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Rifle Scopes New Bushnell FFP

Savage_Jake

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Whats the word with these new scopes? I am in the market for 2 new optics. One being for my 700 LTR .308 and the other for my Savage 111 .260 build.

The 700 will most likely get a Millett TRS-1 mil/mil.

The .260 however is going to be treat to a better scope. I was checking out the Bushnell and it has the features I am looking for at a good price. FFP, mil/mil (starting to figure out the mil-dot system. Helps being good at math
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), 24x, 30mm tube. I picked up an EGW 20moa base so the 45moa adjustment is not a problem. I only need up to 35 with the .260 to 1000yds.

So, if someone can chime in and let me know how these stack up, that would be great.

Bushnell FFP 6-24x50
 
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This one's at the top of my list as well, but I've yet to hear from anyone who's actually seen one. According to Bushnell's customer service folks they've been available for a couple weeks now.

It's either going to be this one or I'm going to wait for a Leupold 34mm mil/mil. (Nearly twice the money, so I'd like to be sure.)

Vortex is a possibility as well, but they're not out yet either.

So has anyone gotten hands on with the Bushnell yet or what?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This one's at the top of my list as well, but I've yet to hear from anyone who's actually seen one. According to Bushnell's customer service folks they've been available for a couple weeks now.

It's either going to be this one or I'm going to wait for a Leupold 34mm mil/mil. (Nearly twice the money, so I'd like to be sure.)

Vortex is a possibility as well, but they're not out yet either.

So has anyone gotten hands on with the Bushnell yet or what? </div></div>

Call Scott at Liberty, he has both of them in stock.

According to his report he likes the Bushnell Elite 4200 3-12x44 FFP MIL/MIL better than the 6-24x50.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eleaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This one's at the top of my list as well, but I've yet to hear from anyone who's actually seen one. According to Bushnell's customer service folks they've been available for a couple weeks now.

It's either going to be this one or I'm going to wait for a Leupold 34mm mil/mil. (Nearly twice the money, so I'd like to be sure.)

Vortex is a possibility as well, but they're not out yet either.

So has anyone gotten hands on with the Bushnell yet or what? </div></div>

Call Scott at Liberty, he has both of them in stock.

According to his report he likes the Bushnell Elite 4200 3-12x44 FFP MIL/MIL better than the 6-24x50.</div></div>

Where do I find his report?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Prairie Dog Dundee</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eleaf</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This one's at the top of my list as well, but I've yet to hear from anyone who's actually seen one. According to Bushnell's customer service folks they've been available for a couple weeks now.

It's either going to be this one or I'm going to wait for a Leupold 34mm mil/mil. (Nearly twice the money, so I'd like to be sure.)

Vortex is a possibility as well, but they're not out yet either.

So has anyone gotten hands on with the Bushnell yet or what? </div></div>

Call Scott at Liberty, he has both of them in stock.

According to his report he likes the Bushnell Elite 4200 3-12x44 FFP MIL/MIL better than the 6-24x50.</div></div>

Where do I find his report? </div></div>

There is that, but I should have said from a personal communication with him. That's what I really meant. Give Scott a ring or PM him. He'll answer anyquestions you might have.
 
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I spoke with Scott today about the Bushnells and he reiterated the thoughts expressed here. I'm about ready to pull the trigger on the 3-12, despite previously being set on the 6-24. I sure wish I could look through both of these before hand, but I probably don't need the 24x, and will probably be happier having the lower mag (3x) available. Scott was very helpful and I'll definately be buying from Liberty.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This one's at the top of my list as well, but I've yet to hear from anyone who's actually seen one. According to Bushnell's customer service folks they've been available for a couple weeks now.

It's either going to be this one or I'm going to wait for a Leupold 34mm mil/mil. (<span style="color: #CC0000">Nearly twice the money</span>, so I'd like to be sure.)

Vortex is a possibility as well, but they're not out yet either.

So has anyone gotten hands on with the Bushnell yet or what? </div></div>

Better make that three times the money . . .
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I spoke with Scott today about the Bushnells and he reiterated the thoughts expressed here. I'm about ready to pull the trigger on the 3-12, despite previously being set on the 6-24. I sure wish I could look through both of these before hand, but I probably don't need the 24x, and will probably be happier having the lower mag (3x) available. Scott was very helpful and I'll definately be buying from Liberty. </div></div>


Is there a problem with the 24x?

I ask because I will be shooting the .260 out to 1000+ yards and I need the extra magnification due to poor eyesight. I also like the idea of having a Bushnell FFP mil/mil scope. The illumination I could do without but its there if I need it.
 
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Well it sounds like tunneling may be an issue with the higher power as well as the usual extra-critical eye relief that comes with it. I bet its no worse than any other scope in that power range (and price range) but I'm starting to think the lower power will suit me better. If you're used to the higher mag scopes I bet you wouldn't go wrong with it, but we still haven't heard from anyone that's put one of these on a rifle and fired with it.
 
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Jake,

The problem with 24x, like all 24x Bushnell's is lack of elevation travel. I believe it has only 13 MILs of travel. That's 6.5 Mils up and down. Add the common 20 MOA base (which will give you 5.5 MILs) you now have 12 MILs up and 1 MIL down. That's pretty tight to get a 100 yd zero.

Actually a 10 or 15 MOA base would be a bit better. That would yield you either 9.2 MILs up or 10.6 MILs of up travel. That should work well on a 260 Rem, but not enough up for a 308 Winny to reach 1K.

And that's the problem.....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Better make that three times the money . . . </div></div>

Yeah thats what it sounds like unfortunately. The current gen leupold FFP's can be had for under 1500 but they're mil/moa. Sounds like the 34mm stuff is going to be damn expensive.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jake,

The problem with 24x, like all 24x Bushnell's is lack of elevation travel. I believe it has only 13 MILs of travel. That's 6.5 Mils up and down. Add the common 20 MOA base (which will give you 5.5 MILs) you now have 12 MILs up and 1 MIL down. That's pretty tight to get a 100 yd zero.

Actually a 10 or 15 MOA base would be a bit better. That would yield you either 9.2 MILs up or 10.6 MILs of up travel. That should work well on a 260 Rem, but not enough up for a 308 Winny to reach 1K.

And that's the problem..... </div></div>


Well I already bought an EGW 20moa base. I guess I'll wait for a report before I make a decision. I may look into the Vortex PST.

How important is the FFP? Should I pony up the extra bill for the FFP if I go the PST route?

Edit: I also cannot find any 10 or 15 moa bases for a Savage LA.
 
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I dont understand why Bushnell cant get more elevation out of its scopes, this has always been a crutch for them, the 6500 series has more elevation, you would have thought they would have used that turret system.
 
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I am looking forward to seeing one of these, I want something a little better than the Falcon I am using now.
 
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I have looked through a few bushnell 4200's and liked the glass, if I'm not mistaken I believe they have around 95% light transmission. I went with a different scope at the time because they did not offer FFP but if they had I would have gone with the bushnell.
 
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I picked up my Bushnell 6-24 FFP tonight. This is my first FFP and I am very new to the precision shooting world, but I will try to give an update when I can look through it in the daylight. I notice already that the illuminated reticule seems to be a bit brighter on the vertical axis, almost to the point of a blurr. I hope to be able to mount this before next weekend and get some range time with it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Savage_Jake</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have decided to go with the new Vortex PST 6-24x50 FFP EBR-1 MRAD Reticle. </div></div>

Let us know how this scope works out, interested in this model as well.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Savage_Jake</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobinNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Jake,

The problem with 24x, like all 24x Bushnell's is lack of elevation travel. I believe it has only 13 MILs of travel. That's 6.5 Mils up and down. Add the common 20 MOA base (which will give you 5.5 MILs) you now have 12 MILs up and 1 MIL down. That's pretty tight to get a 100 yd zero.

Actually a 10 or 15 MOA base would be a bit better. That would yield you either 9.2 MILs up or 10.6 MILs of up travel. That should work well on a 260 Rem, but not enough up for a 308 Winny to reach 1K.

And that's the problem..... </div></div>


Edit: I also cannot find any 10 or 15 moa bases for a Savage LA. </div></div>

Take a look at Ken Farrell Bases. Good stuff and they have a 10 and 15 moa base for Savage LA. Here is the link.

For pre 2003.
http://www.kenfarrell.com/scan/st=db/co=...tml?id=9JPWvpTB

For Post 2003 with Accutrigger.
http://www.kenfarrell.com/scan/fi=produc...0Top/op=eq.html
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: anothermartin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I picked up my Bushnell 6-24 FFP tonight. This is my first FFP and I am very new to the precision shooting world, but I will try to give an update when I can look through it in the daylight. I notice already that the illuminated reticule seems to be a bit brighter on the vertical axis, almost to the point of a blurr. I hope to be able to mount this before next weekend and get some range time with it. </div></div>

Hey does that scope have a zero stop capability?
 
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I received my Bushnell 6-24 FFP mil/mil today and mounted it on my AR-10T. I'll shoot it this weekend and let y'all know.
 
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4200 mil/mil FFP doesn't have zero stop, which is about the only thing I could wish for. Mine is as clear as a anything I've been able to look thru on the range (NF, Leu Mk4, etc.) and using it in the early mornings and evenings I have been impressed with the light gathering cap. I have an old Pentax 50mm that is like cheating when hunting at dawn or dusk. Almost like NV. And the Bushnell is easily its equal. No illum bleed thru on lower settings, either. Turrets are typical Bushy Tactical ... very solid, and shoots the box perfectly.

I wanted a PST but couldn't wait. Now I'm not sure what I would have gained by going with the Vortex over the Bushnell.
 
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I've got a FFP 3-12x44 on the way also. Always liked the 4200 line for their glass, so I'm hoping that this newest edition will gain my trust in their turrets. Will follow up also...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Captain Kick-Ass</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I received my Bushnell 6-24 FFP mil/mil today and mounted it on my AR-10T. I'll shoot it this weekend and let y'all know. </div></div>

I was reluctant to get the 6-24 because it only has 12 mils total elevation.Let us know how that turns out.Especially the glass.

Steve
 
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I just got mine in! That's the fastest shipping I've seen Scott,thanks.

Well the optics are pretty darn good.Clicks are nice.The scope is a good size,almost compact for a 3-12.No complaints.

As soon as the wind dies down this week I'll try it out.

Steve
 
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I am reall considering one of these as well. What do you think the chances are they will offer a MP 20 type reticle?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stickboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am reall considering one of these as well. What do you think the chances are they will offer a MP 20 type reticle? </div></div>

About 0. After talking with Bushnell about these scopes right when they came out I highly doubt you'll see anything but a standard mildot in them.

I got my hands on a 3-12 the other day and they are indeed very nice. I didn't buy it however, I do believe I'm set on a viper pst.
 
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Got my 3-12 FFP mil/mil today.

My initial thoughts are mostly positive.


Fit & Finnish-
No complaints in this dept.
It has some heft to it especially for its size. Hopefully that means thicker tube, strong internals, etc. The power ring, parralax adjustments, reticle focus ring, and illumination reostat all move very smooth.

Turrets-
Turrets are a nice size and have a nice feel to them. Clicks are positive and spaced apart nicely.

Glass-
Ive never been one to complain about 4200 glass, its generally very very good. This scope is no exception. No complaints about eye relief.

Reticle and Illumination-
Standard Mildot. Hard to mess that up.

Illumination reostat is similar to that on a Leupold MK4. The illumination is green. It has 10 settings. IMO, the last few settings are so bright they are nearly useless. I did not notice the "bleeding" that some others have noted.

The one thing Im not at all thrilled about is the eye box. It is very critical to be perfectly centered behind the scope in order to see the reticle as you should. When I start to get off center, it seems I can sorta start to see through the reticle. Go any farther and its gone all together. This only seems to happen at 10-12X. Lower than that I didnt really notice it.

 
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My buddy Tom Fuller (who works for Bushnell) shot the Bushnell 6-24FFP on a Barrett 98B .338 Lapua this year in the Snipershide Cup. He placed 10th (in his first sniper match ever) with it. Seemed to track perfectly as he got a first-round hit at 1000y with it on the first shot of the match.

I was really impressed by that scope. In fact, I just put a 3-12FFP on my new LR308.
 
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Yeah, well, I was there all week with Tom. It might have been his first match of that type, but he's had his hands on a rifle before. It wasn't his first rodeo. And he's done some shooting on a two-way range, too.

I wouldn't go so far as to call him a ringer - but it's close...
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The scope looks pretty good. It takes a while to shake out a new scope, and to see how it holds up.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 7mmRM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got my 3-12 FFP mil/mil today.................
The one thing Im not at all thrilled about is the eye box. It is very critical to be perfectly centered behind the scope in order to see the reticle as you should. When I start to get off center, it seems I can sorta start to see through the reticle. Go any farther and its gone all together. This only seems to happen at 10-12X. Lower than that I didnt really notice it.

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That's a bummer! I gotta say, if a scope has critical eye placement with a 3.6 exit pupil that's an interesting observation.
 
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Hasn't anyone done a write up on it yet (magazine etc)?

Also is it true the 3-12 only has 22mil total elevation from the very top to very bottom, and 24X has 13?

edit: not trying to insult you guys who are posting up your thoughts, just seems strange to me that I google for it and don't find anything. I would think some tactical-shooting whatever publication would've done a right up on it by now.
 
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Got to looking thru it more last evening. I and a few others noticed that the reticle seemed almost gray at 10-12x and that it seemed you could see through it. When we all looked at a large green sign with heavy white outline and sure enough you CAN see through the reticle. Has anyone else noticed this? I think I may have gotten a bad apple????
 
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I was having an issue with "losing" the reticle at times and had to adjust the eyepiece a lot. This may be the same thing you're seeing. I'll ask Deadly0311 to look through it tomorrow and see what he thinks. I thought it just needed correct head placement and eyepiece focus, but my experience with mildot scopes is limited. This may not be the norm.
 
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Have you tried to set the eyepiece, like was talked about in another thread. You turn the eyepiece all the way in and take the scope and look thru it into the clear blue sky. Now look away and back ever couple of seconds. Now start turning the eyepiece out until the crosshairs and in foucs and turn the lockring down and jam them up. Now it should stay focused thru the power range.

Someone correct me if I'm remembering the steps wrong.

But this should help.
 
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I adjusted the eyepiece till I was blue in the face. Nothing helped. Literally the reticle is somewhat transparent at 12x. The heavy outer bars are nice dark black, the reticle is not. When looking at the sign I mentioned above I could see the white outline inside the mil dots.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 7mmRM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I adjusted the eyepiece till I was blue in the face. Nothing helped. Literally the reticle is somewhat transparent at 12x. The heavy outer bars are nice dark black, the reticle is not. When looking at the sign I mentioned above I could see the white outline inside the mil dots. </div></div>

Do you have the eyepiece all the way in or out, or does adjusting the eyepiece have no effect at all? Because if it's one or the other than it's a screwup at the factory - I had this happen with a super sniper I owned.

If turning the eyepiece has zero effect on it then I would send it back to whomever you got it from.

I was seriously thinking of buying one of these, but if several people are having the same issue I'll wait for the Vortex PST.
 
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I set my eyepiece using the standard method. I was just having to twiddle with it some at longer ranges (400 - 600 yards) to ensure I didn't lose the reticule. Didn't know if that was normal or not. Where it's at now seems to work fine at all ranges. Didn't mess with it today at all. (100 - 400 yards)
 
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I'm waiting for an AR upper to come back so I put the Bushnell 3-12 on my 10-22 race rifle last night to check the turrets and reticle today to see if they matched up together at distance.

I sighted the 22 at 50Y and put all the data into my Horus ATRAG-MP program and started backing up to random distances then ranged the steel at each distance.I did this 5-6 times and stopped at a final distance of 200Y.

For each distance I'd dial first and fire,then come back to zero and use the mildot holdovers and fire a few more rounds to check.The clicks and reticle correlated perfectly.Not a official box test but OK so far.The scope was at the top of it's elevation when I reached 200Y so I dialed 4mils and held over 2 mils.I was missing the Horus reticles in some of my other scopes about then!I have to put the scope on a different rifle for more testing.

I didn't have problems with the reticle but I see what 7mmRM was talking about with the eyebox.Yep...you do have to line your eye up good.Well.... at least you don't have to worry about parallax problems to much
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I have to say I was impressed with the glass.Very good for a scope of this price!

So far I'd definitely buy another.

Bushnell??? If you put in a good mil based holdover reticle with sub-tensions that extend to the bottom of the reticle you'd have an even more fantastic scope for the money!

Steve

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lindy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I wouldn't go so far as to call him a ringer - but it's close...
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Hehe... You didn't think I brought him because he is such a nice guy did you?

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We checked the adjustments on mine Saturday and they were correct. Also had the more experienced guys look thru the scope and it was gtg. I think it just has a narrow range of positions from which it 'looks correct', which may not be a bad thing. For $629 I can't imagine a better deal.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 7mmRM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got my 3-12 FFP mil/mil today.

My initial thoughts are mostly positive.


Fit & Finnish-
No complaints in this dept.
It has some heft to it especially for its size. Hopefully that means thicker tube, strong internals, etc. The power ring, parralax adjustments, reticle focus ring, and illumination reostat all move very smooth.

Turrets-
Turrets are a nice size and have a nice feel to them. Clicks are positive and spaced apart nicely.

Glass-
Ive never been one to complain about 4200 glass, its generally very very good. This scope is no exception. No complaints about eye relief.

Reticle and Illumination-
Standard Mildot. Hard to mess that up.

Illumination reostat is similar to that on a Leupold MK4. The illumination is green. It has 10 settings. IMO, the last few settings are so bright they are nearly useless. I did not notice the "bleeding" that some others have noted.

The one thing Im not at all thrilled about is the eye box. It is very critical to be perfectly centered behind the scope in order to see the reticle as you should. When I start to get off center, it seems I can sorta start to see through the reticle. Go any farther and its gone all together. This only seems to happen at 10-12X. Lower than that I didnt really notice it.

</div></div>

Quoting 7mmRM, as my initial thoughts with the 3-12x44 FFP could almost be taken word for word from his accessment...

To briefly re-iterate from my angle:

Initial impression: SOLID feel out of the box.

Turrets: Very positive, NO mush! Ideally, I'd have liked a shorter, fatter turret with 10mil per turn, but that's just me nit picking...

Glass: Overall clear & bright, true to 4200s that I've owned. One exception to this is the glass bordering the reticle at 10X-12X power. Seems like any minimal head movement causes the image immediately surrounding the mildot portion of the reticle to become 'blurred' (on par with 7mmRM's eyebox description).

Reticle: Illumination only just <span style="font-style: italic">slightly</span> brighter on the vertical axis of the mildot. It is only evident to me at max magnification with the rheostat cranked beyond halfway UP.

Also, the above mentioned 'blurred' portion around the reticle is more evident with the illumination turned UP at above 10X magnification.

OVERALL:
I want to stress that these little 'issues' with the glass become increasingly LESS noticeable as the magnification is turned down. At 8X and below, the reticle and sight picture both appear crisp & clear. And illumination can be turned to a higher setting without any 'green bleeding'...

As for the sensitive eyebox characteristics above 10X, I'll need to determine whether it is really a problem after actually shooting through it a few times. Looking through an optic down suburban streets before & after dark can only tell ya so much...
 
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We plan on testing one of the Bushnell 3-12x44mm FFP scopes but we are more exited about the Vortex PST coming out soon. The reason I’m not so exited about it is due to the lack of reticle choices. I’m glad to see Bushnell is starting to do 1/10mil turrets.


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