Simple and efficient!I think the most important part is where he says to test it. Blindly setting a 1:1 on your throat erosion without testing is what a lot of people do.
And his theory is, if you have to test it anyway, why bother with the measuring?
Also, for anyone interested, he’s the Team Captain for Team Lapua/Berger/Borden/Brux. And he finds his powder charge weight with a chrono without even shooting at a target.
Simple and efficient!
Let’s ask the real experts!According to many, it wrong and doesn’t work.
According to many, it wrong and doesn’t work.
I see it as this.So his position is you’re not chasing the lands because no one can define where the lands are. You are therefore chasing the node because the node moves as the lands erode. Potato, potato... And Litz has said that with his Hybrid you can set it and forget it because the hybrid ogjive will forgive the lands for moving away.
So his position is you’re not chasing the lands because no one can define where the lands are. You are therefore chasing the node because the node moves as the lands erode. Potato, potato... And Litz has said that with his Hybrid you can set it and forget it because the hybrid ogjive will forgive the lands for moving away.
Exactly.Not completely.
He’s also asserting that at times the node doesn’t move with erosion. Which is another reason he doesn’t measure.
And these guys (team) are running hybrids. Sometimes they move them, sometimes they don’t. Regardless of what Litz designed them to do (not a knock on him).
Ogives and meplats have a fair amount of variance. Just like finding an ocw node that has some forgiveness for pressure variance, you should strive for the same with seating depth to account for that inconsistancy. If all things were perfect we would all be one hole shooters all the time.I don’t like his seating philosophy. He is seating his bullets on the edge of the node. He is assuming all of the bullets in the box are identical and will seat the same. Sometimes they don’t.
Seating in the middle of the node is better.
But how much difference is there from the spot where the seating die touches and the ogive?I don’t like his seating philosophy. He is seating his bullets on the edge of the node. He is assuming all of the bullets in the box are identical and will seat the same. Sometimes they don’t.
Seating in the middle of the node is better.
Thats why you have to sort everything!
I don’t sort Berger’s at all.They rarely sort berger. If they do, it’s 5 at a time for weight and if something is up with the weight, they check those 5.
I believe they are tipping/trimming them though.
They also don’t sort brass or mess with primer pockets.
Why not go OCD on your abilities then?Diminishing returns and all. But sorting feeds my ocd. I’ll bin brass and bullets by weight. For a batch of loads, bullets get sorted by length. Pretty sure it makes no appreciable difference for my abilities, I’d like to think in theory the loads would string vertically in a uniform/predictable manner.
As far as uniforming pockets, quality headstamped brass doesn’t need it in the first place.
I plan on testing this concept out with my new 6mm barrel.
I’ve been very sloppy about it in my .260 and use almost set it and forget it using 136 gr Scenar Ls. They have been extremely jump tolerant. Over the course of a barrel, I have only typically had to adjust bullet seating depth once or twice just to tweak it back.What is your current process? Do you set a length at the beginning and leave it, measure and maintain the same jump as your throat erodes. Or test length a little longer when it stops shooting really well, and cleaning doesn't bring it back?
I’ve been very sloppy about it in my .260 and use almost set it and forget it using 136 gr Scenar Ls. They have been extremely jump tolerant. Over the course of a barrel, I have only typically had to adjust bullet seating depth once or twice just to tweak it back.
I've just started to break in a 6 BR and think I will try this method with it.
For the bullets I buy today I agree with this.I see it as this.
Find a node Safely off the lands don’t change it unless it proves it should changed.
Where the lands are never matters except when finding that initial safe starting point.
On a new chamber, almost all bullets have a magical seat depth if one takes the time to find. And IME, the seat depth for a bullet transfers from barrel to barrel.His first video made me laugh... about the guys shooting mag length with good groups. Yea, thats me. I set up at mag length and don't worry about it unless I'm hitting the lands
If this was for me, I say not really, freebore is freebore, position remains the same IME. Regardless of chamber dimensions, it is still bullet to lands.But that’s assuming the same barrel length and chamber dimensions, right?
On a new chamber, almost all bullets have a magical seat depth if one takes the time to find. And IME, the seat depth for a bullet transfers from barrel to barrel.
Example: 6mm 105 Hybrid may like .010" off, it will be extremely close on any new chamber.
The point of it is, im not going to loqd to the point of not being able to feed from a mag. Its going to feed from a mag, or ill find a bullet that does. Never had a SMK that wouldn't shoot well even when you're jumping in like Michael Jordan nutsmacking someone on a dunk from the 3 point line
Ok, thanks for that, I guess somehow I took what you were implying wrong. For me, being I usually run close to the lands, other than an AR 223, I would probably rebarrel before I settled on mag length, and get the freebore I wanted.The point of it is, im not going to loqd to the point of not being able to feed from a mag. Its going to feed from a mag, or ill find a bullet that does. Never had a SMK that wouldn't shoot well even when you're jumping in like Michael Jordan nutsmacking someone on a dunk from the 3 point line
Of coarse it will not affect mag length, rebarreling to a lesser freebore would allow one to run close to the lands and still be under mag length. As bullets become longer and longer, on some cases, going to longer action may be the only answer.I don't think rebarrel is going to effect a set mag lenght.
Defiance makes that medium action today, getting some support in stocks and magazines. Be an option, but I agree with you, screw it.A long action chambered in sa caliber?
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