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crapfest debate thread

Yes. Everything in those windmills and solar panels is made from/with petroleum products. Almost every item we use daily is the same way. Without the oil industry we would be living in the dark ages. And that's what they want-they'll be the royalty and we'll be the serfs/peons/slaves.

The blades have to be buried in landfills because they haven't been able to recycle them into any other products.
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trump was cut off when he mentioned the laptop, which i thought was bs, but moderator asked him about chinese bank account...

big double standard on that one imo.

laptop was an obvious trigger word to pull the plug.

but isnt it generally accepted fact that the laptop is genuine at this point?
 
The blades have to be buried in landfills because they haven't been able to recycle them into any other products.

Cropped out the photo to save space. But any meaningful reduction in the amount of CO2 emissions and reduction in fossil fuel use, without nuclear power, is a literal fantasy. The numbers don't work.

Furthermore look at the environmental damage from mining the rare earth elements needed to build and maintain those high efficiency solar panels. Meanwhile a good nuclear plant once built can theoretically run for a century producing a stable base load with 0 carbon emissions. These people don't actually care about science, REAL science, its all political pandering.
 
1) Solar is much more promising than wind IMO, but I'm a fan of the small "navy type" reactors being more prevalent. But solar still a LONG ways off and who knows what real environmental disaster other than rare-earth elements being harvested. Could it not actually cool the Earth's surface and cause the actual rain patterns to shift? Same with windmills. Has to cause some micro-effect on the overall environment and potential macro-effect on the local.

2) This "laptop from hell" - the only real way this is ever going to be clear is if that computer guy's friends post it ALL, uncensored, to a web link in a country not part of "the eyes." Then The People can see what the hell is going on in Their government - both dem-commie and repubicans. It's obvious we have people in office at the federal level who are out and out traitors.
 
What a jackass, that is one area of industry you don't mess with. I know most of the people here don't deal with chemicals but if you only knew the amount of chemical intermediates (building blocks) that come from the petrochemical industry. That "transition" would cause some serious issues very fast and would hit consumer wallets hard.
Yes sir. Plastics, fuel, oil, paints, solvents, pharmaceuticals, rubber, polymers, etc., the list goes on forever. You can touch anything that doesn’t have a tie to that industry.
 
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1) Solar is much more promising than wind IMO, but I'm a fan of the small "navy type" reactors being more prevalent. But solar still a LONG ways off and who knows what real environmental disaster other than rare-earth elements being harvested. Could it not actually cool the Earth's surface and cause the actual rain patterns to shift? Same with windmills. Has to cause some micro-effect on the overall environment and potential macro-effect on the local.

2) This "laptop from hell" - the only real way this is ever going to be clear is if that computer guy's friends post it ALL, uncensored, to a web link in a country not part of "the eyes." Then The People can see what the hell is going on in Their government - both dem-commie and repubicans. It's obvious we have people in office at the federal level who are out and out traitors.

There's so much cool new nuclear technology out there and so many walk away, and intrinsically safe designs it makes my heart break we're not embracing the modern miracle that nuclear power is. Its on the short list of things I truly love to share and educate people on.
 
1) Solar is much more promising than wind IMO, but I'm a fan of the small "navy type" reactors being more prevalent. But solar still a LONG ways off and who knows what real environmental disaster other than rare-earth elements being harvested. Could it not actually cool the Earth's surface and cause the actual rain patterns to shift? Same with windmills. Has to cause some micro-effect on the overall environment and potential macro-effect on the local.

2) This "laptop from hell" - the only real way this is ever going to be clear is if that computer guy's friends post it ALL, uncensored, to a web link in a country not part of "the eyes." Then The People can see what the hell is going on in Their government - both dem-commie and repubicans. It's obvious we have people in office at the federal level who are out and out traitors.
China knows about rare earth metals. Bet Pedo Joe does too
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The claims on windmill power were outrageous. I lived in Petersburg, WV for around a decade, before, during and after the windmills were built at Mt. Storm and ruined the skyline there. All the construction was sourced out of state. Not one local I ever met knew anyone hired to work on them. With my job I met a lot of people, so if there were it was not many. Also, the idea that they create $55/hr jobs is a pipedream. I am a P.E. with a large corporation and don't make anywhere near that. People would be lining up for those jobs up there if they existed.
 
I found it strange Biden thought it was an insult to Trump that Trump was trying to legitimize North Korea by starting a relationship with them. Biden said he would forcefully control them? I think it would be a good idea to have a president that traveled around championing freedom to other countries and tried to pull them into the 20th century, or at least the 19th with regard to N. Korea.
 
I guess you guys didn't stick around after they left the stage.
Why was there a laptop/iPad on Joe's podium?
I just watched a woman remove it.
Trump didn't have one.
@ 2:52:18 guy picks up a folder from Trumps podium and a woman walks to Bidens to retrive a folder from his. Is that what you are talking about? The coverage ends right after so I don't know what happened after that.
 
I found it strange Biden thought it was an insult to Trump that Trump was trying to legitimize North Korea by starting a relationship with them. Biden said he would forcefully control them? I think it would be a good idea to have a president that traveled around championing freedom to other countries and tried to pull them into the 20th century, or at least the 19th with regard to N. Korea.
That’s when Trump should of mentioned the pallets of cash to Iran.....
 
I personally couldn't give a rat's ass about wind energy or solar energy or carbon footprints, I came to see a corrupt old commie shill get a nursing home beatdown over that laptop. There was hardly any mention of it.

Why didn't Trump talk to Biden like he talked to Hillary, telling him he was going to appoint a special council to look into his bribery and connections to China and Ukraine? '...He sure made a lot of money somewhere.' is hardly the coupe de grace that laptop evidence was worth.

If Biden wins, at least half of America would then be caught with egg on it's face for putting a straight up criminal back in the White House.
 
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Trump won the debate hands down with three key points:

1. Biden would destroy the Oil industry -loosing the swing state of Pennsylvania.
2. Biden is says a lot of great things he will do but has a proven 47 track record of doing nothing except imprisoning minorities.
3. Trump nailed him on the money Biden has taken from foreign governments, undermining "honest" Joe's platinum character.

Biden is going to lose, IMHO.
 
I found it strange Biden thought it was an insult to Trump that Trump was trying to legitimize North Korea by starting a relationship with them. Biden said he would forcefully control them? I think it would be a good idea to have a president that traveled around championing freedom to other countries and tried to pull them into the 20th century, or at least the 19th with regard to N. Korea.
Here is where I think bias comes in. If Obama did this we would be screaming communism. I have to agree with Joe on this one. Obama was tough on NK and the sanctions did quite a number on the NK economy which heightened the threats coming out of NK.
Personally, I say fuck them in the ass with a pineapple and put those sanctions back in place.
 
God I wish I was there to bust him on the Windmills. Those turbine blades create a crap ton of waste as they are not biodegradable. They also cost a crap ton to maintain and fail under 5 years.
We love it when they randomly explode setting the sagebrush alight and starting massive wildfires.


All you need to understand windmills is take a look at the new midwest sky line at night......



Rode cross country 1991 - Big Sky

In 2014 - a blight across the land.

Going to be interesting to see how it goes when those foundations need to be recovered and the masts are at end of life.

Who will own that?

Landowner or power provider?

What if the provider no longer exists?
 
is it just me or did trump do better on the racial questions?

he seemed sincere and relatable. and, believeable.

imo, joe came off as a double talking, pandering politician, who has been in politics for nearly 50 years and crowning achievement was the biden crime bill.

Trump treats minorities as people.


Bedin only see them as a "special interest".
 
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Here is where I think bias comes in. If Obama did this we would be screaming communism. I have to agree with Joe on this one. Obama was tough on NK and the sanctions did quite a number on the NK economy which heightened the threats coming out of NK.
Personally, I say fuck them in the ass with a pineapple and put those sanctions back in place.


The sanctions have been toughened under Trump.

The Dems (Clinton) gave NK nuke power reactors.

The Clintons, Bush, Obama set a precedent of paying NK big money anytime the punk threw a shit fit. He has a tantrum we were his ATM.

Trump ended that.

You are nuts if you think Trump has not beat him like a drum while wearing the appearance of a velvet glove.

All sanctions are still in place, in fact tougher save Chinas porous border - Joe Bidens China, the reason fats is upset is that he thinks he has played nice and no sanctions have been eased.

Trump aint relieving the sanctions until he has access to the nuke facilities and can take apart any weaponized features.
 
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Uh, Joe said the exact same shit that Trump did. Straight up echo.

Joe “No Substance“ Biden. He didn’t answer the question any more than Trump did. They both know the virus dies a quick death after Nov. 3...
The 1142020 protocol will be released and everything will disappear.........if Droopy Joe (Kuntmala) make it over the finish line.
 
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The sanctions have been toughened under Trump.

The Dems (Clinton) gave NK nuke power reactors.

The Clintons, Bush, Obama set a precedent of paying NK big money anytime the punk threw a shit fit. He has a tantrum we were his ATM.

Trump ended that.

You are nuts if you think Trump has not beat him like a drum while wearing the appearance of a velvet glove.

All sanctions are still in place, in fact tougher save Chinas porous border - Joe Bidens China, the reason fats is upset is that he thinks he has played nice and no sanctions have been eased.

Trump aint relieving the sanctions until he has access to the nuke facilities and can take apart any weaponized features.
I'll do some more research but last time I checked NK couldn't hit the continental US and now they can. Maybe that facet was unavoidable due to Chinese support but I still see it as a stain on Trumps presidency.
In all honesty, no one really gives a shit about NK right now so it is a moot point.
 
Last time I checked NK couldn't hit the continental US and now they can.

Can they?

If they have the ability it came from China and I doubt China in its paranoia will do that. I question how "precise" even Chinas shit is.

When they spoke of striking Guam - perhaps in a massed barrage, but pinpoint?

Doesnt really matter with nukes - they follow the law of hand grenades and razor blades.

I think people discount the message of the Sulimani strike.

Despots dont want to be identified by their pinky rings.
 
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Can they?

If they have the ability it came from China and I doubt China in its paranoia will do that. I question how "precise" even Chinas shit is.

When they spoke of striking Guam - perhaps in a massed barrage, but pinpoint?

Doesnt really matter with nukes - they follow the law of hand grenades and razor blades.

I think people discount the message of the Sulimani strike.

Despots dont want to be identified by their pinky rings.
Intelligence reports say yes but who knows. It could just be fear mongering conjecture.
 
Intelligence reports say yes but who knows. It could just be fear mongering conjecture.




 



So whom do we believe?
 
Man, Drudge did a 180 a while back. Talk about a never trumper.
Used to check it all the time, now I haven’t been on drudge in months.
Fucking sucks. I’d visit and read a dozen articles every morning. Not as good as Drudge used to be, too many videos/bullshit, but this is the only substitute outside of RealClearPolitics I’ve found.
 
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So whom do we believe?
We assume the Norks can hit us. Any other assumption is stupid.
 
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So whom do we believe?


Dr Fauci.....
 
We assume the Norks can hit us. Any other assumption is stupid.

Agree. But what we are dealing with is political double-speak.

Remember the screeching that trump was going to start ww3 initiated with nk?

Its a damn if you do damn if...you know.

Imo, attempting some simple dialog while standing firm on baseline principles is a good approach. I am of the opinion that nk leaders want to stay alive, above all else, and certainly above their own people. im sure the strike on the iranian general opened some eyes...

Imo, Nk is going to pursue nuclear capabilities regardless.
 
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You want to hang with Biden and the Hollywood crowd or do you want these guys as your buds....

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Trump for the win....





Kid Rock - one of the few people who still stand up for themselves and put his money where his mouth is. His bar was closed down for refusing to follow the mask nazi guidelines.
 
Id like to clarify an earlier post.

I think Biden won the covid debate simply because it is inherently a no win situation for the incumbant. Its 100% arm chair QB syndrome.

The other issues were largely a wash (although i thought trump did excellent on racial issues). however, the reasoning is simple. A vast majority of people are going to determine the winner based on their own stance on the issues. Meaning, if you believe HC is a right, then biden won that. if you believe in solid borders and legal immigration, trump won that. There wasnt enough substance in either direction to sway beliefs that are so diametrically opposed.

Undecideds, who knows. Some will pull level for covid, others for hc, others for taxes, other for meh.

Watched the debate again today. I will say that although i believe biden did win (by not losing) he (if you inherently distrust politicians,) came across as exactly that...a career politician. His speaking into the camera (to me) felt forced, predetermined, contrived... and basically fake as fuck, but I also know I am biased, so what I think may not matter, eh.
 
An absolute shit ton of folks out early voting today. Parking lot that is usually empty is completely packed when the polls opened at 9:00am. Line of people completely encircle the entire parking lot. Lots of yoga pants, skinny jeans, but also guys wearing work boots standing next to their wives
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Biden is going to win. Tons of Biden signs here in Michigan
That sucks if true.

They propped up an old career crook that was the grandpa with Alzheimer's during the Democrat Party nominations that all the other candidates abused. Now they find out he and his sleazy son have committed high treason involving China and Ukraine. His VP pick did so poorly she dropped out.

And now they may dethrone possibly the greatest president since Washington. Yup, that sucks bigly.
 
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When they were mentioning the kids that they could not find the parents, my only thought is why weren't the parents actively trying to get their kids? I mean most normal people that have kids would not give up trying to get them back one would think. All of a sudden they can't find the parents that were released? I don't have kids, but if I did I don't think I could just bail on them and leave them in a "detention" center.

The windmills...there are thousands of them near Palm Springs here in CA. They have been there since the 80's. Most of the time you see maybe 30-40% working when the wind is blowing through the pass. Several are missing blades. Many or missing the heads. You can see grease or oil marks where the lubricants has run out to the ground. But it's clean renewable energy...
 
Biden say he has a plan. Doesn’t say what it is though.🤔
The Biden plan is to step down as President and Harris steps in with Negitive Nancy as VP. Then tape your face mask permanently on your ugly face. Then ship your ass to the re-education camps. Along with a forced vaccination. That’s there plan.
 
The claims on windmill power were outrageous. I lived in Petersburg, WV for around a decade, before, during and after the windmills were built at Mt. Storm and ruined the skyline there. All the construction was sourced out of state. Not one local I ever met knew anyone hired to work on them. With my job I met a lot of people, so if there were it was not many. Also, the idea that they create $55/hr jobs is a pipedream. I am a P.E. with a large corporation and don't make anywhere near that. People would be lining up for those jobs up there if they existed.

And those jobs are paid for by people that buy electric.

So everyone that pays for electricity has less money after idiotic solar and wind projects are created.


Same with other union projects. Those inflated wages come out of the regular persons pockets
 
Biden is going to win. Tons of Biden signs here in Michigan
That's what the liberals and media want you to think, so that conservatives will believe he has no chance and therefore won't go to vote, that's what a lot of the polls are targeted to do as well, and there were a ton of people 4 years ago who said the same thing you just said except replace the word Biden with Clinton, so go vote, regardless of which state you live in.