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Never Trumpers and Those Who Don't Like Trump

How do you say that voting for Trump goes against your ethics, but you vote for a man/woman combo who are out to destroy the very Constitution you took an oath to defend?

because he’s a knob who who’s secretly on board with orange man bad but doesn’t want his friends to know he likes getting pegged
 
I will swallow hard, hope for the best, plan for the worst, and color in the dot next to Biden/Harris on my safe and legal mail-in ballot (dropped off with plenty of time for delivery). Note ... Oregon has been a 100% Vote-By-Mail state for over a decade, and it works extremely well.

You're an enemy of the Consitution as far as I'm concerned.
 
How do you say that voting for Trump goes against your ethics, but you vote for a man/woman combo who are out to destroy the very Constitution you took an oath to defend?
Respectfully ... it seems you're confusing a "moral" belief, with a "political" one. The Congress makes the laws. The Courts uphold the laws. And the President protects and defends the laws. When one of those branches gets misaligned, the others check and balance that. There's a whopping big difference (IMHO) between telling easily verifiable lies regularly (i.e. Trump) ... and putting forward a political agenda much of which I disagree with (i.e. Biden and Gun Rights). You can "say" that Biden/Harris are trying to "destroy the Constitution" ... but that's a political belief, not a demonstrable fact. It is my "belief" that restoring civility and decency to the Presidency, is important right now than a political agenda. It's also my "hope" that any attempt to negatively impact my constitutional right to bear arms, will be dealt with correctly by the Congress and the Courts. I believe in this system of government, and in the checks and balances the founders built into it.

You may be right, and I may be wrong ... but the glory of democracy is when men of good conscience and righteous intent, can disagree, respect each others' perspectives, and cast their votes to match their beliefs. I wish you well, and totally understand where you're coming from.

BTW ... given my history, of which you are understandably unaware ... questioning my oath or my patriotism because my political beliefs differ from yours, seems unfair. I struggle with the inference that every Biden/Harris supporter is somehow "disloyal" to this country ... that if we don't vote the way "you" think we should vote we are consciously and willingly participating in the destruction of our Constitution ... well ... I respectfully disagree with your understanding of what it means to live in a democracy. You and I each get a vote, as do a few hundred million others out there. Let's see how this all unfolds. One thing is for sure ... it's going to be "interesting".

Thanks for the debate. I've enjoyed it. I'm going shooting ... 🎧
 
You're an enemy of the Consitution as far as I'm concerned.
I understand that reaction. I mean ... it's not like we're in the "Think Left Political Activism Chat Room" ... right? LOL
Just to pile on and help you feel better about that judgment ... I'm also Pro-Choice. That probably means I hate God?
I'm signing off now to go find a good therapist to help me deal with your rejection.
 
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I value honesty, civility, and collaborative problem-solving in the politicians I vote for. Who we elect as President is a mirror of who we are as a people. I look in the mirror right now, and I don't like what I see.
Shit...we're fucked. I look around and see people...I don't like people. Present company excluded...well some
 
I think this thread was made up to find out who is against Trump. It has gotten personal. As an INDEPENDENT and more concerned about the issues rather then the personalities here is one view (not necessarily mine) as to why people may not like Trump. Anyone who criticizes me as being a liberal or Dumbocrat is really ignorant, or stupid, but here are some reasons as to why some people think Trump should not be POTUS. Those who are really stupid or ignorant will show exactly how much if they don't give a valid reason why a reason is not true.

 
I think this thread was made up to find out who is against Trump. It has gotten personal. As an INDEPENDENT and more concerned about the issues rather then the personalities here is one view (not necessarily mine) as to why people may not like Trump. Anyone who criticizes me as being a liberal or Dumbocrat is really ignorant, or stupid, but here are some reasons as to why some people think Trump should not be POTUS. Those who are really stupid or ignorant will show exactly how much if they don't give a valid reason why a reason is not true.


I knew most of that when I voted for him. And I did it anyway because he's a fucking brawler. Every time we go with the "squeaky clean" candidate we get our ass handed to us by the left.

Enough. Fight fire with an even fucking hotter fire.

And oh yea GRAB 'EM BY THE PUSSY
 
I think this thread was made up to find out who is against Trump. It has gotten personal. As an INDEPENDENT and more concerned about the issues rather then the personalities here is one view (not necessarily mine) as to why people may not like Trump. Anyone who criticizes me as being a liberal or Dumbocrat is really ignorant, or stupid, but here are some reasons as to why some people think Trump should not be POTUS. Those who are really stupid or ignorant will show exactly how much if they don't give a valid reason why a reason is not true.

Scary list ... never seen that before. Thanks for sharing, and thanks for your reasoned and intelligent dialogue/perspective. I've been attempting that, but been less than completely successful thus far. Voting for one of two imperfect solutions is hard. I don't particularly like either choice, but after introspection and soul-searching ... I'm comfortable with where I've landed.
 
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i don't care what trump says, i care what he does in office to make my life better and my family safer.
if you care what politicians say more than what they do, you can go ahead and suck hillary's dick.
 
@rustyinbend

I dont confuse much. Im a linguist by training. You were the one who said voting for Trump went against your ethical priniciples, so you vote for a useless pedo and a whore who incites riots.

While I am not quite like many here (Who are douchebags, even if they are voting for Trump) I will say I usually have pretty strong reason (actual substance) for what I say.

Here is Kamala saying folks should riot up to and after the election.
she never makes a differentiation between peaceful protest (signs and chanting) and violent insurrection.



I dont love Trump. I do think he is a better choice than Harris (be honest, Joe Biden is gone From office in less than 12 months).

I believe democrats As a party supporting Antifa, BLM and rioters gives them liability, henceforth making them an enemy of the Constitution.
you are probably aware there is a lot of stuff shaking out that isnt hitting the news.

Children are blessings from the Lord to be treasured. End of story
 
Bend is a nice place. It isn't Portland. On the other hand I lived in a nice place in California for years that wasn't San Francisco, but what do you know, it is now. That kind of experience soured me on the idea that I should vote on anything other than policy, but that is a far cry from being happy with Trump the man. I think it is a mistake to think anything other will happen to Bend, and then probably all the way out to me, but hopefully not before I am gone. That is why I am willing to vote for a cretin.

N.B. If you want to stay away from voting for somebody who is a loathsome individual, who uses her office for free goodies and who truly is morally bankrupt, I would suggest staying as far away from Kamala Harris as possible. And yeah, I know some of that first hand.
 
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i won’t vote for him. I won’t vote for Biden. I am voting for Jorgensen, although I doubt that even if she was somehow elected she would make a difference. If people think that the presidential position has, for at-least the last half century, been anything other than a figurehead for our corporate oligarchy... then they don’t understand how politics, lobbying nor finances work.
 
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Bend is a nice place. It isn't Portland. On the other hand I lived in a nice place in California for years that wasn't San Francisco, but what do you know, it is now. That kind of experience soured me on the idea that I should vote on anything other than policy, but that is a far cry from being happy with Trump the man. I think it is a mistake to think anything other will happen to Bend, and then probably all the way out to me, but hopefully not before I am gone. That is why I am willing to vote for a cretin.

N.B. If you want to stay away from voting for somebody who is a loathsome individual, who uses her office for free goodies and who truly is morally bankrupt, I would suggest staying as far away from Kamala Harris as possible. And yeah, I know some of that first hand.
Balanced perspective ... thank you.
 
I know a few people who know him and his family personally. Their opinions are quite different from the people who base their opinions on his tweets and what the media spouts.

for anyone who says he’s not intelligent and that anyone can turn 100mil loan in to billions. A simple question. Why haven’t you done it?


Trump didn’t turn $100 Mil into a billion. If you can believe him he took a million dollar loan from his father when he got started. If that’s made into a billion, that’s the same as taking $1000 and turning it into a million. Probably not true, but folks seem to tote that story about. So to all the guys here smarter than Trump, why have t you made your thousand into a million yet?
 
Here is a thread for those who, for whatever reason, don't like President Trump. Never Trumpers, please tell us the reason you don't like President Trump. Those who identify as a Democrat or Independent, please explain why you'd never vote for President Trump in 2020.

This is a serious thread. I'm very interested in exploring your thoughts and reason.
BullGear ... dude ... look what you started !!!
 
Have you considered anger-management classes? I'm just sayin' ...
anger?
my wife, who immigrated from el salvador in the 80s, counsels rape victims in the latino community.
if you think this is me being mad, you should see me after my wife tells me about a victim that was raped by a illegal alien that was already convicted of rape here in the US, went to prison, was deported, and came right back to rape again.
why do alien criminals come here to rape?
because their targeted victims are other immigrants that don't trust the police and don't report crimes of any kind.
even in places like here where it has been illegal to ask a victim for resident status for decades, latinos don't report a lot of crime.
often, they take matters into their own hands if the can catch the bad guy.
and the evil rapists will often threaten the victim or her family and tell her she will be deported if she reports it.
at best in the US, only 1 in 3 rapes are reported. in the latino community, that might be 1 in 10, and that is why rapists come back.

and you help them. so fuck you.

Protecting illegal immigrant criminal entry hurts the folks democrats pretend to care about.
 
@rustyinbend

I dont confuse much. Im a linguist by training. You were the one who said voting for Trump went against your ethical priniciples, so you vote for a useless pedo and a whore who incites riots.

While I am not quite like many here (Who are douchebags, even if they are voting for Trump) I will say I usually have pretty strong reason (actual substance) for what I say.

Here is Kamala saying folks should riot up to and after the election.
she never makes a differentiation between peaceful protest (signs and chanting) and violent insurrection.



I dont love Trump. I do think he is a better choice than Harris (be honest, Joe Biden is gone From office in less than 12 months).

I believe democrats As a party supporting Antifa, BLM and rioters gives them liability, henceforth making them an enemy of the Constitution.
you are probably aware there is a lot of stuff shaking out that isnt hitting the news.

Children are blessings from the Lord to be treasured. End of story


One of the greatest feats was dems convincing people about abortion. This despite is roots in racism, and its disproportional impact on minority communities.

Its logic numbing...
 
anger?
my wife, who immigrated from el salvador in the 80s, counsels rape victims in the latino community.
if you think this is me being mad, you should see me after my wife tells me about a victim that was raped by a illegal alien that was already convicted of rape here in the US, went to prison, was deported, and came right back to rape again?
why do alien criminals come here to rape?
because their targeted victims are other immigrants that don't trust the police and don't report crimes of any kind.
even in places like here where it has been illegal to ask a victim for resident status, latinos don't report crime.
and the evil rapists will often threaten the victim or her family and tell her she will be deported if she reports it.
at best in the US, only 1 in 3 rapes are reported. in the latino community, that might be 1 in 10, and that is why rapists come back.

and you help them. so fuck you.

Protecting illegal immigrant criminal entry hurts the folks democrats pretend to care about.
Wow, that's awful. I'm sorry your wife has to deal with that, but like her clients, I'm grateful for her service to your community.
Interestingly ... immigration reform is a place where I differ with most Democratic policy goals. Illegal immigration is an area that demands tough laws and great vigilance. I suspect we have more in common than you may think. My issues with Trump are much more about ethics, than they are about policy. Like I've said before ... neither choice is a good one. Our Primary system that selects our candidates ... SUCKS !!!
 
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Wow, that's awful. I'm sorry your wife has to deal with that, but like her clients, I'm grateful for her service to your community.
Interestingly ... immigration reform is a place where I differ with most Democratic policy goals. Illegal immigration is an area that demands tough laws and great vigilance. I suspect we have more in common than you may think. My issues with Trump are much more about ethics, than they are about policy. Like I've said before ... neither choice is a good one. Our Primary system that selects our candidates ... SUCKS !!!
i'm glad to hear we have some things in common, however, trump is the only thing that stands between us and open borders, increased crime, increased drug addiction and deaths, more of our brothers and sisters coming home in a coffin or wheelchair, and a litany of other horrors and impositions on our freedoms.

you are with us, or against us. regardless of your personal feelings about trump's personality, it really comes down to that.

 
Let me explain for you in simple terms, through a nice story...

A fat ugly girl who smells a bit walks into the room offering blowjobs. There are three responses:

1. You take a blowjob, then you eat her out and tell your friends she was super hot.
2. You think about it a bit, walk over to a dark corner, think about a hot chick while she gets your rocks off, but hell, you don't fuck a face and it is better than a hand, but you know better than to brag about it.
3. You say, well I would never, I prefer nocturnal emission in my spiderman underoos.

You guys are #1, I am #2, Never Trumpers are #3.
BFC would hit it.
 
imagine how many more of our brothers and sisters would be dying in iraq and syria, maybe killed by weapons we paid for with our taxes, without Trump.
if you are against trump for any reason, you are part of the problem. fuck you.

if you didn't already know, the EU and the arabs states wanted to get rid of assad, not because he violated human rights (he killed fewer innocents than janet reno), but British Petroleum had drawn up plans to build a pipeline from the gulf to europe, through syria and turkey.
turkey's erdogan was drooling over the possible transport fees a pipeline would bring, so of course he helped McCain and Clinton smuggle arms to the Muslim Brotherhood to get a war started to remove assad.
but it didn't go well, and assad was still winning, so Obama and Brennan got more directly involved, and started training the terrorists (calling them rebels so it wasn't obvious they were funding our enemies).
imagine if the NYT would print this, what the real story might be. brennan wanted to expand the program, despite knowing the rebels and the terrorists were basically the same, and many "rebels" he trained ran straight to the enemies of the USA. We were fighting ISIS in Syria, remember?
besides that, the same atrocities, murders and rape of christians that happened under ISIS happened in areas controlled by US backed "rebels". fact.


The fact that some of their C.I.A. weapons ended up with Nusra Front fighters — and that some of the rebels joined the group — confirmed the fears of many in the Obama administration when the program began.
Although the Nusra Front was widely seen as an effective fighting force against Mr. Assad’s troops, its Qaeda affiliation made it impossible for the Obama administration to provide direct support for the group.
 
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I am beginning to think that weaker people in our country are thinking of voting for Biden so the mean Antifa will stop rioting for their Marxist Revolution. Well yeah, criminals would also like it if you opened your safe and left the front door to your house open as you drove away to escape the meanies too. May as well sign your retirement fund over to BLM too. Because if they get their way - it will all be gone.

WTF? People no longer believe that their rights, freedoms, and country are worth defending or fighting for?
 
Balanced perspective ... thank you.
Thanks. I do have to say that I understood the impetus to vote Democrat much better before they turned against the First Amendment in such a violent and complete way. As is clear from this thread and others, I am not a Trump guy, but it is hard for me to imagine him doing something more damaging to our national character than the institutionalization of anti-first amendment policy. I don't agree with a lot of the comments about being the last bulwark between America and communism, but I do think the Democrats are on a thin and dangerous line with many of their newer beliefs, and Biden seems just fine with them.
Trump didn’t turn $100 Mil into a billion. If you can believe him he took a million dollar loan from his father when he got started. If that’s made into a billion, that’s the same as taking $1000 and turning it into a million. Probably not true, but folks seem to tote that story about. So to all the guys here smarter than Trump, why have t you made your thousand into a million yet?
If you can believe him does A LOT of heavy lifting in this post.
 
I voted for Trump and will again, but I never thought electing an emotional blowhard was the wisest move. Actually, I really don't like emotion based decisions.
Maybe I am a convert today, Have to like the guy just based off how he infuriates the left. Not 100% sure all that shit has played in our favor though. Hate is strong in this country, and face it, I don't think he has ever tried to unite this country, if that is even possible.

I'm pretty sure the hate pot was filled and fired up from 2008-16. They spent 8 years cultivating that shit just to serve it (AKA as shove it down our throats) to the general public in 2016.

The last 4 years we have watched that pot boil over, time and time again.
Eventually, it's gonna catch fire.
 
I am beginning to think that weaker people in our country are thinking of voting for Biden so the mean Antifa will stop rioting for their Marxist Revolution. Well yeah, criminals would also like it if you opened your safe and left the front door to your house open as you drove away to escape the meanies too. May as well sign your retirement fund over to BLM too. Because if they get their way - it will all be gone.

WTF? People no longer believe that their rights, freedoms, and country are worth defending or fighting for?
and that is the irony or tragedy of this.
it isn't about democrats winning. george floyd died in a democrat run city, with a democrat police commissioner, democrat DA, a democrat mayor, and democrat city council, in a state run by a democrat governor.
no, it isn't about democrats taking control, it is about anarchists and communists taking control.
 
I do have to say that I understood the impetus to vote Democrat much better before they turned against the First Amendment in such a violent and complete way.

I'm starting to understand what you really are.
 
I'm pretty sure the hate pot was filled and fired up from 2008-16. They spent 8 years cultivating that shit just to serve it (AKA as shove it down our throats) to the general public in 2016.

The last 4 years we have watched that pot boil over, time and time again.
Eventually, it's gonna catch fire.
in 2016, before they realized they should wait and blame everything on trump, cnn polling showed the divider in chief destroyed decades of progress in race relations. of course, i post this on their twitter feed all the time, but they still blame trump.

 
I don't like everything that comes out of his mouth. Is he arrogant? Maybe. A little immature? Probably. I'm not planning on fucking him, living with him, or marrying him so the majority of his personal flaws don't much matter. I vote for him because of his promises for this country, in 2016 and moving forward. There's NOTHING Dems have to offer of any value to me.
 
Thanks. I do have to say that I understood the impetus to vote Democrat much better before they turned against the First Amendment in such a violent and complete way. As is clear from this thread and others, I am not a Trump guy, but it is hard for me to imagine him doing something more damaging to our national character than the institutionalization of anti-first amendment policy. I don't agree with a lot of the comments about being the last bulwark between America and communism, but I do think the Democrats are on a thin and dangerous line with many of their newer beliefs, and Biden seems just fine with them.

If you can believe him does A LOT of heavy lifting in this post.
who gives a fuck how and when trump got rich?
what means more to me is that trump was willing to lose half of his fortune (so far) to save us from Clinton, while Obama's wealth was x30 when he left office.
 
i won’t vote for him. I won’t vote for Biden. I am voting for Jorgensen, although I doubt that even if she was somehow elected she would make a difference. If people think that the presidential position has, for at-least the last half century, been anything other than a figurehead for our corporate oligarchy... then they don’t understand how politics, lobbying nor finances work.
The libertarian party is pretty much the party of the radical left now.

They blatantly support ANTIFA and BLM......they were even tweeting support for the chaz, and giving their local warlord priase......the LP can get fucked
 
Oh boy. Out come the Jew conspiracies. Have fun, dudes.
 
Put me in the camp of “go fuck your feelings”

there is no perfect candidate.
TRUMP fills in all the spots. Just the fact how much he pisses off lefties and weak “centrists” makes me love him more.

I’m glad he pisses off who he does. Because what comes after him is but a glow on the horizon, and it’s not the sunrise. You all better make hay while the sun still shines. This will be ugly. Either in 50 days or 4 years and 50 days. I wish you all well. Save yourself first. Then help the patriots.

bring this shit on.
 
i won’t vote for him. I won’t vote for Biden. I am voting for Jorgensen, although I doubt that even if she was somehow elected she would make a difference. If people think that the presidential position has, for at-least the last half century, been anything other than a figurehead for our corporate oligarchy... then they don’t understand how politics, lobbying nor finances work.
don't you know that is why the establishment hates him, chad?
you see the disease, yet you won't support the cure. this makes me sad.
 
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Oh boy. Out come the Jew conspiracies. Have fun, dudes.
Just because you use the word conspiracy doesn't mean it's not true.

But maybe it makes you feel better using the word conspiracy so you can sit and chuckle.
 
Call me crazy

Done

I will swallow hard, hope for the best, plan for the worst, and color in the dot next to Biden/Harris on my safe and legal mail-in ballot (dropped off with plenty of time for delivery).

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i removed the fact sheet since it bothered you. sorry about that.
It doesn't bother me. I mean, a lot of those people aren't Jews, so it isn't a "fact sheet" but I hardly think you should take it down because I think it is stupid.

Just because you use the word conspiracy doesn't mean it's not true.

But maybe it makes you feel better using the word conspiracy so you can sit and chuckle.
It is a conspiracy theory, though, isn't it. In the fullest sense of the term it is a theory about a conspiracy of the Jews. Conspiracy theories are just that, theories of conspiracy. It isn't a value judgment. Though I am happy to give you one if you like, chucklehead.
 
It doesn't bother me. I mean, a lot of those people aren't Jews, so it isn't a "fact sheet" but I hardly think you should take it down because I think it is stupid.


It is a conspiracy theory, though, isn't it. In the fullest sense of the term it is a theory about a conspiracy of the Jews. Conspiracy theories are just that, theories of conspiracy. It isn't a value judgment. Though I am happy to give you one if you like, chucklehead.
i am not talking about any conspiracy, perhaps at most a commonality of politics in a certain segment of society.
i find it odd if not outright hypocritical than CNN claims to support "diversity" and yet seems to lack this throughout the top levels of the company.
perhaps you are right about many of them not being "jewish" since we have already been advised that liberals jews aren't really jewish.