The Next Trayvon Martin Case?
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that’s not completely accurate. The shooter provided a statement to which he states the reason for his confrontation with the victim is he fit the description of a man burglarizing the neighborhood.
Does not matter he started the chain by Trespassing which is a illegal act in an of it's self. Was he mentally defective or not of age to not know the property he was on/entered was not his, NO. Many will ask neighbors to watch/look after their property while away, Contractors will most always ask local folks to watch, ask questions of those who enter the property during none working hours. He made a concuss decision to enter the property fully knowing it was not his, therefore he started the chain of events, no one else.
That’s not actually how Chain of events works and i highly doubt it will hold up in this case.
again if this occurred, on that property while he was trespassing there is likely avalid argument. However once he left and theN proceeded to jog down the street there was a break in the event. There was no crime occurring and the individual who attempted to detain him is not the person who witnessed him. There was no positive ID and the owner did not file a complaint.
the so is important. The shooter did not speak to any first hand knowledge or even a positive ID.
a citizens arrest based on the oh so strong argument of fitting the description of... Male black is a thin thin argument for detaining a citizen.
there is someone who keeps racing through my neighborhood. Lots of kids in the neighborhood. It’s upsetting a lot of people. The person drives a silver F150. Should I detain and question all Drivers of silver F150s in the neighborhood because one had been speeding repeatedly in the neighborhood?
The events leading up a man running at a man with a gun, attacking a man with a gun, and trying to disarm a man with a gun are all but irrelevant. If someone tries to fight you for your gun, you shoot them.
seriously
ok you wife/sister is being detained against her will by two random armed men. She fights for her life and they shoot her. Irrelevant? She had it coming to her? It was to be expected? What if last week she stole a lipstick from a local store justified?
He wasn’t detained. It seems you’re watching a different video than anyone else.
please highlight the frames where he was being detained.
If your wife is detained on the suspicion of stealing lipstick and fights for someone’s gun and gets herself shot, she’s as stupid as it gets.
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You grasping at straws. Much like any other criminal event chain, that has been beat to death in court,.... he started it. It does not need to occur on the property, much like robbing a bank "an just being the driver", everything that happens during or afterwards is on everyone involved. You can try an twist words all you want but the bottom line is he started it by trespassing on property, which is an illegal act in & of it's self. That act alone goes to his state of mind. The laws of this land mean/meant nothing to him, as he thought he was above the law, and the laws of the land do.did not pertain to him. My guess is if you dig threw his life you will see a pattern, an once heard by a jury it can not be unheard. Course most paid butter-mouths these days, only want brain dead warm bodys on a jury,....why would that be???
I'm curious about the folks that are saying that Mr. Arbery had every right to charge/fight/attack Mr. McMichael and take his shotgun away.
Have any of those folks arguing on behalf of Mr. Arbery ever had a gun pointed at them when they are UNARMED?
I can speak from first hand experience. Trying to get the gun out of someone's hands can be extremely foolish. Sure we see some martial arts experts take a "dummy" gun from someone on the judo mat or the occasional store clerk grabbing a pistol out of a robber's hands when they put it to their head.
There are rare examples of an unarmed victim taking a gun away from an armed person.
I was closer to the person aiming the 1911 at my head. I was in much better shape and exponentially faster than the person with the pistol but there is no way I could have disarmed him before he could pull the trigger.
Again, I am saying all this because, Mr. Arbery was at least 20-30 yards away when he spotted the shotgun. Regardless of the reason he decided to go after Mr. McMichael instead of running in the other direction was the last foolish thing he had ever done in his life.
Mr. Arbery had the advantage of distance between him and the shotgun but chose not to take it.
Go through a situation when someone has a gun pointed at you and afterwards tell me why you didn't try to take it away from him or her. It's a lot different than watching a video from the comfort of your chair than to actually experience it.
Give me just one second while I slip into some comfortable nomex.
Have any of those folks arguing on behalf of Mr. Arbery ever had a gun pointed at them when they are UNARMED?
I can speak from first hand experience. Trying to get the gun out of someone's hands can be extremely foolish. Sure we see some martial arts experts take a "dummy" gun from someone on the judo mat or the occasional store clerk grabbing a pistol out of a robber's hands when they put it to their head.
There are rare examples of an unarmed victim taking a gun away from an armed person.
I was closer to the person aiming the 1911 at my head. I was in much better shape and exponentially faster than the person with the pistol but there is no way I could have disarmed him before he could pull the trigger.
Again, I am saying all this because, Mr. Arbery was at least 20-30 yards away when he spotted the shotgun. Regardless of the reason he decided to go after Mr. McMichael instead of running in the other direction was the last foolish thing he had ever done in his life.
Mr. Arbery had the advantage of distance between him and the shotgun but chose not to take it.
Go through a situation when someone has a gun pointed at you and afterwards tell me why you didn't try to take it away from him or her. It's a lot different than watching a video from the comfort of your chair than to actually experience it.
Give me just one second while I slip into some comfortable nomex.
You’re right; he made a foolish mistake and paid for it with his life. BUT you can’t just dismiss everything that leads up to that point either. Those men confronted him while armed. They waited for him, and had a third man following him in a vehicle while filming. Arberry should not have approached or acted the way he did, no doubt. But there would be no action had they not been there to confront him.
Grandpa was a horrible drunk. Couldnt stand to be in the same state with him. It was that bad. I wasnt likely to listen to him.
There was a hornets nest on the wellhouse wall. I was like 9 or 10, when he told me, pissed off hornets will hurt you, dont go pokin at the nest. Stay away from that nest boy. Walk around it, not near it.
Then, there was my first rattlesnake in the driveway. He said that snake will hurt you bad boy, could kill you, dont be messin with him, dont go stick your hand or leg in his mouth. You might not be here tomorrow if you do that. Walk around it, not near it.
And, there was my first cottonmouth. Said about the same thing as the rattlesnake, but added, walk a good ways around that mean sonofabitch, he will chase after your ass.
Mom didnt like grandpa's language but said I should pay attention about walking around those critters instead of poking them up. Said I should have learned the first time they told me not to poke the hot stove.
Took a couple of times, stove, red wasp nest, grandpas bottle....
Grandpa gave good advice, little smart ass redneck brat like me could figure that much out.
Sometimes, just sometimes, it paid to listen to good advice, didn't matter how ugly grandpa was drunk.
Now, my brother was a duuuuummmb shit. He poked the hornets nest. Was allergic to stings after that until he died. Almost died that day. He was smart enough to walk around the snakes after he poked the hornets nest. Always wondered what the snake would have done to him.
Got my ass tore up the time I pushed him at a copperhead.
Some people arent so lucky to have a mean ass ugly drunk grandpa to listen to. Some arent smart enough to listen. He told my brother life was tough enough, but tougher when you were stupid, after dumbass poked the hornets nest.
Then i learned superman couldn't handle kryptonite....
There was a hornets nest on the wellhouse wall. I was like 9 or 10, when he told me, pissed off hornets will hurt you, dont go pokin at the nest. Stay away from that nest boy. Walk around it, not near it.
Then, there was my first rattlesnake in the driveway. He said that snake will hurt you bad boy, could kill you, dont be messin with him, dont go stick your hand or leg in his mouth. You might not be here tomorrow if you do that. Walk around it, not near it.
And, there was my first cottonmouth. Said about the same thing as the rattlesnake, but added, walk a good ways around that mean sonofabitch, he will chase after your ass.
Mom didnt like grandpa's language but said I should pay attention about walking around those critters instead of poking them up. Said I should have learned the first time they told me not to poke the hot stove.
Took a couple of times, stove, red wasp nest, grandpas bottle....
Grandpa gave good advice, little smart ass redneck brat like me could figure that much out.
Sometimes, just sometimes, it paid to listen to good advice, didn't matter how ugly grandpa was drunk.
Now, my brother was a duuuuummmb shit. He poked the hornets nest. Was allergic to stings after that until he died. Almost died that day. He was smart enough to walk around the snakes after he poked the hornets nest. Always wondered what the snake would have done to him.
Got my ass tore up the time I pushed him at a copperhead.
Some people arent so lucky to have a mean ass ugly drunk grandpa to listen to. Some arent smart enough to listen. He told my brother life was tough enough, but tougher when you were stupid, after dumbass poked the hornets nest.
Then i learned superman couldn't handle kryptonite....
So you’ve never broken a law, right? Should you pay for that with your life? I mean common man, we’re still talking about a fucking human here. He wasn’t a terrorist. He wasn’t kidnapping and raping young girls. He AT WORST burglarized. So he deserves death? That callousness is just wrong, morally and otherwise.
Every single one of my crimes have been victimless, and the vast majority of them are speeding.
I said a long time back in this thread, I don’t feel the punishment for theft should be death, but if you grab someone else’s gun, be prepared to die.
I get what you’re saying, truly I do. If me or my family were attacked or charged the outcome would be no different. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t remember the human life that was lost. It’s still a tragedy, and as you said theft should not be punished by death. Some of these comments are just wrong though. Caring for other human beings and wanting to avoid the loss of life unless absolutely necessary shouldn’t be considered weakness, and by some around here the apathy is a bit sad.
I'll bet you would find a lot less burglary.
Look up the broken window theory.
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If these guys were filmed chasing this guy down and shooting him in the back, we wouldn’t be here, but you can clearly see the gun wasn’t even point at him until HE grabbed it and drew it towards himself!
Sure. Policing is great. And the rule of law is great too. I’m all for busting burglars and other would be menaces. I don’t want them around my community either. But I also wouldn’t confront them on a road without witnessing a crime while armed based on nothing more than a description. Different strokes and all that I suppose.I'll bet you would find a lot less burglary.
Look up the broken window theory.
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Broken windows theory - Wikipedia
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But why were they armed waiting for him? Why was a third person in a vehicle filming? Not a dash cam mind you. Everybody here should be accountable for their actions, not just Arberry. No confrontation=no shooting. Every single person played a part in this.
This entire thread is mostly conjecture and preconceived bias.
Trial by public opinion isn't just for the media, it's doing just fine here as well.
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No it's not,...but it is illegal to trespass,...
What do you think was gonna happen if this cocksucker would have got control of that shotgun?? You “come on man”. Btw my wager still stands.
Yes its not like the old days when they use to hang you for cattle raiding , criminals are now a protected class by the left today. Someone burglarizing a neighbors home I call 911. Someone crashes through my door to rob me then he accepts the risk of maybe not being able to leave vertically. Should burglary be punish by death no I guess but should we adopt the old Iranian method of cutting off hands so when you see a one handed man in your neighborhood you know right away what he's doing.
I knew a gentleman who grew up in New Dehli. We had an interesting conversation about crime & justice here versus India. I will preface this with saying that I prefer our system to theirs.
Nevertheless, he told me a story which highlights the visceral reaction to crime that we all have to some extant or another.
When he was a boy, one of his neighbors came home and caught a burglar in their house. The family managed to keep the burglar from escaping and went to work on not only his face but his entire body.
The shouting and commotion drew the attention of the other neighbors who came to the aid of the burglary victims. My friend told me a couple hundred people took part in the beating. He told me that what he saw didn't resemble a human being but raw, cut up meat. The burglar was begging for someone to call the police to arrest him.
When his rescuers came they took him to jail where he would be safe from his victims.
If the black community and their white mouthpieces actually cared about saving black lives they would use all of these police and other shootings of young blacks as training films.
“This is what gets you killed”
“Stopping when confronted with a gun saves your life.”
“If you do this bad things can happen DUE TO YOUR ACTIONS. “
Sadly, none of this is about saving lives, it is about the culture of victimhood and winning the ghetto lotto.
It’s about supporting lawlessness and the ghetto culture. It’s about supporting the “WTF are you gonna going to do about it attitude?”
In this case the question was answered.
“This is what gets you killed”
“Stopping when confronted with a gun saves your life.”
“If you do this bad things can happen DUE TO YOUR ACTIONS. “
Sadly, none of this is about saving lives, it is about the culture of victimhood and winning the ghetto lotto.
It’s about supporting lawlessness and the ghetto culture. It’s about supporting the “WTF are you gonna going to do about it attitude?”
In this case the question was answered.
I hate seeing anything about what happened here. It was media an DOJ that let the police and the community here hang out to dry over something that never happened the way they made out that it happened. Funny how it took the DOJ three time to finally say something after being forced to by a certain president at the time. Now they try to make these protestors here out to be heroes. From my experience here don’t believe what you are being force feed. There was so many fake news stories. What happened here is why way before Trump came along made me call it fake news.
Yes rumor here is they did not have to do with him until he was shot. He was supposedly living with his grandmother. The mom beat her with a pipe for selling T-shirts with his face on them
Biggest mistake here also was they let his buddy on TV with the bullshit narrative of hands up don’t shoot. Was a proven lie. The funny thing was no problems were had with the protest until the cameras were running. I use to live a mile from where that happened. People were lead to believe they burnt the town down. I had friends from out of town take them around to only hear the repeat of this is it? The news made it sound way worse.
the defendant has stated that his intent was to apply a citizens arrest upon the victim. The intent was to detain
now you see the jogger on the left side of the road. Truck on the right. An individual in the back of the truck and individual outside the truck on the left side of the road. The camera angle breaks and scans far to the right losing sight of the participants and then comes back left to see the jogger swerve to the right going around the truck on the right than engaging the individual having come around the front of the truck
now there is the video and there is the statements the participants have provided. The statement includes they were looking for the person involved in the home burglaries. The jogger fit the description. The description is black male. That’s it. They didn’t have a photo or a mug shot. No description of clothing no birthmark or tattoo. Black male
that city is 25% African America. Figure half of that is male. Since most people aren’t good at judging age certainly at a distance that means in this small town of 80,000 people about 5,000 fit that description. And here comes one jogging down the street.
we didn’t see him do anything. We don’t know him personally and we haven’t identified him. He fits the discription of 1 in 8. We are under no authority. We have not be deputized or askedby any authority to do a damn thing.
we admit our intent is to arrest this person. We are armed. We do not identify our selves as a swarm officer under any official doctrine because we don’t have one. And we are going to arrest an individual.
That individual does not willingly submit to our attempt at arresting them.
and they end up dead
1st degree murder no
Probably not second degree either
manslaughter probably
The defendants didn’t say they attempted citizens’ arrest. They wanted to ask him some questions. They said, “Hey, we want to ask you some questions.”
Even if they had attempted a citizen’s arrest, they were within the letter of GA law.
In your retelling you omit the fact that Arbery turned 90* left and rushed Travis at the front of the truck.
There are no degrees of murder in Georgia. There is only murder (like first degree murder). The prosecution recognizes the shooting, as a stand alone event, was justified by self defense or accidental. That’s why they are charging the case the way they are. Travis- Aggravated assault extending to felony murder. GregAiding and abetting aggravated assault extending to felony murder. The prosecution is going to have to prove some type of threat on the McMichaels’ part. Because the father wasn’t directly charged and the son was, and because the shouting likely came more from the father in the bed, and less from the son in the cab, the threat, as the prosecution seems to be establishing it, will be carrying the gun. It seems to me they’re going to have to try to prove brandishing. But the video clearly shows Travis McMichael NOT pointing the gun at Arbery, NOT waiving it angrily, and NOT yelling threats at Avery. It’s a pretty weak case.
not sure if its relevant but sticking ones nose in others business always makes that person look like a dik so in that way maybe it is sort of relevant
But the question still remains,....was he just starting turning his life around? I think not.
I'm thinking when you dig into his back-round you will see a pattern of typical small time punk behavior,....Hey bet there's some good shit in that place I can steal & sell, trespassing don't mean M/F'in shit,... no it don't,... unless your NOT the ghost you think you are.
Though-action-reaction,... kick the dog long enough, and at some point the dog will bite.
I'm thinking when you dig into his back-round you will see a pattern of typical small time punk behavior,....Hey bet there's some good shit in that place I can steal & sell, trespassing don't mean M/F'in shit,... no it don't,... unless your NOT the ghost you think you are.
Though-action-reaction,... kick the dog long enough, and at some point the dog will bite.
Sees a gun he just has to have. Doesn’t matter that it’s someone else’s. It that they’re holding it.
It just keeps getting better-
New video shows Ahmaud Arbery chased for 4 minutes by father and son who shot him: lawyer
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New video shows Ahmaud Arbery chased for 4 minutes by father and son who shot him: lawyer
New video shows Ahmaud Arbery chased for 4 minutes by father and son who shot him: lawyer
Ahmaud Arbery, the Georgia jogger gunned down by a white father and son with links to local law enforcement, was chased for more than 4 minutes by the duo and a neighbor who filmed the incident before he being shot and killed, an attorney for Arbery's family said.
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So there's a 4 minute video? Where? All I saw was talking heads.
If you're the Lawyer for Arbery's family, and you have a 4 minute video showing him being chased by the Shooters, why hasn't it come out?
Three answers:
1. It's so damning that you want to save it for the trial to really FUCK the bubbas.
2. It actually incriminates Arbery.
3. It actually corroborates the McMichael story.
I thought it strange that the video leaked picks up so far from the CCTV site. And he's running Back TOWARDS the McMichaels and a dead-end.
The only way out of this community is up Satilla Dr past Zellwood Drive...
Three answers:
1. It's so damning that you want to save it for the trial to really FUCK the bubbas.
2. It actually incriminates Arbery.
3. It actually corroborates the McMichael story.
I thought it strange that the video leaked picks up so far from the CCTV site. And he's running Back TOWARDS the McMichaels and a dead-end.
The only way out of this community is up Satilla Dr past Zellwood Drive...
No one knows.
I'm just piecing together what we do know.
1. He started at the construction site (Satilla Drive) and ran south... I think the CCTV from across the street shows him booking it out to the left of the screen (south).
2. We see the video of the shooting showing him running south around a slight bend to the left and into the truck at the intersection. (Street view vs. video place them on Holmes Road)
We have NO idea what path he actually took.
This is only conjecture based on starting position & direction, vs ending position/direction.... For all we know he could have ran through the woods/yards.
The Yellow path is about 2000 ft. and you'd be moving at 8ft/s if you took 4 minutes to move that path. (5mph) a nice "jogging" 12min mile pace.
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