to cater to your ignorance on the subject and keep you on that same path. We don't cater here, we educate. If you don't like the education, I recommend finding the lamest Facebook group out there as they will answer in a language you are clearly accustomed to speaking.
We speak in Mils
Listen to this to learn to spot
The Everyday Sniper Episode 239 1 Million Part 2, Spotting | The Everyday Sniper
The Everyday Sniper Episode 239 1 Million Part 2, Spotting Here is part two of the 1 Million Downloads Episodes and we go into mega details on spotting for a precision rifle. Mike and I breakdown using your spotting scope, communicating with your shooter, and what we look at when we are behind...
You, are a funny guy, lol. If you listen to Frank, instead of gettin’ your hackles all up, you might just learn something. Or may be you should just forget about “getting into shooting” and go back to golf, where people say “fore” when they mean “fuck”.
Here's a question for you. Do laser range finders work in the dark?
You, are a funny guy, lol. If you listen to Frank, instead of gettin’ your hackles all up, you might just learn something. Or may be you should just forget about “getting into shooting” and go back to golf, where people say “fore” when they mean “fuck”.
So you do PRS I take it? Do you use MOA or MIL?
MOA needs to die a horrible death, twisted and tortured just like it's life.
I use Mils but I speak both languages, Mil or MOA doesn't matter to me.
While I have shot PRS Matches I am not a PRS Member, I like to leave my options open.
I use Mils but I speak both languages, Mil or MOA doesn't matter to me.
While I have shot PRS Matches I am not a PRS Member, I like to leave my options open.
What is your background...
A German Tiger tank right now, last week was the Mandalorian
I have a widescreen so I like this
I have a widescreen so I like this
Sheesh! Before you put on your GI Joe outfit, take a breath. Now look at the title of the guy you are all ready to take on to prove how tough an internet warrior you are. He actually IS HMFIC here and really is much more than you can imagine.
Or carry on and go for the flameout. Those are always fun, but for a shorter period.
Here we freaking go boys!!!!!
Another mil vs moa thread brought to you by another fuddddd!!!!
Now, now, don't call him names... that is not nice.
He is just trying to figure out if I am worthy opponent LOL
The unsat fucker with his hands in his pocket is me,
Edit to add, Can I just say, how great my Ghillie matched the Korean landscape in this picture
He is just trying to figure out if I am worthy opponent LOL
The unsat fucker with his hands in his pocket is me,
Edit to add, Can I just say, how great my Ghillie matched the Korean landscape in this picture
Hands in your pocket oh my lanta where was your ssgt?
I was a Corporal here so fuck him, Ssgt Taylor is around @Enough Said, tell them what a shitbird I was LOL
Okay, stud. Listen up hero. Now we are on the same playing field and I know why we hit it off so well. My first name is SGT, last name Major. So you know the deal. We both started on half mil reticles dialing up dope in the middle of the night when you had to memorize your clicks. Back when you still had to mil distance and then dial in from there. Now we can start over and move on. Teach away rock!
Attachments
Knife hands out boys better at ease the noise the 7 just walked in...
Cool guy pic to stay in the thread or GTFO
Seriously you have a reticle in front of your eye...you measure the correction with the reticle then either hold over or dial said correction and rengage... No math no linear measurements done...
Last edited:
Right, I get that, but what if you have a spotting scope with no reticle? I was in recce troop a long time ago. Everything has changed a lot. I teach AR and Pistol. Trying to tighten up my shot group on the long gun side of the house. I retired back in 2015.
A spotter without a reticle is useless For calling misses. All you can see is miss. There is no way to give a correction. They are also good for recording.
So I guess I should have said initially Im not the one shooting. I am trying to get better at calling a
But you can give a correction, as long as you both are speaking the same language. Back in the day my language was inches converted to mils. Remember scopes back then had MOA Turrets with MIL reticles.
But without a reticle there is absolutely no way to say you missed by 13 inches at 700 yds. That’s why the reticle is so important. If I missed by .8 mils at 700 or 1700 it’s still just .8. Who cares how many inches. That’s what @lowlight is getting at. If you want to be a better spotter, start by keeping it simple. No conversions. If your shooter uses MILS your spotter should be mills, same with MOA. But if you have to mix them, then you just need to convert mils to MOA or MOA to mils. Inches is still irrelevant.
Time in Grade,
you have to train yourself to use the unit of adjustment the shooter is using. Even with no reticle in the spotter we are still calling adjustments in Mils. We basically train ourselves to look at the target in mils, not inches.
A 2 MOA target is .5 mils wide, at the given range so you can adjust based on that, or maybe try a dual set up, put a scope on an old pic rail mount it and, use the scope reticle to calibrate your vision to the size of the target in Mils as well as the area around it.
In a training setting, most are within a half mil of a target a majority of the time. But its Time in Grade, you need to develop the skillset than train to standard right.
I teach a ton, almost all civvy now as I worked contract instruction for years, so I mainly do basic classes, bringing new shooters from zero to hero in a few days. I can do it without a reticle but with a variety of good to bad, bad shooters the calls can be off based on their shooting. With a reticle in the spotter you know it's them and not you.
Everything is changing, nothing is how it was taught even a few years ago. I talk with the schoolhouse guys all the time from both Army and USMC, it's moving very quickly to streamline and simplify these things. Less is better, speed kills.
you have to train yourself to use the unit of adjustment the shooter is using. Even with no reticle in the spotter we are still calling adjustments in Mils. We basically train ourselves to look at the target in mils, not inches.
A 2 MOA target is .5 mils wide, at the given range so you can adjust based on that, or maybe try a dual set up, put a scope on an old pic rail mount it and, use the scope reticle to calibrate your vision to the size of the target in Mils as well as the area around it.
In a training setting, most are within a half mil of a target a majority of the time. But its Time in Grade, you need to develop the skillset than train to standard right.
I teach a ton, almost all civvy now as I worked contract instruction for years, so I mainly do basic classes, bringing new shooters from zero to hero in a few days. I can do it without a reticle but with a variety of good to bad, bad shooters the calls can be off based on their shooting. With a reticle in the spotter you know it's them and not you.
Everything is changing, nothing is how it was taught even a few years ago. I talk with the schoolhouse guys all the time from both Army and USMC, it's moving very quickly to streamline and simplify these things. Less is better, speed kills.
Brother I get it, but the fact of the matter is there are still folks out there that don't have that. Hell the Leopold that comes on the SASS 110 the Airfare ordered does not have a zero stop. So middle of the night you have know idea where the bottom is. There are places where you can't pull out a flashlight and check your turret.
But you can count the clicks.
If you must spot without a reticle, in the context of shooting at steel plates, you have two main options.
1) Call corrections in terms of target width. "Miss left, come right 1/2 target".
2) If you know your range and target size and you are the spotter, do the math to convert your target size into Mils at the beginning of the shooting session. 1 mil = 3.6" for every 100 yards, or 3.94" for every 100 meter or whatever units you want. Figure out how wide your target is (example 0.6 mils) then give corrections on the fly using the target width for estimation. You see shooter miss off left edge, you would call "come right 0.3 mils" and so on.
This is how you have to do it when spotting with binos.
Your giving me flashbacks....
Okay, I see where you coming from but I have to know Task Conditions and Standards. I know the task, suck less. It's the conditions and standards Im looking for. I agree, things are moving fast. So I spent all those years learning what a miss looked like mil wise from memory, I.e. at that distance it looked like you missed by about xxxx Mils. I didn't suck at calling shots for guys. Graduated SOTIC, I think they call it something else now.
Okay, that makes sense. I like that. Most of the steel I have guys shooting is 20" x 40". Avg man size. I know the constant for that, in meters in 508 and 1016 with regard to milling distance.
Here is a crappy picture, but the target is 1500 yards away 18x24,
We know it 18" wide, so 1/2 that off the plate is actually closer to .6 mils to the center because we want to call our impacts to center and not the edge of the plate.
The majority of my spotters have reticles, the Swarovski I use the most can be turned on or off and I tend to keep it very faint to overlay on the target, again shitty pic but you get the idea, those are 400 yards,
So i overlay that way I can see through it,
But just about everything has a reticle in it, best practice, even this ancient monstrosity has a reticle in it
We know it 18" wide, so 1/2 that off the plate is actually closer to .6 mils to the center because we want to call our impacts to center and not the edge of the plate.
The majority of my spotters have reticles, the Swarovski I use the most can be turned on or off and I tend to keep it very faint to overlay on the target, again shitty pic but you get the idea, those are 400 yards,
So i overlay that way I can see through it,
But just about everything has a reticle in it, best practice, even this ancient monstrosity has a reticle in it
D
Deleted member 10043
Guest
The standard is Direction and Distance from center of target in 3 to 5 seconds
Lining up a shooter for a first shot, you have command,
Shooter, Center Hold, (pause) Left 1 Mil, Send it
Bang!
Me: .4 right, send it
Shot out, Impact
All that is done in the time it takes the shooter to run the bolt,
Lining up a shooter for a first shot, you have command,
Shooter, Center Hold, (pause) Left 1 Mil, Send it
Bang!
Me: .4 right, send it
Shot out, Impact
All that is done in the time it takes the shooter to run the bolt,
To clarify
the reason I am calling a center hold first, is because of hold over or in your case the reticle,
Could be,
Shooter,
Hold 2.4 Mils High, Left 1 Mil, send it
The correction would include both if required,
.2 Down, .4 Right, Send it
But it still the same when they dial I call for a center hold first, places them on the right target too.
the reason I am calling a center hold first, is because of hold over or in your case the reticle,
Could be,
Shooter,
Hold 2.4 Mils High, Left 1 Mil, send it
The correction would include both if required,
.2 Down, .4 Right, Send it
But it still the same when they dial I call for a center hold first, places them on the right target too.
Similar threads
