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As stated, shooter had a CCW and had since 2018. after being arrested, the sheriff in the county the permit was issued revoked the status.

As said by @Redmanss, Pinkerton security has a LONG history of being dirtbags. Hiring a a guy for this job through a secondary contractor agency appears to be just a way to collect some $ but attempt to insulate themselves from stuff like this.
Dude did not have appropriate paperwork/license to be 1. a security guard for pay in Denver and 2. carry an "armed" endorsement.

Dude is a leftist and a Bernie Bro who decided fighting armed for his beliefs was ok.

The pics and videos I have seen sure make it tough to see he followed the CO CCW laws.....
I agree.... the other observations I have with this shooter are these:

1.) he had to be fairly well heeled... the rig he was carrying was around $600 for the 19 MOS, another $400 for the Trijicon RMR and around $200 for the new compact Streamlight..
2.) he was carrying charged... from the photos there was no move to pull the slide to arm the chamber... he was a major accident waiting to happen, or he intended fast fast action...

carrying a charged chamber to a conflicted protest rally is, to me, evidence of intent... just waiting to be incited.. the guy needs fried but in Colorado not likely...

I hope he was not a USCCA member... if he was, then there has to be a cold decision made on that side regarding his defense
 
Many!, if you just count the news crews at the rallies and reasonably assume they all have paid security. But do these security folks stir the shit up, i doubt it , babysitting for news crews is probably the best job the held in months

Unlike other victims of the 2020 riots, here the deceased's family will get millions in lawsuits against the corporation that hired the shooter,if i remember correctly they are part of the Warner Group so a juicy target for ambulance-chasing lawyers. Pinkerton says he worked for a subcontractor, his lawyer says he has done security work for over a year now, he had CCW , but no licence for security work at least not in Denver, the subcontractor is not being named.
You can be sure lawsuits will be flying left and right

I don't think reporter will get much flack,its not his job to check the credentials of the security folk, that would be Pinkertons that contracted the guy, via subcontractor.

I am not saying that a majority are active shit disturbers. But look at what passes for media these days and who they align with. Its not a far stretch, IMO to extrapolate those views onto who they are hiring to provide "security".

Many good guys too, not saying there isnt.
 
Carrying without one in the tube is not carrying.
I disagree, unless you are walking into an active combat zone, where they are flying already... if practiced, chambering and unholstering can be combined just as fast... in this case no evidence of the two hands together before the sight picture
 
I disagree, unless you are walking into an active combat zone, where they are flying already... if practiced, chambering and unholstering can be combined just as fast... in this case no evidence of the two hands together before the sight picture

Thank you much, for taking the pressure off my previous comment.
 
@OldSalty2

In regards to this post...

"Wonder how many PAID "security" bros hired by corporations and "reporters" are actual participants in fuckery?
Who paid the way for black guns matter bro?
Did reporter bro get both security bro and black guns matter bro into the protest area under disguise of "media"?
Who does security bro actually work for? Not Pinkerton..a subcontractor? Who would that subc be?"



I think they "buy" into their sides propaganda concerning guns....

ie - 2A allows anyone without qualification to access "arms" and begin shooting people - Hey works that way in Chicago.

The reporter hiring "security" believes his own BS that "arms" is just a frivolous perk of the Constitution to be exercised without responsibility or without regards to all the hoops that they in their "journalism" have ensured that the law abiding must adhere to.

Now these people feel they need protection and they are going to access the 2A with the assumption there is no responsibility or obligation in that decision. They understand 2A equates to "free fire zone" qualifications.

As far as I am concerned the reporter should be as liable as the shooter.

He chose to "arm" himself by proxy.

Its one thing to take on a "registered security company" and insulate yourself from liability by their meeting any state employee vetting, training, licensing and insurance obligations they are required to meet...

but....

when you hire any "goon" because he has shot IDPA and you invest them with the power of deadly force to protect you, you personally have invested them with making decisions for you, in your name like power of attorney, to employ your rights to self defense.

Perhaps this reporter will get a strong lesson in how responsible people view the Second Amendments obligations and responsibilities.....I hope he truly comes to understand why it is such an awesome and necessary thing not to be abused or taken lightly.
If the reporter’s employer signed the contract with the Pinkerton subcontractor it better have some pretty stiff indemnification verbiage, otherwise victim will go after all parties involved. If no contract was signed and no master agreement exists, it will be every entity for there selves in court. Attorney may use statutory employee to get to the station and potentially the station’s operator/owner. Dollars to donuts says the subcontractor is a LLC and declares chapter 7 if they haven’t already done so.
 
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1.) he had to be fairly well heeled... the rig he was carrying was around $600 for the 19 MOS, another $400 for the Trijicon RMR and around $200 for the new compact Streamlight..
2.) he was carrying charged... from the photos there was no move to pull the slide to arm the chamber... he was a major accident waiting to happen, or he intended fast fast action...

carrying a charged chamber to a conflicted protest rally is, to me, evidence of intent... just waiting to be incited.. the guy needs fried but in Colorado not likely...

I’d respond to this, but I don’t want to sound like I’m defending this POS.

Good content on 710 KNUS right now.
9 news guy: Zach Newman. Apparently his twitter feed is enlightening. Birds of a feather...
Black Guns Matter T-shirt dude: Jacob Lebron Kelly. Instigator with criminal history.

 
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I disagree, unless you are walking into an active combat zone, where they are flying already... if practiced, chambering and unholstering can be combined just as fast... in this case no evidence of the two hands together before the sight picture


When hunting deer do you wait to chamber until you see the deer?

If that is silly than I assume deer are so dangerous as to require having your rifle loaded and locked?

This is going to shit up an otherwise retarded thread to begin with.
 
Fairly strong rhetoric.
Strange if their team is so strong on the polls.
The stage is being set for a "contested" election.
If they can't cheat enough votes they'll push the antifa button.

R

Looks to me that they are calling for the eradication of people with different beliefs. That would be the start of the next Civil War for sure.
 
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@OldSalty2

In regards to this post...

"Wonder how many PAID "security" bros hired by corporations and "reporters" are actual participants in fuckery?
Who paid the way for black guns matter bro?
Did reporter bro get both security bro and black guns matter bro into the protest area under disguise of "media"?
Who does security bro actually work for? Not Pinkerton..a subcontractor? Who would that subc be?"



I think they "buy" into their sides propaganda concerning guns....

ie - 2A allows anyone without qualification to access "arms" and begin shooting people - Hey works that way in Chicago.

The reporter hiring "security" believes his own BS that "arms" is just a frivolous perk of the Constitution to be exercised without responsibility or without regards to all the hoops that they in their "journalism" have ensured that the law abiding must adhere to.

Now these people feel they need protection and they are going to access the 2A with the assumption there is no responsibility or obligation in that decision. They understand 2A equates to "free fire zone" qualifications.

As far as I am concerned the reporter should be as liable as the shooter.

He chose to "arm" himself by proxy.

Its one thing to take on a "registered security company" and insulate yourself from liability by their meeting any state employee vetting, training, licensing and insurance obligations they are required to meet...

but....

when you hire any "goon" because he has shot IDPA and you invest them with the power of deadly force to protect you, you personally have invested them with making decisions for you, in your name like power of attorney, to employ your rights to self defense.

Perhaps this reporter will get a strong lesson in how responsible people view the Second Amendments obligations and responsibilities.....I hope he truly comes to understand why it is such an awesome and necessary thing not to be abused or taken lightly.
Yes, the news company needs to be sued as well.
 
I know a lot/possibly all of what is in this is here already but I thought some was additionally informing...for what it’s worth.
Thought it filled a small gap in.
 
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The photo montage at bottom certainly doesn't appear like the shooter was grabbing for the guy's bear spray.

I note the location of the shooter's hands in the first pic, as well as the victim's posture (weight forward, not back as if he was pushed).
 
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As stated, shooter had a CCW and had since 2018. after being arrested, the sheriff in the county the permit was issued revoked the status.

As said by @Redmanss, Pinkerton security has a LONG history of being dirtbags. Hiring a a guy for this job through a secondary contractor agency appears to be just a way to collect some $ but attempt to insulate themselves from stuff like this.
Dude did not have appropriate paperwork/license to be 1. a security guard for pay in Denver and 2. carry an "armed" endorsement.

Dude is a leftist and a Bernie Bro who decided fighting armed for his beliefs was ok.

The pics and videos I have seen sure make it tough to see he followed the CO CCW laws.....
Someone else said that, I’ve been too busy working to comment or even look much into the case.
 
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Sooo, only the left has the right to peacefully protest
I agree.... the other observations I have with this shooter are these:

1.) he had to be fairly well heeled... the rig he was carrying was around $600 for the 19 MOS, another $400 for the Trijicon RMR and around $200 for the new compact Streamlight..
2.) he was carrying charged... from the photos there was no move to pull the slide to arm the chamber... he was a major accident waiting to happen, or he intended fast fast action...

carrying a charged chamber to a conflicted protest rally is, to me, evidence of intent... just waiting to be incited.. the guy needs fried but in Colorado not likely...

I hope he was not a USCCA member... if he was, then there has to be a cold decision made on that side regarding his defense
I totally disagree. I am armed 100% of the time In Condition 1, and I don’t intend to shoot anyone ever...till I do, then I am ready to shoot. IMHO if you are afraid to carry condition 1 you should probably carry a knife.
 
I agree.... the other observations I have with this shooter are these:

1.) he had to be fairly well heeled... the rig he was carrying was around $600 for the 19 MOS, another $400 for the Trijicon RMR and around $200 for the new compact Streamlight..
2.) he was carrying charged... from the photos there was no move to pull the slide to arm the chamber... he was a major accident waiting to happen, or he intended fast fast action...

carrying a charged chamber to a conflicted protest rally is, to me, evidence of intent... just waiting to be incited.. the guy needs fried but in Colorado not likely...

I hope he was not a USCCA member... if he was, then there has to be a cold decision made on that side regarding his defense
An unloaded gun is just a hammer. Carrying loaded does not show anything other than he was Experienced and knew how to carry.
 
Sooo, only the left has the right to peacefully protest

I totally disagree. I am armed 100% of the time In Condition 1, and I don’t intend to shoot anyone ever...till I do, then I am ready to shoot. IMHO if you are afraid to carry condition 1 you should probably carry a knife.
of course the choice to carry chambered is any individuals right... if you appendix carry and you use a Glock just be sure you don't turn yourself into a eunuch... and if you get into a hand to hand situation and have it taken from you, you just lost time to your disadvantage.... but, perhaps you have modified with the glock gadget.. still, without and external safety, I think it imprudent and self destructive... BUT.. to each his own... I would rather train to the safety side and be prepared without the risk
 


The photo montage at bottom certainly doesn't appear like the shooter was grabbing for the guy's bear spray.

I note the location of the shooter's hands in the first pic, as well as the victim's posture (weight forward, not back as if he was pushed).

A bitch slap is a good intro into a gun fight only if you follow through in one combination. Victim should have slapped, drawn and been ready to shoot before the bitch had a chance to recover.
 
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I disagree, unless you are walking into an active combat zone, where they are flying already... if practiced, chambering and unholstering can be combined just as fast... in this case no evidence of the two hands together before the sight picture
This is how I know you’ve never had any professional training.
 
I disagree, unless you are walking into an active combat zone, where they are flying already... if practiced, chambering and unholstering can be combined just as fast... in this case no evidence of the two hands together before the sight picture

That’s like saying you’ll have time to put your seatbelt on before the crash....
 
of course the choice to carry chambered is any individuals right... if you appendix carry and you use a Glock just be sure you don't turn yourself into a eunuch... and if you get into a hand to hand situation and have it taken from you, you just lost time to your disadvantage.... but, perhaps you have modified with the glock gadget.. still, without and external safety, I think it imprudent and self destructive... BUT.. to each his own... I would rather train to the safety side and be prepared without the risk
Because, yeah, the Marine Corps had us carry on an empty chamber when in indian country...not.

You gotta be smarter than the gear you're working on...
 
Because, yeah, the Marine Corps had us carry on an empty chamber when in indian country...not.

You gotta be smarter than the gear you're working on...
thats my point, and if you had read an earlier post of mine you have noted my agreement with your post .... difference is the definition of what "indian country" is and is not
 
I carry mouse-guns most of the time. LCP .380 and LC9S in a sticky in the pocket. LCP no safety, LC9S does have a thumb safety, which is set to safe. Even when I do carry a Glock I thumb fan off the Safety that isn’t there. Force of habit.

Lots of people think if you don’t have hi-cap mags and spares you’re not properly armed. Lots of people think .380 isn’t enough. Whatever.

You do whatever floats your boat, just know that plenty of people have been trained to carry condition 1, and thats not a new thing. I think Jeff Cooper first wrote about carrying a Government chambered and cocked, and it was he who coined the conditions of a sidearm. That has to be fifty years ago. He’s only been dead a short time.
 
oh but that is wrong... I have ... I just don't have a chest thumping "he man" ego and attitude about gun safety... I know my skills, know the value of a cool attitude regarding safety and employ and practice it religiously...
I want to know what professional training told you to carry with an empty chamber? Just out of curiosity.
 
thats my point, and if you had read an earlier post of mine you have noted my agreement with your post .... difference is the definition of what "indian country" is and is not
Did you watch the video in this very thread? This shit happens fast and anyone trying to chamber a round is going lose every fucking time. You might as well bring bear spray to a gunfight